Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 6

June 6
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 6, 2021.

Temporary workaround to be deleted
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete.  --BDD (talk) 14:53, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Temporary workaround to be deleted → 2017 Tehran attacks (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Despite what the title says, this thing was never deleted unlike The evil Islamist Terrorist Entity gets its due almost 33 hours after the target stood at the redirect's title for less than a minute. Plus, temporary workarounds like this can happen to any page, so we should finish the job by deleting this, unless someone can provide a justification for why it's still needed here. Regards, SONIC  678  22:57, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * G6 just maintenance  dud  hhr  Contribs 00:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G6: the vandalism that resulted in this redirect required a round-robin move to revert, and this was left over. I'm not sure when WP:PMRC came into play but if this happened today this redirect would be suppressed, or deleted as a matter of routine. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 12:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:ABT
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to About.  ✗  plicit  00:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * ABT → User:Deiz/Awards, Best of and Top 100 lists (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to About as a WP:SHORTCUT. Few incoming links, none from active talk pages. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget as proposed. The essay is redundant to WP:TOP100 and may contradict that guideline, and its advice may run counter to Copyright in lists. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget as proposed. I created it.  Dei z  talk 10:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
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Unnamed/Untitled
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . WP:TRAINWRECK signed,Rosguill talk 05:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Unnamed Titanosaur → Titanosauria (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unnamed Patagonian titanosaur (2014) → Patagotitan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unnamed Patagonian titanosaur → Patagotitan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unnamed Tour → The Girls Tour (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unnamed Pittsburgh fireboat → Sophie Masloff (fireboat) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unnamed Monster Spirits (Kirby) → Kirby: Right Back at Ya! (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unnamed play pavilion → Play! Pavilion (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unnamed Spider-Man ride → Web Slingers: A Spider-Man Adventure (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Unnamed Miami team → Inter Miami CF (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Paul Thomas Anderson project → Soggy Bottom (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog sequel → Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Ant-Man and the Wasp sequel → Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Paul Thomas Anderson film → Soggy Bottom (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Resident Evil film → Resident Evil: Welcome to Raccoon City (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled On the Other Side of the Tracks sequel → Tower of Strength (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Miranda July Project → Kajillionaire (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Migos album → Culture III (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Migos Album → Culture III (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Kevin Macdonald project → The Mauritanian (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Game of Thrones prequel → Game of Thrones (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled David O Russell project → Canterbury Glass (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Alejandro González Iñárritu film → Limbo (upcoming Mexican film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Scream sequel → Scream (2022 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled David O. Russell film → Canterbury Glass (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Tina Fey/Robert Carlock project → Mr. Mayor (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Voting Rights Documentary → All In: The Fight for Democracy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Velvet Underground documentary → The Velvet Underground (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Velvet Underground Documentary → The Velvet Underground (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled All Elite Wrestling show → AEW Dynamite (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Cecily Strong comedy series → Schmigadoon! (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Beauty and the Beast spinoff → Little Town (upcoming TV prequel series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Cassian Andor series → Andor (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Christopher Landon project → Freaky (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Spider-Man: Far From Home sequel → Spider-Man: No Way Home (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Spider-Man: Far from Home sequel → Spider-Man: No Way Home (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Untitled Sparks documentary → The Sparks Brothers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete Our regular cleanup: once something has a name or title, and the article is moved to that title, we have consistently deleted, as misleading, the move-created redirect once inbound wikilinks are corrected (as I have done here). UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:08, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Οἶδα (talk) 18:59, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. A few that could also be added: Untitled voting rights documentary, Untitled Shazam! sequel, Untitled Captain Marvel sequel, Draft:Untitled Captain Marvel sequel Gonnym (talk) 19:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, at least the ones involving titanosaurs (unqualified to comment on the rest). They exist mainly for historical reasons (the taxon was popular before it was named). Lythronaxargestes (talk &#124; contribs) 20:21, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all per above. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 01:23, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm very wary about deleting these because of old links. I haven't checked all of them but deleting something like this is exceedingly harmful. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:20, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The following have significant pageviews and should not be deleted (pageviews in past 30 days in parentheses). Generally, a list of relevant works is a useful result for these terms, as readers can then find any such project, or find that none presently exist, which is still useful information.
 * Untitled Paul Thomas Anderson project (392): retarget to Paul Thomas Anderson filmography
 * Untitled Resident Evil film (14): retarget to Resident Evil (film series)
 * Untitled Migos album (307): retarget to Migos discography
 * Untitled Kevin Macdonald project (14): retarget to Kevin Macdonald (director)
 * Untitled Scream sequel (25): retarget to Scream (franchise)
 * Untitled David O. Russell film (1,434): retarget to David O. Russell
 * Untitled Christopher Landon project (176): retarget to Christopher Landon (filmmaker)
 * Untitled Spider-Man: Far From Home sequel (1,634): retarget to Spider-Man in film
 * Special cases:
 * Untitled Velvet Underground documentary (19): keep, there are no more suitable targets.
 * Untitled Sparks documentary (76): keep, no more suitable targets.
 * Untitled Cassian Andor series (38): keep, I find it doubtful there's ever going to be a second television series on this highly specific element of a Disney property.
 * Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog sequel (20): defer to the ongoing discussion at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 3.
 * Untitled Game of Thrones prequel (271): close and relist separately so that options can be discussed. I don't read the books or watch the series, but my general understanding is that some kind of Game of Thrones project is always in the works, so this is a valid search term regardless of whether any such work presently exists.
 * Delete the rest. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 12:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep all without prejudice as a trainwreck. This is far too many redirects to evaluate in a single go, and the comments above suggest that the nominator has not attempted to do so. Thryduulf (talk) 15:35, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The Migos redirect remains as the result of a page move, so should not be deleted. As Thryduulf stated, there are too many nominated here at once; not all of them can be evaluated with the nuance and analysis needed when it's done like this. Sean Stephens (talk) 08:45, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * To summarise, the ones which exist as a result of page moves should be kept in order to avoid breaking links, both internal and external. Sean Stephens (talk) 09:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The only ones which are not R from moveses are Unnamed Monster Spirits (Kirby), Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog sequel, Untitled Ant-Man and the Wasp sequel, and Untitled Spider-Man: Far from Home sequel. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I saw [sic] we keep all but those. Point four of RfD supports my point above, and I don't think any of these have good reason to be deleted. I think these were all nominated in good faith, but the impression of bad faith could certainly be understood here. Sean Stephens (talk) 23:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as housekeeping given the titles are no longer untitled and links have been cleaned up. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:19, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
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Can't They Hear Us
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:43, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Can't They Hear Us → Gully (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The song is called "Can They Hear Us", not "Can't They Hear Us" N<b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 18:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator's rationale. Sean Stephens (talk) 09:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
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Shawano (mythology)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 14%23Shawano (mythology)

