Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 14

May 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 14, 2021.

Boston "terror" blasts
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:49, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Boston "terror" blasts → Boston Marathon bombing (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not only do the added quotes make this implausible, it also seems to be a use of WP:SCAREQUOTES. Dominicmgm (talk) 22:59, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No links, no views. Jay (talk) 21:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SCAREQUOTES. There is no doubt that they were terror attacks, so no expression of doubt needs to be used.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 01:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Based on this post it was a tagline of CCTV (now CGTN) that I had found. I dont remember which article it came from. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Agreed completely. This seems worthless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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Jamie Jones (musician)
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PUH
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Puh.  ✗  plicit  23:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * PUH → Barkley Regional Airport (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Airport code is PAH; PUH seems to have been a code for Pochutla Airport. Peter James (talk) 20:36, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * retarget to puh as a R from alternate capitalization as this is one of the standardized ways of writing a surname (allcaps) recommended in some style guides and standards -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 03:50, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Puh per 67. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 22:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. Thryduulf (talk) 11:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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"Pop"
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "Pop" → Pop (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible search term and unnecessary redirect with the quotations. Anarchyte ( talk  &#8226;  work ) 17:04, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Refine to Pop, where there are several entries such as albums or songs that are often referred to using quotation marks. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 18:43, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment either leave it as is or delete, do not refine. -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 03:21, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete So non-standard that it's a bad precedent to set. Pam  D  11:57, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete unless the quotation marks could be regarded as part of the title of something here (as "Heroes" and "Couples" are). Peter James (talk) 15:23, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Jay (talk) 21:35, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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Makura eigyō
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Makura eigyō → Casting couch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Makura eigyou → Casting couch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  added by 61.239.39.90 (talk) 13:15, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Not mentioned at the target, delete per WP:RLOTE unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 16:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * per Rosguill. At the time the redirect was created, its creator had just added info on Makura eigyō to the target article. The content was removed twice, once by me. I did not find the content to be relevant, and the other remover thought that it might be but that it was hard to tell due to the broken English. If anyone wants to view what the Makura eigyō content looked like, here's a diff. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:59, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: there could be an appropriate topic somewhere but the creator does not, with all due respect, appear to be a subject expert and it's not been established that this is another name for the topic, or something similar enough to be part of the same phenomenon. No prejudice against addition of well-sourced, clear content about the topic and then a section redirect (or an article at one of these pages). — Bilorv ( talk ) 22:54, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Can it be a new page?: I found Wiktionary page 枕営業 that contains its meaning "using sexual favors to improve business". Beside, there is a Japapese article linked to "Casting couch" at ja:枕営業. After a search on Google with keyword "makura eigyō sexual favors", I found some articles that contain English explanation:
 * THE ART OF SEDUCTION AND AFFECT ECONOMY - CORE pdf: "...The street reminded me of a host’s account I had read:hosts who did makura eigyō (literally pillow business, meaning to have sex with clientsfor money) intentionally walked the street to lure their clients into the hotels..."
 * Tokyo court ruling suggests adultery OK if it's for business: "Makura eigyo refers to a hostess maintaining a sexual relationship with a customer to ensure that he continues to visit the club regularly."
 * To become a seiyuu… "枕営業 (makura eigyō): pillow business. Literally sleeping with the people with the right connections for benefits."
 * So do you find it similar to Transactional sex to make a redirect to this page or should it be a a new page or be deleted? BabesLooker (talk) 04:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If you can collect several sources that discuss makura eigyou as a distinct, unique phenomenon, then it could have its own article. If the sourcing falls short of GNG, but it still seems to have a significance beyond being a direct translation of "transactional sex", content about it could be added to Transactional sex. But I would focus on fleshing out the article first, and worrying about redirects second. signed,Rosguill talk 19:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Isn't this just an WP:RLOTE? Delete. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:32, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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Descent(Blade: The Series episode)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Descent(Blade: The Series episode) → Blade (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Created with a typo and there is already Descent (Blade: The Series episode). Gonnym (talk) 12:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- dyl  x  16:25, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete this error in disambiguation (WP:COSTLY). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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MJ (singer)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to MJ. There is consensus against the status quo. Editors are roughly equally divided between retargetting this to the disambiguation page and moving MJ (South Korean singer) to this title. However, as some have pointed out, the latter option is an example of WP:PDABPRIMARY because "MJ (singer)" is ambiguous. Given the lack of consensus over whether primary topics apply to partially disambiguated titles, pointing this title to a disambiguation page is more likely to comply with policies. (non-admin closure) feminist (+) 14:03, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="MJ (singer)">MJ (singer) → Michael Jackson (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MJ_(singer)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely search term. As the stats show, this usually doesn't get any hits, and it's not hard to see why - who would type in "MJ" and then disambiguate it if they didn't know how to get to Michael Jackson's article? I wouldn't really mind, though, except MJ (South Korean singer) is an actual page with hundreds of views a day. Thus, there's really no benefit to having this incomplete DAB hanging around. Nohomersryan (talk) 04:52, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note this wasn't properly tagged. I tagged it at 08:09, 30 April 2021. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom, then move the South Korean singer to MJ (singer) leaving a hatnote to Michael Jackson. As an American, if I saw "MJ (singer)" my first thought would be Michael Jackson, but that doesn't supersede a notable singer who actually has that stage name. The hatnote should clear up any confusion. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:19, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * An WP:RM would be needed for the South Korean singer (though my !vote below might apply to that case also)—Bagumba (talk) 10:17, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to MJ. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to MJ. Titles with parenthetical disambiguation generally should not still be ambiguous.—Bagumba (talk) 10:17, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and create RM for the South Korean singer per AllegedlyHuman. <b style="color:#000">Vaticidal</b><b style="color:#66023C">prophet</b> 13:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Move MJ (South Korean singer) to this title and hatnote Michael Jackson. There is no other singer primarily mononymously know as "MJ". BD2412  T 15:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Articles titles should be WP:CONCISE, which it isn't if it's still ambiguous and needs a hatnote to Michael Jackson. A WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, e.g. if the title was plain "MJ", would be an exception for CONCISE.—Bagumba (talk) 04:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * See the Puerto Rican singer also called MJ, I mentioned below. Jay (talk) 08:28, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Move per BD2412. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 14:53, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and move MJ (South Korean singer) to this title. It's nearly impossible for people to intentionally type "MJ (singer)" in the search box in attempt to find the article about Michael Jackson. Bluesatellite (talk) 07:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Not everyone is an American pop music fan to know that MJ's full name that they "should" instead be typing.—Bagumba (talk) 04:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep Michael Jackson is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC even if people aren't using this redirect IMO. Retarget to MJ as second choice. --BDD (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * Move MJ (singer) to this title per AllegedlyHuman and BD2412. -- dyl  x  16:28, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to MJ per Bagumba. There are pages Yaga & Mackie and Objetivo Fama (season 6) that (incorrectly) link to MJ (singer) as a Puerto Rican singer. And I'm sure there are more pages where the Puerto Rican MJ is mentioned but not linked (Zion & Lennox, Wise (composer)). Jay (talk) 22:27, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to MJ per M Jay. Mj Rodriguez is also listed there and is a singer. I'd also be fine with keeping it as a redirect to Michael Jackson as the primary topic, but the required hatnote is a bit too awkward. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:23, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Substr quick
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Template:Substr quick → Template:Str sub old (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Substr_quick&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Obsolete template redirect - we don’t do long/fast/slow variants of every template any more. User:GKFXtalk 11:36, 26 April 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Keep, contains history that I'm inclined to keep. Harmless after all. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 04:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment probably should be transwikied to the Templates Wikia -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 01:47, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If this is only wanted for its page history and not useful as a redirect, we should probably remove the redirect and put historical on it like Template:Qif. User:GKFXtalk 07:42, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete. This is old pre-lua code. There is no significant history, nor can this piece of code even be copyrighted or need attribution. --Gonnym (talk) 18:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Str sub old/any
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Template:Str sub old/any">Template:Str sub old/any → Template:Str sub old (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Str_sub_old/any&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused template redirect User:GKFXtalk 11:32, 26 April 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Keep, contains history that I'm inclined to keep. Harmless after all. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 04:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment probably should be transwikied to the Templates Wikia -- 67.70.27.105 (talk) 01:47, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If this is only wanted for its page history and not useful as a redirect, we should probably remove the redirect and put historical on it like Template:Qif. User:GKFXtalk 07:42, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete. This is old pre-lua code. There is no significant history, nor can this piece of code even be copyrighted or need attribution. --Gonnym (talk) 18:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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G70 Shooting Brake
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Genesis G70.  ✗  plicit  05:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * G70 Shooting Brake → Genesis G70 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a useful redirect, especially without the company name included. For example, "911 Targa" does not redirect to the Porsche's page. MrsSnoozyTurtle (talk) 05:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Refine target to Genesis G70, which covers this specific model. I think this is a completely reasonable redirect and see no reason to delete it. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 08:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Refine per the IP editor. No other G70 is a car. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:21, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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Twitter crash
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Twitter.  ✗  plicit  05:49, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Twitter crash → Associated Press (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Current target does not seem to be the primary topic at all, rather searching produces a large number of mentions in the context of service outages for Twitter. Hog Farm Talk 04:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Current target is particularly inappropriate since the section title is wrong; there's nothing about a flash crash in the citation.   Dan Bloch (talk) 06:09, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The retargeting suggested below is fine too. Dan Bloch (talk) 22:57, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Twitter, which covers the behaviour of the site during a server outage. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 08:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the ip. Thryduulf (talk) 13:39, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the IP. -- dyl  x  16:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the last three votes  Zai  (💬 • 📝 • ⚡️) 22:34, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the last four !votes. I don't think it's a perfect target, but it's better than the search results IMO.  J947 's public account 00:49, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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PuffballsUnited
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