Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 3

May 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 3, 2021.

Shelley Luther
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to 2020 Texas State Senate election. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 03:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Shelley Luther → COVID-19 pandemic in Texas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shelley_Luther&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect should be either deleted or written as its own article. Currently it amounts to juvenile mockery. Jesdisciple (talk) 20:39, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to 2020_Texas_State_Senate_election where mentioned. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per AngusWOOF. feminist (+) 06:27, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Sevmacs (ethnic group of North Macedonia)
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 03:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Sevmacs (ethnic group of North Macedonia) → Macedonians (ethnic group) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sevmacs_(ethnic_group_of_North_Macedonia)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Sevmaks (ethnic group of North Macedonia) → Macedonians (ethnic group) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sevmaks_(ethnic_group_of_North_Macedonia)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Normacs (ethnic group of North Macedonia) → Macedonians (ethnic group) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Normacs_(ethnic_group_of_North_Macedonia)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Normaks (ethnic group of North Macedonia) → Macedonians (ethnic group) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Normaks_(ethnic_group_of_North_Macedonia)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Recently created redirects from unsourced and unattested, potentially offensive neologisms. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:27, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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BarackRoll
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Hugh Atkin. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * BarackRoll → Rickrolling (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BarackRoll&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Barack Roll → Rickrolling (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Roll&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was created as an article, which was redirected per AfD, but is not currently explained at the target. The term is mentioned in multiple articles, but Hugh Atkin seems to be the best option. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:16, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Hugh Atkin (or Hugh Atkin) per nom. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 08:39, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Mets-Yankees rivalry
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 16%23Template:Mets-Yankees rivalry

Fear the Hunters
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 11%23Fear the Hunters

Professional agrologist
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 * The result of the discussion was Restored article  without prejudice to AfD. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Professional agrologist → Agriculturist (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Professional_agrologist&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A new redir has been placed at Professional agrologist, pointing to Agriculturist, while also leaving the original content in the former. Now, I'm no expert, but to me those don't look like they're the same thing, and as such I don't think the redir is justified (I would have said hatnotes or 'see also' could have been added instead). But rather than just remove the redir, I'm after second opinions here. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:59, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Restore article without prejudice to AfD per WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 00:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Restore article as above. The bold redirect was recent. This should then be discussed whether agrologist and agriculturalist should remain split or merged. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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Wild Wild West 2
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Wild Wild West 2 → Wild Wild West (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wild_Wild_West_2&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There was no Wild Wild West 2. Since the movie was a critical and financial failure there may never be. This is just pure WP:CRYSTAL material. Dominicmgm (talk) 09:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Agree. --Bsherr (talk) 17:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete the article doesn’t even mention a potential sequel and this can easily be recreated if for some reason they later decide to make one.--65.92.163.98 (talk) 03:20, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:MANDARINS
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  .  ✗  plicit  11:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * MANDARINS → Wikipedia:No vested contributors (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:MANDARINS&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As far as I can tell, there is no mention of "mandarins" within the target article. Kokopelli7309 (talk) 22:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep per the previous nomination. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 22:57, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:05, 25 April 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom; the redirect doesn't seem very natural. Tamwin (talk) 19:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per nom. -- dylx  (<b style="color:hotpink;">t</b> &#124; <b style="color:hotpink;">c</b>) 12:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, best not to delete old shortcuts. It's been used. Note this short discussion over this redirect. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Str rt
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Template:Str rep all
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Template:Str rep all → Template:Replace (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Str_rep_all&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused template redirect. User:GKFXtalk 07:16, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep it does what it says, it is the complement to Str rep which allows replacement of all instances. Therefore it is useful in relation to the naming of the other function, "Str rep" atleast for searching -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 15:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete. This was from before Lua modules, now not needed ( does the job and is well documented, also wrt number of replacements). Extra names is needlessly confusing. - (creator) DePiep (talk) 14:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep. I agree that the relation to Template:Str rep makes the case for preserving the redirect. --Bsherr (talk) 20:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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Tinkling
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Damien Monteith
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Damien Monteith → Damien (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Damien_Monteith&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Originally linked to a list where the name linked to another list, which linked back to the first list ... T*U (talk) 07:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Indeed, not functional. --Bsherr (talk) 17:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete no notable person of such a name. Searches point to a random engineer person or the Glee cast members Damian McGinty and Cory Monteith  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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Casio Value Stores