Grammar Nazi
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 * The result of the discussion was soft redirect  to grammar Nazi. While the !votes are relatively evenly split, the soft redirect camp has the advantage of both addressing the concerns raised by arguments in favor of other outcomes and a late lead. signed,Rosguill talk 05:21, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Grammar Nazi → wiktionary:grammar Nazi (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Grammar nazi → Grammar Nazi (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Grammar Nazis → Grammar Nazi (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Grammar Nazi was redirected to Linguistic prescription in 2007 after an AFD. In 2012 it was turned into a soft redirect to grammar Nazi, then 18 months later back into an article, and then a few months later was returned to its original target. A 2016 RFD kept that target for it and for the two avoided double redirects also listed here.

Buidhe has now turned it back into a soft redirect. Surprisingly, the well-attended '16 RFD did not significantly discuss that option, so I think it was reasonable for her to be bold here. However, I do think that the previous consensus was correct. I suggest that we restore old target. Wiktionary redirects are useful when we don't have an article that describes a concept, and aren't likely ever to. However, "grammar Nazi" refers to a concept described at linguistic prescriptivism. That the article doesn't mention the term is less than ideal, but there's no requirement that a term be mentioned at the target page; in particular, terms seen as insulting are often not mentioned. If the concern is that some readers might type in "Grammar Nazi" not knowing what it means, and fail to understand the connection, we could always use the hatnote, which produces "Grammar Nazi" redirects here. For a definition of the term "grammar Nazi", see the Wiktionary entry grammar Nazi.

Finally, on a procedural note: Grammar nazi was incorrectly CSD'd in 2018. I noticed that while drafting this RFD, and brought it to the attention of The Earwig, who restored it. Just explaining that sequence of events in case anyone's wondering why it was restored and RFD'd in such quick succession.

-- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 01:40, 23 May 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I don't think this is a great outcome as "grammar Nazi" is not even mentioned in "linguistic perscriptivism". These two concepts are not equivalent and Wiktionary has a better explanation than Wikipedia does. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  01:42, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * On second thought I also don't think the hatnote on linguistic perscriptivism is a good idea as I think it would give too much prominence to this derogatory label. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  08:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – There's really no reason I can see for WP to link that offensive term to anything. And it was almost never seen in books, much rarer than Soup Nazi, until Wikipedia linked it in 2007; we shouldn't be doing that. Dicklyon (talk) 03:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – As one of those who have worked most extensively on Linguistic prescription, I would object to the link. First of all, because people who use this phrase are not talking about the practice of linguistic prescription as discussed in that article. And secondly (though this may be personal opinion and irrelevant, but it is a strong viceral reaction), because anyone who has seriously studied the Nazis must object to the trivialization of the horrors of that period which are implied by using the word "Nazi" to mean "anyone I don't agree with". We do not aim to have a Wikipedia article on every word just because it is a word. There is no encyclopedic topic here. --Doric Loon (talk) 17:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * All target linguistic prescription (weakly); RNEUTRAL needs to be borne in mind: perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In at least a significant portion of cases the term isn't meant derogatorily anyhow. A reader who hasn't heard of the term at least gets some idea of what it's about by being directed to the proposed target. It being often non-neutral is irrelevant considering that it is by far a plausible search term. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep and target linguistic prescription  WP:NOTCENSORED, Wikipedia is not censored, and this is a very popular term. Deleting it would be censoring a widely used term. It is literally a label used to describe someone who is very strict about linguistic prescription, so that target should be the one. The wiktionary entry can be added to the See also section -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as-is. The term being offensive and uncommon in books doesn't sound like a convincing argument to me that we shouldn't have a page on it, because it is absolutely a common term in culture at large, and we objectively cover many more horrible things. But I agree with buidhe that a hatnote on linguistic prescription puts too much prominence on this and I agree with Doric Loon that it's not a good target anyway. All this leads me to conclude the current situation is the best we've got. —&#8239; The Earwig (talk) 03:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Target all to Linguistic prescription. Useful search term. Categorize as R from related word. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect all to wikt:Grammar Nazi per The Earwig, along with Spelling Nazi (I haven't tagged it), perhaps with a hatnote from the soft redirect to linguistic prescription. The article would be a fine target for the concept of aggressive adherence to arbitrary language rules (see the paragraph under Criticism discussing "inappropriate dogmatism"), but the specific phrase is not discussed in that article, so the reader searching for this is likely to be astonished if redirected to that article without any further explanation. Wiktionary handles this better. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:56, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 05:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect per above. Thryduulf (talk) 15:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect seems the best option here. But I do think the opposing arguments (stating the term is offensive) unconvincing and not relevant. Sean Stephens (talk) 09:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect. These are used, and a wikt entry is available. A retarget to linguistic prescription is not suitable as it isn't mentioned there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * As things stand, I can't see any outcome besides no consensus. The first should probably be retargeted to Linguistic prescription, effectively an R of Buidhe in WP:BRD, since I don't think anyone wants these to be treated differently. I was going to close along these lines but probably count as WP:INVOLVED since I closed the 2016 discussion. FWIW, I wouldn't be thrilled with such a discussion myself. Like most R without mention, it's just begging to come back to RfD one day... --BDD (talk) 21:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * By the numbers, it looks like we're 5 soft redirect, 3 restore old target, 2 delete (counting Earwig's !vote as aligned with Ivanvector's et al., even if there's a slight nuance). Weighting the arguments, I see reasons to down-weight the delete !votes, but I think the rest have about equal basis in policy. Thus, even though I nominated to restore, personally I think a close as soft redirect would be within a reasonable admin's discretion. -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 00:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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Colorado Canyon
