Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 18

June 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 18, 2021.

National TV
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete , WP:G8. I hope this won't be seen as too much of a cop-out. No prejudice against... well, any normal editorial action. --BDD (talk) 15:02, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * National TV → Centrul Național Media (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think this title is too generic to redirect to a specific channel. Incoming links agree. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per WP:XY and WP:RFD. I can see equal rationale to retarget this to either state media or public broadcasting, which are related but not the same thing at all. Search results would be better here. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete unless there are better alternatives. The redirect was acceptable until it's target was Național TV. Jay (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hatnote per Ivan's demonstration as long as state media and public broadcasting are the only potential topics. Delete if hatnote is not feasible.  - Jay Talk 20:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of television networks by country and let the reader take his pick.  Jay (Talk) 15:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep (revised !vote) - I didn't know about the title Jay just referred to, but this is a valid R without diacritics to that title. A hatnote could be added there referring to both state media and public broadcasting, in which case that treatment is better than search results. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:00, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I added a hatnote as demonstration. If this discussion produces a different result, it can be removed. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * How about a DAB? Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If these are the only potential topics then the hatnote does the job just fine, but if there are other topics which might be called "National TV" then sure. I'm not aware of any that aren't partial title matches but I also didn't look very hard - I assumed if a title as generic as this merited disambiguation then it would have already been done. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:50, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is, for example, National Broadcasting of Guinea-Bissau, but that is not a television broadcaster. Category:Television stations and Category:Television networks are container categories with many sub-levels and I don't have time to go through them all just now. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:55, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Comment: Not to the throw a wrench in the discussion, but, uh… I've nominated Centrul Național Media for deletion for apparent lack of notability. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If the target is deleted in the Afd, we also have National Television Network of Australia and DD National of India.  - Jay (Talk) 19:10, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * We have National TVs in several countries, and instead of creating a list index, use the existing list page I suggested in my vote above.  Jay (Talk) 15:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * If target is kept: Keep and hatnote. If target is deleted (which, full disclosure, I've !voted in favor of): Retarget to public broadcasting (although I wouldn't strongly object to state media instead). -- Tamzin (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 09:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Target has now been deleted. I stand by retargeting. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 11:35, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate (revised !vote, again) between public broadcasting and state media, and perhaps also Nine Network (which was formerly "National Television Network"). I'm opposed to retargeting to List of television networks by country, that list is not a list of national broadcasters but a list of all television stations sorted by country regardless of their scope. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 19:01, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate it's a reasonable search term but there it is very ambiguous. signed,Rosguill talk 05:05, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * I don't think speedy deletion was valid here. Speedy deletion is meant to be used when it's apparent that nobody could reasonably object or the outcome is obvious, but all of the delete comments here had been removed or revised, and there was active discussion about what to do with the redirect with full knowledge that its previous target had been deleted, none of those comments endorsing deletion. I have created a disambiguation page at the former title, I would appreciate if you would undelete and merge the history. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I was just looking at a likely no consensus outcome and thought we could consider it fresh. Do you really want a histmerge, though? The entirety of the history was as a redirect, with a couple of double redirect fixes before this RfD. Nothing significant. I can do it, or wouldn't object to you doing so with your main account... --BDD (talk) 17:55, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I should have said "if you think it needs to be done". I trust your judgement ;) Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 19:01, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Nah, nothing important there. --BDD (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Monatomic
