Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 20

May 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 20, 2021.

Moue
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 31%23Moue

Wuhan Flu Timeline
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 27%23Wuhan Flu Timeline

Filipino Traditional Food:Bagoong
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 31%23Filipino Traditional Food:Bagoong

PiB
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to PIB. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * PiB → Byte (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Might also refer to Pittsburgh compound B. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget, it makes more sense for a either a disambiguation page or use of an "X redirects here. for Y, see Y" template on Pittsburgh compound B since PiB currently redirects to a portion of an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UppercutPawnch (talk • contribs) 12:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Messed up my own opinion so I edited it to what I meant. UppercutPawnch (talk) 12:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Retarget to disambiguation page PIB is the cleanest option. —Kusma (t·c) 13:06, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget with hatnote to PIB. -- intgr [talk] 13:09, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * To where? Also, you removed my comment. Please be more careful. —Kusma (t·c) 14:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I deleted your post by accident :( it's been a while since I participated in Wikipedia. I originally thought retargeting to "Pittsburgh compound B" as proposed, but PIB disambig page makes more sense. -- intgr [talk] 11:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to PIB per Kusma. -- dyl  x  16:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to PIB per Kusma. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to PIB per above.  J947 's public account 22:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate retarget to the disambiguation page -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 02:24, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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Nascar racing
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to NASCAR. There also seems to be a consensus to retarget NASCAR Racing after doing something with the content currently there, but I will leave it to others who actually looked at that article to undertake that. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Nascar racing → NASCAR Racing (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While I am prepared to accept that the Papyrus simulations are the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the full capitalised version of the name; the uncapitalised redirect should almost certainly be retargeted to another page, such as "NASCAR", or "'NASCAR Cup Series", or "NASCAR rules and regulations". The creator of the redirect does not appear to have been active for over five years. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:05, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as a standard, but there should be a hatnote to other uses. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this qualifies for that, as the current usage seems likely to WP:ASTONISH readers, and is likely a WP:DIFFCAPS issue. Arguably "NASCAR racing" should be a disambiguation page. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep', the "This article is about X, for Y, see Y" is good enough in my book for this as as opposed to remaking a capitalization-based redirect into a disambiguation page. UppercutPawnch (talk) 12:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The problem is that there are a large number of different topics somebody could conceivably and reasonably expect "NASCAR racing" to refer to. Obviously there's the NASCAR Racing game series, but there's also NASCAR the sanctioning body, the page on NASCAR rules and regulations, the NASCAR Cup Series, the NASCAR Xfinity Series, the NASCAR Truck Series, the NASCAR Pinty's Series, the NASCAR Mexico Series, the EuroNASCAR series, the NASCAR Weekly Racing Series, the NASCAR Modified Tour, and the more general page on stock car racing. There are possibly others as well. Ultimately the game series is far less notable than many of those other subjects as well. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 14:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep and hatnote per Thryduulf. Dominicmgm (talk) 17:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a mess. Both NASCAR Racing and NASCAR Racing (video game) refer to the same video game title and its sequels, and there is also EA Sports NASCAR Racing about a video game which actually has a slightly different title. A Google search for "nascar racing" returns mostly results for the sanctioning body or its events, not the video game (except Wikipedia results). Notably, many sports publications refer to their coverage of "NASCAR racing", rather than just coverage of "NASCAR" or "NASCAR events" or formulations of that sort. This suggests that "NASCAR Racing" isn't sufficiently precise to refer to the video games. I suggest that NASCAR Racing and NASCAR Racing (video game) should be merged into one article at NASCAR Racing (Papyrus video game) with a hatnote to the EA title, then both Nascar racing and NASCAR Racing should be retargeted to NASCAR. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to NASCAR, or NASCAR rules and regulations. WP:ASTONISH is the guiding principle here. The average reader who types "nascar racing" into the search bar is looking for the article on NASCAR (or its rules), not a 30 year old video game/game series which hasn't had a new entry in 20 years. Redirecting to the video game with a hatnote is precisely backwards. Create NASCAR (disambiguation) and make a hatnote at NASCAR. Good lord. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to NASCAR per Axem. Searchers are looking for the company/sport, not the minor video game series. If this discussion wasn't live, I would boldly merge the current NASCAR Racing into List of NASCAR video games due to duplicative content and call it a day. We don't have enough coverage on the series as a distinct entity to warrant a dedicated article. czar  04:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Reading through I agree that there is little in the current NASCAR Racing article which wouldn't make more sense to be placed either at the List of NASCAR video games or the Papyrus Design Group article. Some of the content seems rather duplicative of the NASCAR Racing (video game) article. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to NASCAR and hatnote the target article.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
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Kwessely/Applied Spectral Imaging
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD - obviously created in error  . Thryduulf (talk) 10:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Kwessely/Applied Spectral Imaging → Applied Spectral Imaging (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely redirect, remnant of a wrong pagemove which should have been speedied at the time. Fram (talk) 09:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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Ye maaya chesave serial
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 27%23Ye maaya chesave serial

