Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 30

June 30
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 30, 2021.

Interdenominational
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Non-denominational. A late suggestion for deletion was not discussed by most participants, but it's clear that corecting the inconsistency is an unambiguous improvement. signed,Rosguill talk 22:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Interdenominational → ecumenism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Inter-denominational → Non-denominational (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Interdenominationally → Non-denominational (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Interdenominationalism → Non-denominational (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Non-denominational. Most of the 159 incoming links deal with individual organizations (most of them Christian) who consider themselves to be beyond traditional denomination borders, not with  relations  between people and organizations from  different  faiths and denominations, which is the subject of ecumenism. An alternate target may be Nondenominational Christianity. However, article Non-denominational gives a clear definition of these non/inter/trans-denominational organizations and pointers to more specific targets for Christian, Muslim and Jewish contexts, as the term is not Christian per se. Place Clichy (talk) 07:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  12:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. Agree that current target is not appropriate. But I still need convincing on the proposed target, which is a stub. I did not go through the 159 incoming links, but can the nominator list some of them that are NOT Christian-related? Also a Google search for Interdenominational does not give any non-Christian results. Incidentally, one of the first results is the question "Is interdenominational the same as non denominational?", and although the answers are personal opinions from quora.com, the answer is No.  Jay (Talk) 20:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * (answered after relisting) I agree that this terms seems to be used mostly within Christianity, and even within Evangelical Protestantism. The reason why I suggested Non-denominational rather than Nondenominational Christianity as a target is that the term itself does not imply Christianity (as for non-denominational). Main dictionaries usually say this applies to different faiths without citing Christianity: Oxford, Merriam Webster. I didn't go through all incoming links either, but St George's Interdenominational Chapel, Heathrow Airport and are examples of institutions whose interdenominational character explicitly extends to Jews and/or Muslims (plus of course there's Trans- and post-denominational Judaism). This term seems to be used chiefly for and by Christian organizations claiming to be above denominations, but is not exclusive.
 * Ideally, we would redirect to non-denominational but correct links that are specifically Christian to Nondenominational Christianity, which in both cases are better targets than current ecumenism. I'll do it if this nomination is accepted. Place Clichy (talk) 13:43, 25 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: My second and third results when searching "interdenominational" on Google are ministry pages claiming that an interdenominational organization incorporates doctrine or practice from multiple traditions. So, not necessarily the same thing as non-denominational, but it is a related phenomenon. I agree that I'm not seeing any non-Christian results. So I'm not really sure what to do with this one. I think both Non-denominational and Nondenominational Christian are acceptable targets, and I would also be okay with deleting. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 12:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: The outcome of this Rfd should be consistent with the hyphenated redirect Inter-denominational as well.  Jay (Talk) 15:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course. This currently redirects to . Place Clichy (talk) 13:43, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Bundled. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:37, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Bundled Interdenominationally and Interdenominationalism as well.  Jay (Talk) 16:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Remember to tag the redirects when bundling.  I've taken care of these two.  -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 03:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The hyphenated counterpart of this redirect was added late to the discussion, so relisting one more time.

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 * Comment. See the 2011 AfD for Interdenominationalism which resulted in the redirect to Interfaith dialog.  Jay (Talk) 16:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * While there are several articles mentioning Interdenominational, I did not find an article saying what it is or stands for at a broad level. There are no reliable sources (including te dictionary definitions provided by nom) equating interdenominational with non-denominational, hence Christian or non-Christian, I don't see a connect between the "inter-" and "non-" terms. Nor do I see benefit in retargeting to a generic article like Religious denomination. Delete all per WP:R as creating confusion by targeting "inter" (inclusive) to "non" (exclusive).  Jay (Talk) 21:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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Bevin Maskey
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:34, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Bevin Maskey → List of One Tree Hill characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Page is an implausible misspelling of the character name, Bevin Mirskey. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 16:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * To be clear, I propose deletion of the redirect - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 13:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Delete - not mentioned at target, and not a likely misspelling. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  19:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * delete unlikely misspelling -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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Deutschland Airlines
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete all.  Qwerfjkl There was no need to relist this one, consensus is clear. Thryduulf (talk) 19:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Deutschland Airlines → List of airlines of Germany (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Deutschland Airways → List of airlines of Germany (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Air Deutschland → List of airlines of Germany (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Similar to the 2 at, but a slightly less implausible set of search terms, so listing separately. These three were initially targeted to Lufthansa, but Rosguill retargeted them to List of airlines of Germany, which is a better target for sure, but I'm not convinced that any of these is a plausible search term. I would expect a mixed-language, title-cased title like any of these to, if it exists, refer to a specific company (or a DAB page of multiple companies). I think the most likely use case of someone searching for one of these terms is that they expect us to have an article with that title, not that they're trying to find a list of German airlines. -- Tamzin (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 20:13, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all. This sort of mixed-language titles would only be useful if there was an actual airline called "Air Deutschland" but as there is not, the redirects are useless. I wonder what possessed someone to create them in the first place. J I P  &#124; Talk 21:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete all. Useless redirects, partly in a cruelly wrong language. Nobody will ever start a search using the terms "Deutschlandese Airlines", "Deutschland Airlines", "Deutschlandese Airways", "Air Deutschland" or ""Deutschland Airways"". --Uli Elch (talk) 08:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