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 05:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Monatomic → Monatomic gas (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think this target is a bit too narrow, given the existence of Monatomic ion, Atomicity (chemistry) and possibly other pages too (especially if something gets written about the pseudoscience use as a result of the discussion below). I think retargetting to Atomicity (chemistry), which does a good job of explaining the concept in the lead would be better than the status quo, but this really isn't my area of expertise. If this is retargetted the link in the table will need changing so it doesn't become circular. Thryduulf (talk) 23:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep. The current target seems appropriate to me. Monatomic gases are the most significant topic having to do with "monatomic" in chemistry and thermodynamics, and it's also what most incoming links intend. It's similar to Diatomic → Diatomic molecule. "Gas" may make it sound more limited than "molecule", but it's the same level of generality. "Gas" makes sense in the name because it avoids the name "monatomic molecule" which is self-contradictory according to some definitions of "molecule", and because in the monatomic case they all turn out to be gases. Adumbrativus (talk) 05:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Comment Not sure what to do here. My first inkling is to delete these R from adjective redirects and rely upon search results to let readers choose the appropriate topic (e.g., monatomic gas or monatomic ion). But, I'm probably in the minority there, and I see merit both in keeping or retargeting to atomicity (chemistry). If retargeted, all analogous redirects should be treated similarly (diatomic, triatomic, polyatomic, and so on). I will note that the similar set of redirects for the related topic, Valence (chemistry), are treated a bit differently: monovalent targets the disambiguation page monovalence, divalent and trivalent target valence (chemistry) (analogous to targeting the broader article like Atomicity (chemistry), and polyvalent is relates to a somewhat separate topic. So perhaps there is benefit in some mixture of disambiguating/targeting a broader article as opposed to treating these as simple primary redirects. Monoatomic in particular could be disambiguated. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:47, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:RSCASTE
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WP:IMAGENAZI
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * WP:IMAGENAZI → WP:AAFFD (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Offensive and no longer needed. Please see the discussion at WT:Arguments to avoid in image deletion discussions. I'm embarrassed to say that I created it, and am the only person to have edited it, a decade ago, and no longer remember what I was thinking. (Maybe a reference to the Seinfeld joke about The Soup Nazi.) In any case, it should be deleted. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:59, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nom. I started the discussion about this on the talk page last year, and I probably should've just been bold at the time or followed though better myself when nobody responded instead of waiting more than a year to do so. FWIW, I get the reference to "Soup Nazi" and realize adding "Nazi" to words was a popular thing to do back in the day (mainly due to the popularity of Seinfeld); I just don't think it's probably something that still should be being done on Wikipedia since not everyone is likely to see the humor in it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:24, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. It hs gone out of use and is seen in old discussions only. Not more than 3 pageviews at any time.  - Jay (Talk) 05:21, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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Exploding Head Syndrome
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Exploding head syndrome. (Normal practice to redirect to alternative capitalisation). (non-admin closure) &#8213;  Qwerfjkl  &#124; 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use&#32; on reply) 20:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Exploding Head Syndrome → The Telescopes (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's the name of an album released in 2019, but it's also an actual health syndrome. Keep, retarget or disambiguate? Colgatepony234 (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Exploding head syndrome. If the only difference is capitalisation, normal practice is to target the otherwise matching title even if there are other titular uses; see Moveable Feast, Movement Disorders, many other examples. I just created Exploding Head Syndrome (album). UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:50, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget. The counterargument here would be WP:DIFFCAPS, but that policy is at its weakest when it's just a sentence case vs. title case thing. And medical conditions are sometimes rendered in title case, so it's even weaker here. -- Tamzin (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 00:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the above. A hatnote can be added to the album. Thryduulf (talk) 11:32, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Exploding head syndrome and hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:06, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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Move in the Right Direction(Gossip song)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Move in the Right Direction(Gossip song)">Move in the Right Direction(Gossip song) → Move in the Right Direction (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB: spacing error. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:55, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per WP:R3 &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Not recently created, so R3 does not apply, unfortunately. UnitedStatesian (talk)
 * Delete per nom. Why do we still need this leftover from a move about a minute after the target's creation when we have the correctly formatted Move in the Right Direction (Gossip song)? Regards, SONIC  678  23:21, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
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Cmaj9
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Ninth chord and add a hatnote on the °Cmaj9 article. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:11, 25 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Cmaj9 → °Cmaj9 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retarget to ninth chord. Readers are probably looking for the chord, not the album. 122.60.71.65 (talk) 09:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom, with hatnote. <b style="color:black">Vaticidal</b><b style="color:#66023C">prophet</b> 11:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: my concern is that if it gets retargeted, there's basically no way to search for °Cmaj9 anymore, since no one is going to type a degree sign into the search bar. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. A hatnote can be added at ninth chord, linking to °Cmaj9. Redirects 0Cmaj9 and oCmaj9 can also be created.122.60.71.65 (talk) 21:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget with hat per Vat, although with sympathy to Jochem van Hees's point. I've created the redirects that 122.60 suggests, as well as . Hopefully that will help a bit. The truth is, though, sometimes there's just no way to give every reader what they're looking for on the first click. -- Tamzin (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 09:41, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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Future Eurovision events
