Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 10

May 10
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 10, 2021.

List of 2001: A Space Odyssey trivia
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 19%23List of 2001: A Space Odyssey trivia

PortuGreek
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  02:29, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * PortuGreek → Waterworld (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Enwiki does not appear to have content about this fictional language anywhere. Hog Farm Talk 19:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. We have no content on this fictional language, so there is no good target for this redirect. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 20:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and the IP. -- dyl  x  15:08, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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Indonesian English
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Languages of Indonesia. Hog Farm Talk 03:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Indonesian English → International English (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target article makes no mention of Indonesia. feminist (+) 16:47, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Retarget to Languages of Indonesia, which talks about the usage of English in Indonesia, but doesn't really contain any content on if a distinct dialect of Indonesian English exists. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 17:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the IP. Thryduulf (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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The Love Ducks
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 19%23The Love Ducks

Button island
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Button Island per WP:SNOW. Consensus is clear as day. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 03:06, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Button island → Arthur (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article. Dominicmgm (talk) 14:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the DAB page at Button Island. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 17:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Button Island per our 192 friend as an R from alternative capitalization. Why get readers lost by redirecting this title somewhere where relevant content doesn't exist (it's only a minor plot element, where D.W. occasionally expresses desire to go)? Regards, SONIC  678  17:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. Thryduulf (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Button Island per above. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 19:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Button Island per IP. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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Galadorian
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 18%23Galadorian