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Krayge Tyler
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:33, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Krayge Tyler → 16volt (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Listed as a guitarist or other performer in the personnel/credits sections of a number of album articles but no mention at the target page. There is no obvious target and should be deleted per WP:XY. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
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She's faking it
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:25, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * She's faking it → Edna Krabappel (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While this quote is mentioned at the target, an internet search does not suggest that this term is primarily associated with the character off Edna Krabapple, but rather as a generic reference to Fake orgasms. In the interest of avoiding a potential WP:SURPRISE, deletion seems like the best course of action. signed,Rosguill talk 17:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - throwaway gag and not a catchphrase (afaik). No other proper target ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  18:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If it were to target something, it should be fake orgasms, but it's not a plausible enough search term to warrant that. Delete. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 18:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not a media title. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Target article gives no indication that subject might be referred to by this name, so it is of no help to users trying to locate target page. Internet search for "She's faking it" as an alternative name for subject reveals no results. Delete per WP:R, reason number 8 in the list. — Johnnie Bob (talk) 00:05, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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Miss King
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:26, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Miss King → King Princess (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, internet search results do not suggest that this is a common alternative name for the target. An internal search reveals some non-notable TV episodes and book chapters by this name, making me think that deletion to allow for internal search results is the best solution here. signed,Rosguill talk 17:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A case could be made for retargeting to King (surname), but there's a WP:COSTLY issue there: We do not seem to have many (if any) redirects on the pattern of <courtesy title> pointing to surname pages. The people listed on any surname page will often have four distinct courtesy titles among them (Ms., Miss, Mrs., Mr.), if not more (Dr., Rev., Mx., etc.), which means retargeting would justify thousands of new redirects for this set of relatively unlikely search terms. With that in mind, delete. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 17:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - not mentioned at target. Minor Pride and Prejudice character (but not mentioned in article so no redirect) ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  18:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for now. This is different from Mrs. King which has multiple character names.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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Boston Design Center
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . The addition of a sourced mention at the target addresses my concerns, withdrawing discussion. signed,Rosguill talk 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Boston Design Center → Raymond L. Flynn Marine Park (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target or anywhere else on Wikipedia, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 17:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: I've added a sentence and citation. The BDC is a major structure in the Marine Park. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: The Design Center (and the Innovation & Design Building in which it is housed) is arguably the largest structure within the Marine Park (save for maybe the Cruise Terminal itself, especially when a ship is docked there). Additionally, this is a reasonable search term considering that the Silver Line SL2 route, which operates to the Marine Park, uses "Design Center" or "Drydock Avenue" as its destination, not "Boston Marine Industrial Park". Nick Boppel (talk) 17:53, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
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Pleş River
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  13:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Pleş River">Pleş River → Rosua (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target article contains no mention of the Pleş. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * ro:Râul Rosua lists ro:Râul Pleș as one of its tributaries. Can we find an RS to list it at Rosua? Either way, though, keep even without mention, as a plausible search term with no other meaning. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 09:56, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep. Mention was added to target the day after the nomination and the above request was made.  Jay (Talk) 15:06, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, thanks to post-nomination edits. Nyttend backup (talk) 22:00, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep now mentioned in the target article -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:04, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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Red Dead 2
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 7%23Red Dead 2

Hoot the Owl
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 8%23Hoot the Owl

Sayre language academy
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of schools in Chicago Public Schools.  ✗  plicit  13:20, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Sayre language academy → Chicago (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete – not mentioned in the target article. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Sayre Language Academy is an elementary school in the Chicago Public School system. Retarget to List of schools in Chicago Public Schools and add a mention there. - Eureka Lott 08:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I could have tried to add a mention, but don't know how to. I have asked in the talk page.  Jay (Talk) 05:34, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Added.  Jay (Talk) 11:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget and list to List of schools in Chicago Public Schools per . I don't see any others with this name, so Chicago one seems appropriate.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:31, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above.  Jay (Talk) 11:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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Amasa Wright
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 * The result of the discussion was restor article  . without prejudice to AfD signed,Rosguill talk 19:31, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Amasa Wright → Chicago (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Amasa wright → Chicago (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: ' ]  (Added. -- T'''avix  ( talk ) 13:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC))

