Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 22

June 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 22, 2021.

Frass valley
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Frass valley → Sideways (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Originally created in 2006 as a stub about a fictional location in the film Sideways, it got turned into a redirect the following year. There doesn't appear to be any content about it on Wikipedia. – Uanfala (talk) 21:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. A fictional winery from one scene in a film that is barely mentioned at the parent article need not have a redirect. It's been a while since I've seen the film, but according to the article and a Google search the winery is actually "Frass Canyon". Normally I would argue to restore the stub and send to AfD to be procedurally correct in addressing the issue, but an incorrect name for a trivial fictional topic seems like a clear case for deletion. Obviously, if kept it should target the article about the film directly and not the disambiguation page. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
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مسیحا
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 30%23مسیحا

مسیح
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 30%23مسیح

Heuristic search
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Heuristic (computer science) and delete, respectively. I'll tag the former with R with possibilities, since there's clearly agreement that a standalone article is practical and desirable. --BDD (talk) 15:29, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Heuristic search → Heuristic (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * HEURISTIC SEARCH → Heuristic (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  Added. Biogeographist (talk) 00:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Sbalfour indicates that this redirect is not appropriate in edit summaries (it is not appropriate to redirect to that page. There is no appropriate page, no article, not even an appropriate article#section. The encyclopedia has a hole. DO NOT RESTORE!, it can't go there) then, changed the target to hunting from Heuristic without explaning the rationale. I'm unclear how this is a better topic and have noted that the user's talk page, but I think a discussion for consensus is warranted. Heuristic (computer science) may be a better target, as it states that A heuristic function, also simply called a heuristic, is a function that ranks alternatives in search algorithms. If that was the intended purpose of this redirect, perhaps it should be retitled to Heuristc (search). —Ost (talk) 19:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Currently the most appropriate redirect target appears to be the section, but on the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if Heuristic (computer science) needs a major reorganization, so there may be some validity to 's complaint that there is currently no appropriate redirect target, but I bet that could be fixed with some reorganization and rewriting of Heuristic (computer science). A search of the encyclopedia shows that there are mentions of "heuristic search" in very many articles, so this is very much an underused (i.e. underlinked) redirect, so no retitling is needed (contra 's final suggestion) but rather more linking to the current redirect. As an aside, see also the redirects HEURISTIC SEARCH (!?) and Pure heuristic search and the sections and . Biogeographist (talk) 20:33, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to chime in because I'm used to being a target as well as a shot. I searched the encyclopedia for a redirect, and concluded that the best result is to delete the page. We belch at deleting anything, and require an admin to delete an irrelevant page (blech!). Heuristic search is a broad and vague topic, and I could write that article (it's been my field for 27 years), but I'm not interested. It gets very technical very quick. The simple (wictionary-type) definition is that it's a rule of thumb that generally yields a relatively usable result within limited time and resource constraints. It's not quite the same as a mathematical approximation; a usable result can be quite exact - it's parameterized (or constrained) and within the parameters, it is exact. It occurs most often in a computer software context, subtext computer game trees, most references are with respect to common games like chess, checkers othello, go, connect-4. Sbalfour (talk) 23:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Deleting the page is different from blanking it; you blanked it. As WP:PAGEBLANKING says, "If you want a page to be deleted, don't blank that page; instead, request for deletion." If you think the redirect should be deleted, you should !vote to delete here. Biogeographist (talk) 00:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete HEURISTIC SEARCH as an unnecessary alternative capitalization. Biogeographist (talk) 00:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget Heuristic search to for now, with possibilities for reorganization of Heuristic (computer science). Notice that whole books have been written on heuristic search so it seems implausible that there is no place for it in the encyclopedia. Biogeographist (talk) 12:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget Heuristic search to . It is a perfectly valid term, and a useful (even if it needs more development) target.  I do agree with Sbalfour to the extent that they indicate that a whole article could usefully be written just about heuristic searches.    --Bejnar (talk) 12:04, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete HEURISTIC SEARCH, neutral on the other. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:46, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
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Academy 360 Cougars
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 29%23Academy 360 Cougars