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Casio Value Stores → Consolidated Mail Outpatient Pharmacy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casio_Value_Stores&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No connection to the target article established. Additions to the target article were completely unsourced and without any credibility. T*U (talk) 07:29, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No history to indicate how this connects with the pharmacy, and could be likely confused with CVS Pharmacy. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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Cory Murphy (film producer)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Cory Murphy (film producer)">Cory Murphy (film producer) → Film (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cory_Murphy_(film_producer)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, and there is no indication that anything about the term could be learned from the target article. Originally created to avoid redlink in a list article, instead sending user on a wild goose chase. T*U (talk) 07:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agreed, this should be a red link. --Bsherr (talk) 20:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy G3 questioning original creating editor on whether this is even real. See Fandom entry https://imdb.fandom.com/wiki/Cory_Murphy_(film_producer) and note how the birthdays are out of whack.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage an article, if appropriate. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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James Groening (film producer)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  10:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="James Groening (film producer)">James Groening (film producer) → Film (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Groening_(film_producer)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, and there is no indication that anything about the term could be learned from the target article. Originally created to avoid redlink in a list article, instead sending user on a wild goose chase. T*U (talk) 07:17, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agreed, this should be a red link. --Bsherr (talk) 20:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy G2 or G3 questioning original creating editor on whether this is even real. See Fandom entry https://imdb.fandom.com/wiki/James_Groening_(film_producer) "in 1917, he's born in The United States of America. in 1967, he has grown up to become a Supervising Executive Music Producer of His Filmography for themselves." Obvious test filler.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete to encourage an article, if appropriate. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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James Groening
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  11:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * James Groening → James (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Groening&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, and there is no indication that anything about the term could be learned from the target article. T*U (talk) 07:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agreed, this should be a red link. --Bsherr (talk) 20:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy G3 questioning original creating editor on whether this is even real. See Fandom entry https://imdb.fandom.com/wiki/James_Groening_(film_producer) AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:30, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirecting to a disambiguation page is clearly inappropriate. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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Data West
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  11:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Data West → Bandai Namco Entertainment (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Data_West&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, and there is no indication that anything about the term could be learned from the target article. T*U (talk) 07:13, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as not a subsidiary of Bandai Namco. See https://www.siliconera.com/data-west-to-return-to-video-game-industry-with-digital-rereleases-and-sequels/ AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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DATA WEST
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  11:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * DATA WEST → Bandai Namco Entertainment (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DATA_WEST&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, and there is no indication that anything about the term could be learned from the target article. T*U (talk) 07:11, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as not a subsidiary of Bandai Namco. See https://www.siliconera.com/data-west-to-return-to-video-game-industry-with-digital-rereleases-and-sequels/ AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:44, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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PG-13
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . No clear consensus between the status quo and alternative targets. One of the participants also raised concerns about the framing of this discussion, so it may be pertinent to continue discussion on the talk page. signed,Rosguill talk 19:04, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * PG-13 → Motion picture content rating system (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PG-13&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target had been Motion Picture Association film rating system which is US only. New target does cover many countries, but it is sort-of a list article. Looking at PG-13 (disambiguation), I think that is a better "target", so I propose moving the dab to the base name. Note that PG13 already redirects to the dab. It makes sense that PG13/PG-13 go to the same place. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 04:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I have no objections in principle to this but I have temporarily reverted the change, because the incoming links need to be addressed first. As https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/PG-13 shows, there are a substantial number of incoming links that clearly relate to the only the MPAA film rating. was lazy in changing the redirect and not addressing the incoming links. Readers who follow this link expect exposition on the US film rating, since they are following links from articles about American films. I suggest a solution along the following lines:
 * 1) Move PG-13 to PG-13 (Motion Picture Association). This will mirror the solution at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=R_rating_(Motion_Picture_Association)&redirect=no.
 * 2) This will create a double redirect that the Wikipedia software will automatically correct after a few days.
 * 3) Once the software fixes the double redirect then move PG-13 (disambiguation) to PG-13.
 * Betty Logan (talk) 08:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I have restored the redirect as it was, targets should not be changed while there is an open RFD. I also found there were only 100 articles involved and ran them through AWB to re-target those that were clearly about US rated motion pictures. Now there are only about a dozen left which should go to the dab. No need for the round-robin move discussed above. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 15:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I have restored the long-standing redirect. This redirect has redirected to Motion Picture Association film rating system since its creation 17 years ago, before it was altered earlier to day. I have restored this redirect because it affects all the incoming links. The discussion should come before changing the redirect, not after it. Betty Logan (talk) 15:19, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You are confusing the situation. The target listed at the very top of this discussion is incorrect because you changed the target AFTER the discussion was started. This is not the correct procedure. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 15:39, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The procedure is to start the discussion before changing the link, not after. The change you are proposing is a no-brainer on your terms, because none of the incoming links should redirect to the new link. If there is to be a discussion it should be about the long-standing link, which is potentially a primary topic. I actually support your proposal but the discussion should be about the original link. Only two editors have responded so far so you can easily fix the proposal, or alternatively you can close it and start a new one. Betty Logan (talk) 16:05, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * NOTE I believe this discussion is being conducted in poor faith. This is the sequence of events:
 * This redirect was created in 2003 and until today has always redirected to Motion_Picture_Association_film_rating_system, because the MPA PG-13 rating was considered the primary topic for a long time. It had a substantial number of incoming links that explicitly referred to the MPA's PG-13 rating.