Delete – not mentioned in the target article. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:57, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This was an article from 2008 until December, when it was WP:BLARed. It deserves a full discussion. Revert and send to AFD. - Eureka Lott 08:28, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Revert per WP:BLAR and Eureka Lott. Thryduulf (talk) 12:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Revert the inappropriate redirection to a target that does not mention the subject. I've added a caps variant to the discussion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Revert per and discuss where it should be mentioned or added. Chicago Loop article? History of Chicago?  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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مسیح
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:30, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="مسیح">مسیح → Masih (title) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary, Non-English redirect. Pepper Beast   (talk)  20:12, 22 June 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Masih (surname) where it is mentioned in the lead (or add it to Masih and retarget there). Per WP:RFOREIGN this is a useful redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 22:46, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-latin redirect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neel.arunabh (talk • contribs) 17:36, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Why is that relevant? We have hundreds of redirects form Urdu-language terms. Thryduulf (talk) 08:19, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * But I think we should allow only Latin script redirects like Aiwān-e-Bālā. Arabic script redirects like آئین پاکستان should be deleted. Neel.arunabh (talk) 15:57, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. This Arabic and Persian word is relevant in the context of the target article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * See my comment in the above discussion. Google Translate also returns "Christ" for this one (Urdu). --BDD (talk) 15:26, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you mean below discussion?  Jay (Talk) 15:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the Masih DAB, as there's no way to know whether a reader means it as a name or as a title. (Judging from Masih Alinejad, it seems that the name is spelled the same way as the title in Persian (and presumably also Urdu), or at least sometimes is.) -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 18:45, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep. It's given as the native form of the article title of Masih (surname).  (No opinion about retargeting or not.)  There's absolutely no reason to get rid of a native term just because it's written in a different script; it's more likely that someone seeking the Senate of Pakistan would use ایوانِ بالا پاکستان‎ than Aiwān-e-Bālā, because you're unlikely to know the Latin transcription with diacritics unless you also know the Urdu original.  Nyttend backup (talk) 22:11, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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مسیحا
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:30, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="مسیحا">مسیحا → Masih (title) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary, Non-English redirect. Pepper Beast   (talk)  20:12, 22 June 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No consensus between "keep" and "retarget". In any case, it is worthwhile to relist this pending the AfD outcome, because a "delete" closure for the current target means a "retarget" outcome for this redirect.
 * Keep and mention. The article is about an Arabic word so that word in Arabic is obviously an appropriate WP:RFOREIGN redirect. I note the target is prodded, if it is deleted then this redirect will be subject to WP:CSD speedy deletion, but if it is kept then it is a good redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-latin redirect Neel.arunabh (talk) 17:35, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Why is that relevant? We have hundreds (at least) of redirects from Arabic terms - see Category:Redirects from Arabic-language terms for those that have been categorised. Thryduulf (talk) 08:17, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * But most of those redirects are in the Latin script. Example: Ad-Dawlah al-Islamiyah fi al-‘Iraq wash-Sham. I personally think the Arabic script redirects like أبو الحسين مسلم بن الحجاج القشيري النيشابوري should be deleted. Neel.arunabh (talk) 15:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Why do you think the Arab script redirects (of which there are many) should be deleted? How will that help people looking for this content? Thryduulf (talk) 16:46, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. This Urdu and Persian word is relevant in the context of the target article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:41, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I was prepared to close this as keep assuming this form was given in the article, but it's not. Google Translate renders it as "christ" rather than Messiah. I don't know how accurate that is, or if perhaps this Arabic form is a faithful translation of both terms. Note that the target article is at AfD, and redirecting it to both Messiah and Christ (title) have been suggested. --BDD (talk) 15:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Important: this isn't Arabic. Google Translate from Persian gives "Messiah". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:48, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary defines this as "a messiah" and transliterates it as "masiha", with مسیح being defined as "messiah" or "Christ" and transliterated as "masih" . In absence of commentary from anyone with subject-matter expertise, I would say we should retarget to Messiah (the broader of the two potential targets), independent of the AfD outcome. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 18:38, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Unsure. When I highlight the redirect title and search for it at the current target, I get no results.  (This is different from what happens if I search the other redirect just above this one on the RFD page; it appears at the start of the article.)  If it does exist there and I'm making a mistake, keep it of course; there's no way that we should delete a foreign-language redirect to an article that directly covers that subject.  But if there's something wrong with this redirect, making it implausible, I see no reason to keep it.  Nyttend backup (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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