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  11:10, 25 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2022 → Junior Eurovision Song Contest (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Eurovision Song Contest 2023 → Eurovision Song Contest (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete; unnecessary redirects about future events. No one looking for info about specifically these events wants to go to the main (J)ESC page. Similar past discussions had the same result (1, 2, 3). &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 08:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TOOSOON. We don't have any information about these events that I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 11:44, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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Pac-Mania (1987 video game)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 04:10, 25 June 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Pac-Mania (1987 video game)">Pac-Mania (1987 video game) → Pac-Mania (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary disambiguation as there are no other articles named "Pac-Mania", "Pac Mania" or "Pacmania" on Wikipedia any more and probably will never be either. Only incoming links are from two IP user talk pages. Delete this. J I P &#124; Talk 14:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete as no other titles this could be confused with. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. r from unnecessary disambiguations are valid, and there's no requirement that they be for a title where ambiguity is likely. There's no downside to keeping these, especially given that any term could become ambiguous in the future. While I can't say I'd encourage anyone to create redirects like these, redirects are cheap. -- Tamzin (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 17:32, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tazmin and WP:CHEAP. Although it's an R from unnecessary disambiguation, it isn't really hurting anything here. Regards, SONIC  678  02:09, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Tamzin. Unnecessary disambiguation is never a reason on it's own to delete a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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Bandle City
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request undeletion of these articles .  ✗  plicit  00:32, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Bandle City → League of Legends (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Demacia → League of Legends (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Freljord → League of Legends (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Icathia → League of Legends (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Shadow Isles → League of Legends (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Shurima → League of Legends (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Vastaya → League of Legends (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

None of these fictional locations are discussed at League of Legends, and at best they have only passing mentions at other articles. None of the passing mentions would make good redirect targets, so I propose that we delete all of these. I have withdrawn the nomination of and  as they are mentioned at League of Legends. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:08, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Special:Search/~"Bandle City": no mentions
 * Special:Search/~Demacia: this one has the most mentions, but still none of them make good targets:
 * More than a dozen mentions in the phrase Demacia Cup or Demacia Championship (League of Legends tournaments, themselves only mentioned on pages of competitors but not at any location that would make a good target for those redlinks)
 * In character epithets such as "The Might of Demacia", "The Seneschal of Demacia" , "Demacia's Wings" (, but none of these characters themselves have any good redirect target
 * At Graham McNeill, an author who writes fiction set in Demacia
 * At List of fantasy worlds, but that mention itself just links right back to the redirect and doesn't point readers to any further information within Wikipedia, so it should be removed
 * Special:Search/~Freljord: mentioned at the page of voice actor JB Blanc, composer Anne-Kathrin Dern, and in a citation title at list of League of Legends media
 * Special:Search/~Icathia: mentioned only at list of fiction employing parallel universes, but that mention itself just links right back to the redirect and doesn't point readers to any further information within Wikipedia, so it should be removed
 * Special:Search/~"Shadow Isles": only mentioned at list of fantasy worlds, but that mention itself just links right back to the redirect and doesn't point readers to any further information within Wikipedia, so it should be removed
 * Special:Search/~Shurima: only mentioned at Legends of Runeterra, one of several League of Legends spinoff products in which it is featured
 * Special:Search/~Vastaya: no mentions at all in English Wikipedia

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Wikipedia:NR
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Bolsovirus
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Bolsovirus → Jair Bolsonaro (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Non-neutral term not mentioned in the target, or anywhere else. Possible attack page. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:08, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Short-lived (I assume) nickname given by his opponents. Here and here. Delete in the absence of any mention.  - Jay (Talk) 03:03, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Don't seem to be relevant. Coltsfan (talk) 15:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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