PornTube
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * PornTube → Amateur pornography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target; while PornTube is presumably a site that hosts a lot of amateur pornography, unless it's discussed at the target I think this redirect should be deleted. signed,Rosguill talk 15:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to internet pornography. I don't recall if PornTube is or was an actual website, but it's close enough to the name of several extant ones that we should provide some target for this term. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 19:56, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete PornTube is a live website but it is not mentioned anywhere in article-space that I can find, and most mentions in project space are using it as a generic representative of the type of site (e.g. "PornTube-type sites") rather then referencing it specifically. Thryduulf (talk) 13:05, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Enwiki seems to have nothing about it specifically. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
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Crandall High School
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  03:51, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Crandall High School → Crandall, Texas (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The High School is not mentioned at the target, and given that there are other places called Crandall (see Crandall (disambiguation)) this redirect is ambiguous and likely to cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:44, 15 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. The school, with others, was mentioned in the target until March 2017, when a user without explanation. I have added them back.  - Jay (Talk) 18:26, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Search results show a few articles that mention Crandall High School, and they all appear to refer to this school. This originally was a redirect to Crandall Independent School District, which was WP:BLARed last year. If the school district article isn't reinstated, the current target is probably our best option. - Eureka Lott 20:57, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jay. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jay. Should there be multiples, then make sure the school is mentioned at the target articles. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep now that mention of the school is once again made in the target article. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep for now as the only Crandall High School which is mentioned. Disambiguate in the future if any of the others get mentioned too (e.g. there's one in Jamaica too that closed in the 1990s). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:41, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
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Molecular ion
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 29%23Molecular ion

Canon of Colorado
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 29%23Canon of Colorado

Great Colorado Canyon
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  03:53, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Great Colorado Canyon → Grand Canyon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This does not appear to be an accepted alternative name for the target and is not mentioned in the article. While top google results are for the Grand Canyon, the term is ambiguous and could be confused with Colorado Canyon which was just addressed in a recent RfD. I suggest deletion unless citations can be added to the target to support its use as an alternative name. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. The uses I see in DuckDuckGo are from non-native speakers of English. "Great Colorado Canyon" is a straightforward translation (if not idiomatic) of Gran Cañón del Colorado. Perhaps it could be useful as a redirection for links made by non-natives. --Error (talk) 08:13, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Is there some R template to mark it as a form that should be substituted with the target? --Error (talk) 14:27, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't the most direct translation then be Great Canyon of the Colorado? The translation argument is a bit of stretch for me, but I am fine keeping it if others find it useful and don't think it's ambiguous. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably I created the redirect because I was surprised that the article was not there and I wanted to help others (or myself) who did not remember the proper English name. --Error (talk) 00:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per Error. It gets some use (110 hits last year) and is unambiguous so deletion will bring no benefits but might make it harder for people to find what they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Error. Given the translation from Spanish, I'd only be concerned if this were used to refer to something else in English. doesn't retrieve much, but it's almost all Grand Canyon. Finding a scholarly citation in an English-language university publication (link) sealed it for me. --BDD (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
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IPhone (13th generation)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  03:55, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="IPhone (13th generation)">IPhone (13th generation) → List of iOS and iPadOS devices (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not discussed in target, WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL. Naming it the thirteenth generation may be skipped because of Triskaidekaphobia, but it is not for us to predict. It is also completely possible that there is no iPhone released this year because of the global shortages. Regardless, this redirect is pointed at an article that cannot discuss this because we are not a crystal ball. Aasim (talk) 01:15, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, not plausible as a search term nor can this be a disambiguator for a single phone. It's not WP:CRYSTAL because the 13th generation has been released, but it includes the iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro, iPhone 11 Pro Max, and the iPhone SE 2. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the table at the current target lists generations up till 14, so does not appear to be WP:CRYSTAL. This also seems as reasonable a redirect, as it appears we have redirects for the other generations, with some (e.g., iPhone (12th generation)) also going to this target. An alternative target could be iPhone naming, but generations aren't currently detailed there. A SIA could also be created to to direct users to the list compiled by Tavix, but the table at the original target effectively does that. —Ost (talk) 16:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep With respect, the nominator is incorrect on both the lack of mention and CRYSTAL, as have been addressed above. Thus, I see no compelling reason to delete. --BDD (talk) 20:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ost. Thryduulf (talk) 16:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
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