Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 2

July 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 2, 2021.

Wikipedia:BOOK
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 23:19, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * BOOK → Wikipedia:WikiProject Books (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose a retarget to Books. This is the primary topic associated with this redirect. Even though Wikipedia books are deprecated for the most part, the page still provides information on what Wikipedia books were, and so the shortcut should link there. Aasim (talk) 23:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. This has 659 incoming links, as a result of a status quo that goes back 15 years. There's a strong reliance interest on backwards compatibility and on not astonishing editors who have relied on this shortcut for, plausibly, their entire lives, absent a very compelling reason to change. Linking to a software feature that I often forgot existed even before it was deprecated, and that in another 15 years will be as forgotten as the UseModWiki era, is not very compelling IMO. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 00:09, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:BOOK is an established shortcut, per above, while Books is in the process of deprecation. It wouldn't make sense to retarget there. (not watching, please )  czar  00:17, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per . We needn't retarget a longstanding shortcut to a page about a deprecated feature. 142.161.113.242 (talk) 04:10, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per everyone above. We should always be very cautious when retargetting shortcut redirects because the potential for harm is significant. In this case that harm is almost inevitable and the benefits of retargetting are very few, so keeping is very clearly in the best interests of the project. Thryduulf (talk) 22:48, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Hatnote points to Books so no issues -- Lenticel  ( talk ) 01:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
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8 FF
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 23:20, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * 8 FF → 56th Punjabi Rifles (Frontier Force) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems too ambiguous. &#8213; &#123;{u| Qwerfjkl }}  &#124; 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 20:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Mentioned and explained in the article. "Seems too ambiguous": with what? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Vague but not ambiguous.  Jay (Talk) 20:29, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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The Outcast (manga)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Outcast (manga)">The Outcast (manga) → Seven Seas Entertainment (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely search term, was created by Neelix who has a history with making questionable redirects. Link20XX (talk) 23:10, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Neelix has a history of making questionable redirects. He also has a history of making not-questionable redirects, and we deleted about 70,000 of the first group, making surviving ones more likely to fall into the second. In this case, The Outcast is mentioned at the target page, and given that a number of pages exist with that title, this is indeed the most plausible disambiguator—linked, I'll note, from the DAB page Outcast. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 00:00, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Tamzin, I thought we already went through all the Neelix redirects, so the ones that survive are generally valid. 01:54, 3 July 2021 (UTC) TOA The owner of all ☑️
 * Keep But slight retarget to Seven Seas Entertainment, which is where the subject is listed. --Ipatrol (talk) 05:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
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Bigo Barnett
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Aftermath of the 2021 United States Capitol attack. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:25, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Bigo Barnett → 2021 United States Capitol attack (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Richard &quot;Bigo&quot; Barnett">Richard "Bigo" Barnett → 2021 United States Capitol attack (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a duly sourced mention or other justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 17:47, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Who or what is Bigo Barnett?, and what relevance does it (or they) have to the article?Slatersteven (talk) 17:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. Richard "Bigo" Barnett is briefly mentioned in Aftermath of the 2021 United States Capitol attack, but that's it. Not notable, no need for redirect pages. — Chrisahn (talk) 18:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Also see Articles for deletion/Richard "Bigo" Barnett (closed 11 January 2021). Result: "Delete per WP:SNOW, no conclusion about the redirect". — Chrisahn (talk) 18:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Barnett's picture with his feet on Nancy Pelosi's desk was arguably one of the most iconic images of the attack on the capitol. Jacona (talk) 19:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as redirect to Aftermath of the 2021 United States Capitol attack, since he is mentioned there. The redirect isn't harmful. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Another Believer. With some of these there are WP:BLPCRIME concerns, e.g. if someone was just mentioned as "Local man arrested at Capitol", but in this case Barnett was the subject of substantial coverage and is, as Jacona said, one of the enduring images of the assault. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 20:04, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Also see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 27. Similar case. (Chwiesiuk may be less notable than Barnett though.) — Chrisahn (talk) 16:41, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * delete In case it was not clear.Slatersteven (talk) 12:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Given that your initial question has been answered, what's your rationale for deletion? -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 12:51, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Still, the same, they do not appear to be notable, so why have a redirect.Slatersteven (talk) 13:10, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ... but someone might still search his name... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Another Believer and Tamzin's rationales. --Bangalamania (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tamzin. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 02:40, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget While the person is obviously not notable enough for an article, their presence in an iconic photo warrants a redirect, just to a different target.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:50, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
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Judo at the Southeast Asian Games
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Judo at the Southeast Asian Games → International Judo Federation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Deletion. First, the redirection makes no sense. Second, it makes links in navboxes seem viable and therefor is misleading. Deancarmeli (talk) 13:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If this were to target something, it should be Southeast Asian Games or Southeast Asian Games sports. But it appears to be a notable topic, and would lead to a self-redirect at whichever of those two articles it were pointed to, so delete to encourage creation. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 04:45, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: to encourage article creation. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Brahmachari (actor)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Brahmachari (actor)">Brahmachari (actor) → Ek Nari Ek Brahmachari (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Inappropriate redirect of an actor to a film with the name in the title. Unsourced credit in cast list with circular link. noq (talk) 12:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete in favour of standalone article creation. He has acted in several movies, redirecting to just one is unfair.  Jay (Talk) 16:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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Ritu Vashisht
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Ritu Vashisht → Divya Drishti (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirects to the TV series she is in, where she is only mentioned in the cast list. MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete if this cannot be made a stub. She is in the recurring cast of Naamkarann as well, hence current redirect is not fair.  Jay (Talk) 16:26, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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Anisha Kapur
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Anisha Kapur → Ghar Ek Sapnaa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect to article with only an unsourced cast list. No significant coverage of this person and no sources about them. noq (talk) 10:08, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Added a citation for the subject's cast. If this is her only significant role, then it is non-ambiguous.  Jay (Talk) 16:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete if this cannot be made a stub. She is in the cast of Banoo Main Teri Dulhann as well, hence current redirect is not fair.  Jay (Talk) 04:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Puneet Vashisht
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 * The result of the discussion was deleted  by  per A1. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Puneet Vashisht → Josh (2000 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Recreated redirect for actor. Original redirect was to his brother, now redirecting to a film he was in (unsourced in the film article claim about most of his contribution being cut is only mention other than cast list). Same arguments as previous discussion apply. See Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_21 noq (talk) 09:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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Refugee Olympic Team
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 10%23Refugee Olympic Team

McAfee didn't Epstein himself
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Editors are split between keep and delete, and this discussion seems unlikely to benefit from a relist given the amount of participation thus far. signed,Rosguill talk 20:02, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * McAfee didn't Epstein himself → John McAfee (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I deleted this as an implausible misnomer, but insists that this is a useful search term. I have restored it and am posting it here for discussion. I'll note also that the term is not found in the target article and does not appear in any reliable sources. – bradv  🍁  06:49, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep My rationale as I explained to Bradv: it obviously wouldn't be found in a WP:RS, but Wikipedia has redirects for terms found in other types of sources. Such as U$C, or UNC-Raleigh. Similar to how U$C would be used as a satiric reference to USC, McAfee didn't Epstein himself is found such as at redbubble com/i/sticker/McAfee-didn-t-Epstein-himself-by-Borg219467/80995706.EJUG5, 9gag com/gag/arM8zXX, etc [The WP blacklist prevents me from listing the exact links]. As has been explained to me during redirect discussions at RfD, the idea of redirects such as McAfee didn't kill himself or McAfee didn't Epstein himself, is that if someone noticed that reference somewhere (even if on a shirt or in a meme) and they searched for it on Wikipedia, they should be directed to the relevant information. TOA The owner of all ☑️ 06:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep As silly as it is, has provided some examples of its usage (for the purpose of establishing a redirect's usefulness, those don't need to be in RS) which suggest it is a useful search term, so WP:R #3 and #5 are met. Moreover, I'm not seeing a valid WP:R reason in 's nomination. ―  Tartan357  Talk 07:13, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the target section cites WP:RS discussing comparison of McAfee's and Epstein's deaths, which seems sufficient even if this exact phrase doesn't appear at the target. However if that content were not in the target article (e.g. there is a future consensus among editors of that article to remove it), I would support deletion regardless of the fact that some non-WP:RS happen to use the phrase. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as long as Epstein is mentioned, per 61.239. Tag with r from non-neutral term and r from phrase. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 01:01, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia requires reliable sources. 9gag, err, isn't. We don't need redirects for transient slang. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:51, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:RS applies to content.  When it comes to plausibility, unreliable sources that use a term are a good resource, since all we need to show is that a term is used.  Nyttend backup (talk) 21:50, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete, this feels like a pop culture/meme term that, while maybe worth mentioning within an article, I don't think warrants a redirect unless there's wider coverage of it outside of people making memes and putting it on shirts. I'm not sure I buy that people are typing the text of random shirts or memes into Wikipedia either. I'd think that'd be more of a KnowYourMeme or Urban Dictionary thing. /Tpdwkouaa (talk) 22:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Relatively plausible redirect, and has some mentions.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Reason number 3. From RNEUTRAL: "The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion." Without attestation that this is an "established term", its strong non-neutrality tips against its inclusion. --Ipatrol (talk) 05:14, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. If the meme is not mentioned at the target then I see no reason why we should keep this. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This looks more like an internet meme than a predictable search term on Wikipedia. If a reader knows the person's name is "John McAfee", why wouldn't they just search for his name instead of using this contrived expression? Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:29, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, of course. Not an established phrase, unlikely search term, far from neutral. There are thousands of phrases people could come up with to spread conspiracy theories about McAfee's death, e.g. McAfee didn't suicide himself or $WHACKD (based on his own wording). No source supports the claim that this phrase is more common than thousands of others. Google searches for "" or "" don't bring up the phrase. When I start typing "McAfee didn't", Google suggests McAfee didn't uninstall himself, which seems to be more common than the "Epstein" version and has the advantage of being funny, but it isn't an established phrase – and thus doesn't warrant a redirect – either. — Chrisahn (talk) 10:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
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California attack
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:14, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * California attack → 2015 San Bernardino attack (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Clearly, this is far from the only notable attack that has happened in California. Crossover1370 (talk &#124; contribs) 05:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate: I'd create List of terrorist incidents in California and retarget this redirect to it. ― Tartan357  Talk 07:18, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Far too vague to be useful. Dimadick (talk) 07:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Dimadick. Not all attacks are terrorist-related so Tartan357's suggestion would also be too narrow. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Many attacks in California. If a suitable target article is created, then redirect there. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for vagueness. In theory I'm open to re-creation if a suitable article emerges, but I can't imagine what article would cover every kind of "attack" to take place in California. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 01:05, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – Way too ambiguous. 142.161.113.242 (talk) 04:11, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as ambiguous and likely to be confusing (until writes their list article). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:56, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of shootings in California. Probably Tartan's proposed list is a better target, but as long as it's a red link, we ought to send this to the shootings list instead of deleting.  Nyttend backup (talk) 21:52, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Not all attacks are shootings, e.g. Preparedness Day Bombing, so that target is too narrow. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - If there's no list article that encompasses all "attacks" in California, however that would be defined, then there's no reason for this redirect to exist and link to just one. Not sure this works as a likely search term, either. /Tpdwkouaa (talk) 22:40, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppose that in theory we could have a list of lists of attacks in California linking to List of shootings in California, List of terrorist incidents in California, List of bombings in California, List of poisonings in California, etc, etc, etc. but we'd first need those lists and I haven't any idea how many are viable. Thryduulf (talk) 11:21, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Just too vague.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
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