 * Earlier today, this page was redirected to Motion picture content rating system without discussion, and without addressing all the incoming links.
 * A discussion was started here by proposing the disambiguation page at PG-13 (disambiguation) is moved to the base name.
 * I restored the redirect to the WP:STATUSQUO but this has been reverted by MB (see ) on the pretext of this discussion.
 * However, I believe this discussion should take place in the context of the long-standing (17 years-old) redirect. A discussion about a redirect to Motion picture content rating system is a fundamentally different discussion to one about a redirect to a potential primary topic atMotion_Picture_Association_film_rating_system. This pretext that we must conduct the discussion on a false premise because it has already "started" is a very poor reason IMO. Since only two people have engaged in this discussion the proposal can easily be fixed. This redirect has been in place for 17 years, potentially redirects to a primary topic and should be discussed on those terms IMO. Betty Logan (talk) 15:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Further comment In a nutshell I believe the real issue is whether the MPA's PG-13 rating covered at Motion_Picture_Association_film_rating_system is the primary topic from those outlined at PG-13 (disambiguation). For 17 years until this morning when the redirect was changed the rating was considered the primary topic. However, 17 years is a long time and more articles covering various PG-13 ratings have been added to Wikipedia. In view of these extra topics is it still correct to treat the MPA rating as the primary topic, or as MB suggests replace the redirect with the disambiguation page. Despite my disagreement with MB over how the discussion has been conducted I do agree with the proposal; I think the MPA ratings article will still get the bulk of the incoming traffic because of the focus on English-language films on Wikipedia (especially Hollywood productions) but I think if there was balanced coverage then there probably wouldn't be a primary topic. Betty Logan (talk) 16:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I came here because I just created PG-13. I suppose redirecting to PG-13 (disambiguation) is reasonable. I suppose redirecting to Motion Picture Association film rating system is also reasonable. Both are better than the currently broken redirect because of this discussion. I have to oppose a redirect to Motion Picture Association film rating system because of the section hatnote placement: you don't see the hatnote when using the PG-13 anchor. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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Joe Allen (restaurateur)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Consensus that this is an alternate spelling of the word. Target to avoid double redirect. (non-admin closure) Bsherr (talk) 05:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Joe Allen (restaurateur)">Joe Allen (restaurateur) → Joe Allen (restauranteur) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joe_Allen_(restaurateur)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per R3; page title created in error. I moved the redirect to the "correct" title prior to nominating this redirect. Sean Stephens (talk) 03:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, harmless. R3 doesn't apply because this redirect was created by a page move. As an aside, please don't move redirects. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 05:00, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing any evidence that this redirect was in fact created by a page move. created this in February as it shows in the original page history, prior to the move that was done by the nom. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It absolutely, 100%, was created by a page move. It's just a bit confusing. Think about an article title being moved. A redirect is left at the old title. This is the same scenario but more confusing. The speedy deletion was out of line. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:42, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Restaurateur is the normal spelling of the word., is oddly enough, the misspelling (or odd alternative term). I didn't know that. (or any admin who comes across this), please undelete as this redirect is the correct title. Ah, shit. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I had no idea that the disambiguator in the original title was spelt correctly (otherwise I'd never have nominated it). Someone please undo the damage I've caused. As an aside, "restauranteur" is the correct spelling where I'm from, so it's possibly just an English variation. I'm not fussed as to whether we keep or delete the new redirect, so long as it's in the best interests of Wikipedia. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:02, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, definitely not your fault. I would've spelt it like that as well so maybe it's an Australasian thing. The new redirect should be kept at the very least as a common alternative term, whether misnomer or not. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:35, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for showing good faith, it's not something I'm used to around here anymore. I agree with your suggestion, sound like a good idea. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I've reopened this discussion as the redirect has now been restored. I personally have no opinion on whether we should keep this redirect or not, but I guess it could be useful to see if other editors are willing to provide any further input. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:14, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wiktionary lists "restaurateur" and "restauranteur" as alternative spellings of the same word with a note part of which says that the spelling with an "n" "is considered erroneous by some, and the form restaurateur (without the n) is preferred in formal writing, and especially in the United Kingdom." so regardless of which title the article is at the other should redirect there tagged as in the same way that Aqua (colour) redirects to Aqua (color). Thryduulf (talk) 11:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect both to Joe Allen (restaurant) now that both are acceptable alternative spellings. The RM/TR to fix it up to restaurateur was declined. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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M178'
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  06:16, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * M178' → Mercedes-AMG (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M178%27&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Not sure what the apostrophe on the end is for, but the Mercedes engine is just M178, and is covered in Mercedes-Benz M176/M177/M178 engine anyway. M178 already exists. This is just confusing. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 01:32, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Obvious typo, no branding with the apostrophe. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:33, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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