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Big Bend Ranch State Park. There's a consensus that with only one thing actually being called the "Colorado Canyon", it doesn't make sense to have a disambiguation page. I will, however, add a hatnote linking to Palo Colorado Canyon, California and Course of the Colorado River. There was no consensus as to the related question of what Colorado canyon (currently a redlink) should be, but we can cross that bridge if we come to it. (non-admin closure)  -- Tamzin  (she/they) &#124; o toki tawa mi. 19:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Colorado Canyon → Grand Canyon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Could also refer to other canyons on the river such as Black Canyon of the Colorado, or other canyons in the state of Colorado, such as Black Canyon of the Gunnison. Disambiguate or delete as ambiguous search term. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggest disambiguation. Add the McInnis Canyons National Conservation Area. --Error (talk) 21:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There are far more, such as Marble Canyon and Glenwood Canyon and others described at Course of the Colorado River. Add to that any canyon in Colorado state, what we're talking about is a dab page (or more likely, a set index or List article) that would be a combination of List of canyons of the Colorado River and List of canyons in Colorado. This term is just too ambiguous and would need a major List article to cover properly. I'm fine if someone wants to undertake that, but in the meantime, I favor deletion. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Further complication: perhaps "Colorado Canyon" could apply to canyons of any one of the eight Colorado Rivers in six countries that are covered in wikipedia (see: Colorado River (disambiguation)).  In Google searching, I find that it seems to apply mainly (only?) to the Colorado Canyon in Big Bend Ranch State Park in Texas.  Which is nowhere near Colorado River (Texas), by the way.  So, as I !vote below, I think it is best to redirect the term to this apparently-to-me wp:PRIMARYUSAGE of the term.  If it is determined there are significant other real usages of the proper noun term, then eventually a disambiguation page could be created (and that could mention the possibility of fake-type usages such as incorrect references to the Grand Canyon or to canyons in the U.S. state of Colorado). --Doncram (talk) 20:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Colorado Canyon may refer to: *Colorado Canyon (Texas) *or it may be an incorrect reference to Grand Canyon, which is on the Colorado River *or it could refer to a different canyon elsewhere, on one of many Colorado Rivers, but none specifically known as "Colorado Canyon" *or it may refer to any one of 35 or more members of Category:Canyons and gorges of Colorado, none named "Colorado Canyon" *or it may refer to a non-notable miniature golf course somewhere, whose URL https://www.coloradocanyonfun dot com/ is not linkable because it has web security problems.
 * Delete . There is no such place;  "disambiguation" would not help.  It would even be incorrect to redirect the term to a List of canyons and gorges in Colorado (currently a redlink) if there was one, because there is no such place.  General search results would be better outcome for any reader search using this term.  There does exist List of canyons and gorges in the United States (redirect to section of world-wide List of canyons.  The only state-level list is List of canyons and gorges in Utah, which is not great, and is not inspiring me towards creating a Colorado list, although I have often created other list-articles to address AFD or CFD issues.  There are 36 members of Category:Canyons and gorges of Colorado, including the McInnis Canyons National Conservation Area, by the way.  Again, neither a disambiguation page or a list-article seems helpful to me.  There are no meaningful inbound links to the term, by the way. --Doncram (talk) 20:08, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Big Bend Ranch State Park. Actually, searching on "Colorado Canyon" does yield https://visitbigbend.com/colorado-canyon/, about the proper noun "Colorado Canyon" in Texas's Big Bend area.  It is apparently located within Big Bend Ranch State Park.  I just expanded that article to mention and describe its "Colorado Canyon" there, and set up anchor so that redirection to Big Bend Ranch State Park will work properly.  