Supply Side Jesus
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 * The result of the discussion was kept.  Some edits made to target page Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, in order to mention Supply Side Jesus. Redirect kept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casspedia (talk • contribs) 18:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Supply Side Jesus → Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect seems completely irrelevant, granted how Supply Side Jesus is never mentioned a single time in the target article. I would suggest redirecting this to Christian fundamentalism owing to how this term is used as a critique of it, but deleting this redirect is OK too. Casspedia ( talk )  14:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. "Supply-Side Jesus" is one of the most famous, significant, and original depictions of the Republican Jesus concept and meme, originally designed and popularized by cartoonist Don Simpson as "The Gospel of Supply-Side Jesus" in Al Franken's 2003 book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right. It is redirected appropriately with possibilities.  It is directly referenced by dozens of reliable sources as a cartoon of cultural significance. Viriditas (talk) 15:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case, adding the term into the article itself would be an absolute necessity. Otherwise, redirect to Republican Jesus. Casspedia  ( talk )  16:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The article on Republican Jesus is about a related Internet meme that occurred decades later. Supply side Jesus is a cartoon found in the book.  It is redirected to the book appropriately. Viriditas (talk) 16:47, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Per your request above, I've added it to the article. Viriditas (talk) 16:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note, after looking through the edit history, the cartoon was discussed in the article in 2012, but was deleted by a misguided editor. Viriditas (talk) 17:40, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Then I think keep is fine. Performing non-admin closure now. Casspedia  ( talk )  18:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Barriss
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 19:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Barriss → 2017 Wichita swatting (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think a last name should redirect to an article about an incident that mentions a person who just so happens to have that last name. We could possibly redirect to Barris, a more common surname with similar spelling, though I'm not sure if that's appropriate, so maybe deletion is the best option. Damien Linnane (talk) 12:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * , redirects are a very common feature in Wikipedia and redirects from surnames to individuals are common, too: Freud, Einstein, Kampusch. Also redirects from Names to incidents are common: Kyle Rittenhouse, Rusten Sheskey, Eric Stillman. If there were more people with this surname having an article, somebody would have made a disambiguation page (feel free to make one, including Barriss Offee). The 2017 Wichita swatting got a lot of attention, which is why Tyler Barriss is listed in five different articles. If you don't think a last name should redirect to an article about an incident that mentions a person who just so happens to have that last name, why start with Barriss? Better ask for a rule clarification here. Yours, Ciciban (talk) 13:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd appreciate it if you didn't patronise me, or anyone else. I know redirects are "a very common feature". Since 2008 I've created over 380 of them on Wikipedia.
 * I think your comparisons are poor. The surname redirects for Freud, Einstein and Kampusch link to an actual person. The redirects for Kyle Rittenhouse etc are all full names. That's no comparison to what you've done here. We already have Tyler Barriss redirecting to 2017 Wichita swatting. That's appropriate. I don't think your surname redirect is though. If there was no other notable character/person with the last name Barriss I wouldn't have a problem with that surname redirecting to an article on Tyler Barriss, if one existed. But one doesn't, and as you've pointed out, there is at least one notable character who also uses that name (Barriss Offee redirects to List of Star Wars characters). In any case, I find it incredibly unlikely anyone would decide the first point of call for searching for information on the shooting would be typing the surname of one person involved in it into Wikipedia. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * While I'd prefer deletion, I'm not opposed to creating a disambiguation page for Barriss, now that you've mentioned it. However, I note it's not recommended to move a page nominated for deletion. Also I'm not sure if it's appropriate to disambiguate when the only two entries at that page will be redirects themselves. If someone could tell me the precedent in this situation I'd appreciate it. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You can always withdraw the nomination. And I see no reason, why this kind of disambiguation should be forbidden. This would be a very special rule. So feel free to make it. And for the rest: Better seek a rule clarification here than patronising me with with your deletion request on basis of what you personally like/dislike/think/don't think/consider a strong comparison/consider a poor comparison. Yours, Ciciban (talk) 15:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:AGF. I'd advise you not to take it personally when someone questions one of your edits. Contrary to what you've convinced yourself of, this discussion was not my attempt to personally patronise you. In 13 years of editing Wikipedia I'd simply never seen a surname (opposed to a full name) redirecting to an incident. This is not a common occurrence, but that should be clear from the fact you couldn't find another example of this ever happening, so I decided to start a discussion about it to get other opinions. When you don't know what to do in a certain situation, asking for advice from people with more experience would be considered a normal response. That shouldn't require explanation, but here we are. I'm not here to attack your edits, I'm trying to improve Wikipedia for everyone. Have a nice day. Damien Linnane (talk) 00:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate. I started a draft disambiguation page below the redirect. - Eureka Lott 17:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with the disambiguation page you've made, and as the creator does not oppose it I'm happy to withdraw this discussion. Damien Linnane (talk) 00:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks – Ciciban (talk) 08:22, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Can this discussion now be closed and the page be cleaned from everything except the disambiguation? – Ciciban (talk) 18:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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Stadio Olympica
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Olympic Stadium (disambiguation). (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Stadio Olympica → Stadio olimpico del ghiaccio (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect has a long history, eventually ending up as a redirect to the current target. But I don't think "Olympica" is right: the first reference at the target has "Lo Stadio del ghiaccio" so even if the grammar were correct, the stadium was not known as "Stadio Olympica". Furthermore, as a misspelling, the term is ambiguous with Stadio Olimpico in Rome, and others. On the whole, I think a retarget to Olympic Stadium (disambiguation) would be better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom to Olympic Stadium (disambiguation). I believe it's a by far better target. Less Unless (talk) 16:00, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
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White War (film)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:04, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="White War (film)">White War (film) → White War (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The subject is not a film. The article only exists as this title for about six hours and there is now no page linking to this redirect. It is unlikely to be useful for searching. Sun8908 &#8239;Talk 07:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment no objection to deletion. Mccapra (talk) 11:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomination. If it was never a film this redirect will not be helpful. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Tang-e Shur
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Arboretum Oaks Apartments
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to 2021 Austin shooting.  ✗  plicit  07:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Arboretum Oaks Apartments → List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arboretum_Oaks_Apartments&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article this pointed to was redirected to the current target. As Arboretum Oaks Apartments is not mentioned at the target, I think this should be deleted. signed,Rosguill talk 18:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Retarget - Retarget to 2021 Austin shooting where it is mentioned. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:06, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Jax. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to 2021 Austin shooting. Note that 2021 Austin shooting was merged to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021, but the merge was reverted (see Articles for deletion/2021 Austin shooting). So this redirect should go back to targeting 2021 Austin shooting as it originally did. Adumbrativus (talk) 03:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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Велике журі присяжних
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:58, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Велике журі присяжних">Велике журі присяжних → Grand jury (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B6%D1%83%D1%80%D1%96_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8F%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%85&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:FORRED: Ukrainian term is not mentioned in the target, and no special connection for the term to the Ukrainian language. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Very weak retarget to Judiciary of Ukraine, otherwise delete. The general concept of a grand jury has no specific connection to the Ukrainian language. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 17:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. If the article has no special connection to the language it shouldn't be there. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED. Also, Judiciary of Ukraine doesn’t even mention grand juries let alone Велике журі присяжних so that isn’t a useful target.--65.92.163.98 (talk) 00:59, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete looks like a mere translation from English. It's not in Ukrainian judiciary tradition according to what I read and know. I couldn't find IRS that would prove it either. As an option it can be retargeted to Grand Jury (disambiguation). Less Unless (talk) 16:20, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Grand jury (disambiguation) doesn’t mention this term either so it had the same issue as the current target.--65.92.163.98 (talk) 21:14, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
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Checkgate
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Indiana Jones and the Phantom Menace
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Indiana Jones and the Phantom Menace → Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not discussed in target article, seems to be an obscure satirical name for target. Created by now-banned user. Hog Farm Talk 06:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as it appears to be completely satirical. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per WP:G3. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 22:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Less Unless (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per G3, as below. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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Raiders of the Phantom Menace
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Raiders of the Phantom Menace → Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Doesn't seem to be a standard name for the target, likely a joke about the somewhat bizarre plot device of the movie. Google search brings up very minimal usage, so this seems to be the sort of novel or obscure synonym that gets deleted. Hog Farm Talk 06:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomination. Appears to be completely satirical. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:32, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I get where this name comes from, but unless the satirical name is notable enough to warrant a redirect (like Fishtar) it shouldn't exist. Dominicmgm (talk) 14:51, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per WP:G3. Ocelot Creeper  ( ta lk ) 22:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * delete as joke redirect -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:00, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I agree with all of the above. Less Unless (talk) 16:25, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per G3. Agree with OcelotCreeper that this should be treated as a hoax. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:59, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, but slowly. A satirical name is not a hoax. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 04:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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