Adversarial input
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 27%23Adversarial input

Pirating
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Pirating → Pirate (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Piracy. The noun form (Pirate) redirects there, so I'm not sure why the gerund form doesn't.Dudhhr (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep or specify target as Pirate (disambiguation). "Pirating" could refer to the act of creating/downloading pirated music, DVDs, software, or video games, which are covered in different arrr-ticles (sorry). Google image search for "pirating" returns a range of subjects relating to copyright infringement, but without a clear primary topic. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 10:27, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, but Move Pirate (disambiguation) to the title Pirate. -- dyl  x  16:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep target as Pirate (disambiguation). Makes sense to redirect it to a page that talks about both piracy and software piracy. – Novem Linguae (talk) 04:15, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as is, "pirating" more commonly refers to copyright infringement, while "pirates" are maritime robbers. —Kusma (t·c) 18:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * And do not move Pirate (disambiguation) to Pirate without a fresh discussion. —Kusma (t·c) 18:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Blocking (Wikipedia)
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Lunchtime O'Boulez
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Chyalothrin
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Lance Weller
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Lance Weller → Battle of the Wilderness (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not discussed at target article. Appears to have written a novel with some content about this battle, but there isn't a strong enough connection between this battle and this modern novelist for this to be a good redirect. Hog Farm Talk 01:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming the book in question is Wilderness (Weller novel), which is also a redirect to that section. - Eureka Lott 02:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Keep. both redirects Weller and Wilderness (Weller novel). This author has written two books Amazon.com lists. One of them happens to be about a veteran of Battle of the Wilderness thirty years after the engagement. That's the entire linkage between the redirects (created about six years ago) and the target article. Based on a reasonable search unlikely either redirect subject would meet WP:GNG. Redirect creator (and still active editor) User:PamD has been contacted by the nominator about this discussion. Perhaps that contributor can shed additional light on these two redirects. BusterD (talk) 02:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * After explanation, reinsertion, review quotation and sourcing from PamD, changing to keep. Always glad to see improvement as opposed to the alternative. Every editor in this process is doing the right thing. I'm wondering whether the book and graphic novel ISBNs might do better service as citation as opposed to text that does appear to look like marketing compared to other entries. That's purely my opinion. BusterD (talk) 18:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'd wondered about keeping the publisher info as refs. I always prefer to include an ISBN alongside almost any mention of a book as it provides instant access to verification and info, but I'm aware that this is perhaps a minority preference! Perhaps the one editor who didn't "do the right thing" was the one who removed that publisher and ISBN info rather than making it into a reference, as it left the book "unsourced". Anyway, it's now retrieved. Yes, I'll tweak it now.  Pam  D  20:07, 20 May 2021 (UTC) Have tweaked: isbns and publishers now in refs.  Pam  D  20:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have now reinstated the mention of Weller's book at the target. Looking at the history, at the time when I created the redirects (5 August 2016) the target section included:
 * The American novel "Wilderness" by Lance Weller (2012, Bloomsbury, London-New Delhi- New York-Sydney, ISBN 978 1 4088 3172 4) portrays the cruel and relentless fighting during one of the bloodiest clashes of the American Civil War.
 * which had been added by an IP a couple of months earlier.
 * By Feb 2018 the ISBN had been linked, always useful as a sort of source for a book, but a March 2018 edit "Tone down marketing" removed the publisher and ISBN and most of the text, leaving a minimal listing which was then removed as unsourced in July 2019. And now reinstated, sourced.
 * I have a faint memory that I read this book with my book club, looked it up in Wikipedia, found it mentioned there and made appropriate redirects from author and title. Pam  D  07:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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Prngle manouver
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Prngle manouver → Pringle manoeuvre (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose deletion. Prngle manouver was originally created with an incorrectly spelled title by. Content was moved to Pringle_manoeuvre, a correctly spelled title, by. This particular misspelling in not common, with only 1 view of the page in the last 30 days. Bibeyjj (talk) 13:05, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - unlikely misspelling. Page was created at this title and moved 8 minutes later, 16 years ago. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 17:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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