Striking my !vote to "Delete" above. --Doncram (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * P.S. I further just added Category:Canyons and gorges of Texas to the redirect, presuming this CFD will conclude with implementation of redirection to Big Bend Ranch State Park. If that is not the outcome, then Colorado Canyon (Texas) (currently a redlink) should be set up to redirect to the Big Bend one, and the category should be added to that redirect. --Doncram (talk) 20:39, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Article categories aren't typically added to redirects per WP:RCAT. My google searching brings up both the Big Bend site, Grand Canyon, general pages about canyons in Colorado, and an amusement park. The term is ambiguous and requires disambiguation if we are to have a redirect to the Big Bend site, and I don't think the Big Bend site would be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT in that case. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Article categories should be added to redirects where applicable, like in this case. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 02:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks J947, that's correct. wp:INCOMPATIBLE subsection within wp:RCAT explains that; it would not be correct to categorize the entire article Big Bend Ranch State Park as being a canyon of Texas. --Doncram (talk) 05:14, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Mdewman6, then what would the disambiguation page say? Perhaps:
 * Maybe that is laying it on a bit thick, but I personally think a non-standard disambiguation page like that would not survive the AFD which would be started immediately upon its creation, and the result would be to redirect to the one valid member, Colorado Canyon (Texas) or to redirect directly to Big Bend Ranch State Park. Or could a proposed disambiguation page be better somehow? --Doncram (talk) 05:14, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I agree that now with the mention of the site in Texas, deletion no longer makes sense, but the term is still too ambiguous to simply retarget to that section. I have drafted a disambiguation page at the current page that I think is the best we can do right now. Another possibility is to consider WP:SMALLDETAILS and target directly to Big Bend Ranch State Park#Colorado Canyon, but make the dab page at Colorado canyon? That way most searchers would be brought to the dab page and get where they want to go, but anyone typing the proper noun would get to the place actually named that. What do we think? Mdewman6 (talk) 20:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 05:48, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Doncram with a WP:SMALLDETAILS dab at Colorado canyon as suggested by Mdewman6, which I think strikes a good balance, as searchers could plausibly be confused as the very existance of the current redirect target illustrates. Regards, 31.41.45.190 (talk) 01:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Big Bend Ranch State Park per Doncram. I tried to add to the disambiguation page, but this is all fairly flimsy stuff besides the one thing definitely called Colorado Canyon that we have coverage of. Note that we have a few similar redirects pointing to Grand Canyon: Canon of Colorado, Grand Canyon of the Colorado, Grand Canyon of the Colorado River, Great Colorado Canyon. I haven't really looked into them, but the middle two seem benign at least. --BDD (talk) 15:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, must have passed over these when I was parsing redirects to Grand Canyon originally. If this resolves as a retarget with a dab at Colorado canyon, Canon of Colorado should probably point to the dab, while Great Colorado Canyon should probably be considered at a subsequent RfD. The middle two certainly seem appropriate as redirects to Grand Canyon. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:10, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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Goehr (composer and conductor)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 05:15, 28 June 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Goehr (composer and conductor)">Goehr (composer and conductor) → Walter Goehr (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is an inappropriate use of R from surname due to the disambiguator. It is also not a plausible search term due to it being non-standard. It is additionally problematic because it is still ambiguous; his son Alexander Goehr followed him into his line of work. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the one link at Princess Tam Tam. I'm confused as to why that link and this redirect was created. Can Roman Spinner please give an explanation? — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. "Goehr" was one of this composer's professional names and it was the name under which he was billed in the on-screen credits of the film Princess Tam Tam, as can be seen here at 1:02.


 * Since it has been pointed out that this is an inappropriate use of R from surname due to the disambiguator, it should be revised to a more appropriate one, perhaps R from short name. If there is no appropriate template, perhaps this redirect can avoid using a redirect template. Although it may be non-standard, it does still remain as a plausible search term, since it is one of the names under which Walter Goehr was credited.


 * While it may appear to be additionally problematic because it is still ambiguous in that his son Alexander Goehr followed him into his line of work, there is no indication that his son was ever billed or credited as simply "Goehr" and therefore Goehr (composer and conductor) would be only a search term for the father and not for the son. However, to avoid any possible misunderstandings, a hatnote can be added atop the father's entry — Goehr (composer and conductor) redirects here. For his son, see Alexander Goehr.


 * As for fixing the "Goehr (composer and conductor)|Goehr" link at Princess Tam Tam so that it displays "Walter Goehr|Goehr" — since in addition to being credited as simply "Goehr", Walter Goehr was also credited as "G. Walter Goehr", "George Walter" and "Walter George", piping his alternative names as "Walter Goehr|alternative name" makes it appear at "What links here" that he was solely credited as "Walter Goehr" and does not give users the opportunity to discover in what projects he was credited under other names.


 * Finally, I always try to explain my edits as fully as I can in my edit summaries. At 03:18, 4 June 2017‎ I wrote, "Redirecting main header delineating the appellation of German musical personality, Goehr (composer and conductor) [per his billing in the credits of the 1935 Josephine Baker feature Princess Tam Tam], to its full form, Walter Goehr". I had hoped that it would have been able to resolve any confusion as to why that link and this redirect was created. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This is all very well, but I think the problem that it is non-standard still stands. No reader is going to search up a term using parentheses. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse &#124; fings wot i hav dun 01:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, Goehr (composer and conductor) is simply a redirect with a parenthetical qualifier. Anyone searching for a film composer known simply as "Goehr" is going to type "Goehr" and will see, as one of the options, "Goehr (composer and conductor)". Redirects with parenthetical qualifiers are very common — there are hundreds of thousands of such redirects at various redirect categories, such as Category:Redirects from moves. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This is all well reasoned, but I'm not convinced that Walter is the primary topic for this search term, especially considering that Alexander is significantly more prominent. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 07:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Walter Goehr was not known simply as "Goehr", the credits from Princess Tam Tam displays it simply as Goehr due to space considerations. Someone who only has a surname to go off of to find an article would use the surname page Goehr, not type Goehr (composer and conductor) as a search term—it's too unwieldy. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no indication of a spacing problem in the credits. In fact, there is plenty of unused space in the on-screen slide containing Goehr's name. European films of the 1920s and 1930s frequently made such artistic choices in depicting some names in large print as solely surnames, while other names were depicted in full form.


 * Additionally, the redirect "Goehr (composer and conductor)" is not merely a search term. As pointed out above, Walter Goehr used a number of professional names, among them, Goehr (composer and conductor), G. Walter Goehr, George Walter (composer) or Walter George (composer). Users clicking on "What links here" at Walter Goehr's article should have the opportunity to determine under which name form he was credited in each of his individual projects.


 * By replacing his piped credit "Goehr (composer and conductor)|Goehr" with the piped credit "Walter Goehr|Goehr", as was just done at Princess Tam Tam, makes it appear under "What links here" that he was credited on Princess Tam Tam as "Walter Goehr" and denies users the opportunity of making that determination.


 * As for Walter Goehr's son Alexander, also a composer and conductor, anyone typing simply "Goehr", will indeed find both father and son at the Goehr surname page. The chief purpose of the redirect "Goehr (composer and conductor)" is for use in the credits of Princess Tam Tam and any other film or recording that billed Walter Goehr as "Goehr".


 * If an uncertainty is still seen as existing, a hatnote atop Walter Goehr's article — Goehr (composer and conductor) redirects here. For his son, see Alexander Goehr — would resolve it. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep this is an article about a person with the name Goehr who was a composer and a conductor so it's completely harmless. Nobody will benefit from it's deletion and given that it was created by a human at least one person has found it useful in the past, so it's far from impossible other people will in the future. Thryduulf (talk) 15:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The harm ultimately derives from its ambiguity; Walter Goehr is not the only Goehr who was a composer and conductor, his son Alexander was too. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 05:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Tavix, I can't find anything at Alexander Goehr suggesting he was a conductor. All mentions of conducting are either about his father or a third party doing the conducting. The mention at Alexander Goehr can read like Alexander was conducting at first glance, but is still referring to Walter. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I noticed that Alexander is more known as a composer, but when I was poking around when making the nomination I did make sure that he did some conducting. For example, Semantic Scholoar describes him as: Alexander Goehr is a leading member of British musical life today through his manifold activities as composer, university professor, broadcaster and conductor. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:44, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the confirmation. That makes me a weak keep rather than an outright keep. Walter being credited mononymously is still something strong we should take into account IMO. A potential compromise would be to flesh out the lede of Walter's article, something to the tune of "His son Alexander also became a composer", so we have a quasi-hatnote. This is still not a super likely search term, but especially unlikely for Alexander, and the net result is not unlike redirecting "Joe Uniquename" to Joe Uniquename, Sr. when both senior and junior have articles. --BDD (talk) 15:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep to aid search of Goehr, the composer and conductor. Replace R from surname with R from short name, and add the hatnote for son at the father's page per Roman. Undo the pipe link change at Princess Tam Tam to make the redirect appear at "What links here". However future editors will not have the benefit of this Rfd, and may well go and change the piped link again.  - Jay (Talk) 14:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
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Persian Sea
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 4%23Persian Sea

Chyalothrin
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . I'm tagging it as a presumed misspelling rather than alternative name. --BDD (talk) 16:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Chyalothrin → Cyhalothrin (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is not an alternative name for Cyhalothrin, and no mention of it is found in the article. It is not a likely misspelling nor a likely search term, as there have been zero pageviews in the past 90 days. No reason to keep an obvious error that nobody searches for. <span style="font-family:Futura,'Century Gothic',AppleGothic,serif;font-size:83%;"><b style="color:#00c6ff;">Senator2029</b> <b style="color:#00c6ff;">❮talk❯</b> 04:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, fairly common misspelling. Gets a non-bot number of views. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 05:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, despite one reason for the misspelling being that "y" and "h" are adjacent on typewriter keyboard. Unlikely that anyone would actually believe this is the correct spelling. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Despite what J947 queries, this is not a common spelling. Google Ngrams shows that it is not used in any notable publications. Bibeyjj (talk) 13:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I got this. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 19:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm not sure what J947 is seeing, the pageviews tool shows zero hits. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I see 100 pageviews all time, which isn't a lot but nevertheless is about 40 people (excluding bots) helped by this redirect.  J947 's public account 22:29, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I never bother to go back more than 90 days, but you're right, the hits are there. Supposedly the new tool filters bot hits, so if it's working right then those are all human views. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I've got a theory that sometime around late 2019 a change came to the tool to filter bot hits better, as there's often a pageview drop around that time – whereas I don't think the actual number of readers has reduced. I don't think that the tool filters out bot views perfectly, but it may well filter out more than I realise. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I recall that being a feature of this new tool right from its deployment, which was to replace an older tool in 2015 if I'm remembering right. It should correspond with the oldest date you can check in the new tool, and I believe the old one is now offline. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 16:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per the struck vote and discussion directly above: a few people use it, and I don't see how it's harmful to keep it for those rare uses. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep per WP:RFD. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:00, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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