Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 4

November 4
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 4, 2021.

Saadiah (Q20452771)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Saadiah (Q20452771) → Saadiah (actress) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 4 EthanGaming7640 (talk) 21:19, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per G6: Page was clearly created in error. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 21:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete: This redirect is obviously a mistake. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 22:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete slowly. This isn't useful but there is no evidence that this was created in error and CSD G6 does not apply per Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 November 5. Thryduulf (talk) 22:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that someone copied the title line of Q20452771, having accessed that in the course of copying some content from ms:Saadiah. The 2019 precedent concerned a variety of circumstances under which a redirect could be created with this sort of title, and I think it'd be one thing if an experienced user created this because they were explicitly of the opinion that a Wikidata ID makes a good disambiguator. But in a case like this I think it's safe to assume error. (After all, anytime we G6 as erroneous there's some level of assumption involved. It's always possible that someone thought their username is supposed to be part of the article's title, or that there isn't supposed to be a colon after, etc.)  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 23:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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CA-SCR-177: Oldest Human Settlement in Scotts Valley, Central California
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * CA-SCR-177: Oldest Human Settlement in Scotts Valley, Central California → CA-SCR-177 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

r from move from an implausible title, moved after only 6 days. The subtitle only appears in mirrors. Pageviews already dying down. (Any page in the NewPagesFeed will always be getting some.) Delete as implausible. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 21:11, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: No one will ever search for this. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 22:19, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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Melon fruit
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 12%23Melon fruit

Melon (color)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 12%23Melon (color)

Nb2O3
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Nb2O3 → Niobium pentoxide (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not described at target. Mentioned at Nanogeoscience and the Glossary of chemical formulae. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete to form red link and treat the molecular formula the same as Niobium(III) oxide, with the goal of encouraging article creation. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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CLO2
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to ClO2.  ✗  plicit  03:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * CLO2 → Chlorine dioxide (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Apparently a miscapitalisation. Not sure if this is plausible, but if yes, should probably be retargeted to ClO2. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Plausible in that I typed this miscapitalization and, when I wasn't redirected, I created the article. (Note that proper capitalization requires a properly coordinated lift of the Shift key; possible to mistime.)


 * If retargeting to ClO2 is the policy, then go ahead. SSSheridan (talk) 00:22, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Retarget to ClO2 per nom and add the R from miscapitalization template. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to ClO2 User:力 (powera, π,  ν ) 00:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
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NaCuO2
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * NaCuO2 → Cuprate (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not specifically described at target; only mention on-wiki appears to be at Pseudo Jahn–Teller effect. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete unless mentioned at target. I don't think it would worthwhile to retarget to the page where it is mentioned, as so little information about it may be found there, and the accompanying LiCuO2 does not have a redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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BaMnO3
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * BaMnO3 → Barium manganate (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target; only search result on-wiki is some tabular data at Lattice constant. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This redirect is an attempt to help readers who have a slightly mistaken idea of what they are looking for.  The redirect seems harmless at worst but probably helpful. People forget an exact formula (BaMnO4).--Smokefoot (talk) 17:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete One oxygen is all the difference between sulfite and sulfate. What we have here is more similar to lanthanum manganite. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 18:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per LaundryPizza03. The correct BaMnO4 exists. It's not like we have a R from incorrect molecular formula rcat, and having such redirects can lead to confusion. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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The Mafia
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Mafia. Hog Farm Talk 15:33, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The Mafia → Sicilian Mafia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect to Mafia. It seems like a good idea to redirect "The Something" to "Something" when they're related, and obviously these are related. On the other hand, The Mafia is also related to the current target. What's better? 74.98.192.38 (talk) 14:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget. Although the Sicilian Mafia are the most common group referred in results for a google search for "The Mafia" excluding Wikipedia, it's not quite primary as the New York Mafia, and (Italian) mafias in general also get hits. Thryduulf (talk) 15:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Mafia: This is the main topic. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 22:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Mafia since there’s no evidence that the Sicilian Mafia is the primary topic (more likely to be searched than any other reverent topics combined).--67.70.100.169 (talk) 23:24, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Mafia per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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Alexander Kochetov
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Aleksandr Kochetov. Hog Farm Talk 15:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Alexander Kochetov → Talk:Aleksandr Kochetov (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect to a talk page. It should either be retargeted from the talk page to the corresponding article or deleted per WP:R2. Stefan2 (talk) 13:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Obvious mistake, should go to the article, no need for a big discussion and tag bombing.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 13:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * 'Retarget to Aleksandr Kochetov. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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Experimental treatment of androgenic alopecia
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:57, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Experimental treatment of androgenic alopecia → Management of hair loss (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Remnants of a hopeless article, now fortunately redirected elsewhere by, but the name still popping up in Wikipedia search and whenever searching for "experimental treatment" in the Visual Editor's link function. Since I quite often have to wikilink "experimental treatment" in various articles, this has become annoying. Needless to say, the redirect is not linked to from mainspace and is certainly not a popular search term. — kashmīrī  <sup style="color:#80f;font:'Candara';">TALK  21:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as a . Content from this article was merged into the target and at least some of it seems to still be there, so this is required for attribution purposes. It also had 77 pages views this year before the RfD nomination showing it is actually getting some use. Thryduulf (talk) 22:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The page had one incoming link from mainspace, which I now removed. There should be no more visits. Need of retaining attribution is a valid point, though. — kashmīrī  <sup style="color:#80f;font:'Candara';">TALK  10:21, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  02:25, 23 October 2021 (UTC) <p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: moving to a subpage of Talk:Management of hair loss should be sufficient for attribution. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 03:04, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but why would we want to? People are using this search term and the target contains relevant material. Thryduulf (talk) 08:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seems an unlikely search and this shows 2 user views in 2021. Winston (talk) 02:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC) Wrong redirect woops. Winston (talk) 07:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Is there anything about the topic at the target article? Nothing is explicitly labeled experimental, and I'm not knowledgeable about the topic enough to say if any of the treatments therein are. Assuming "androgenic" means "in men", I can live with that assumption. It may be better to preserve the history by moving the redirect to a more helpful term, such as Hair loss management. --BDD (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I read the section Management of hair loss to be about treatments that could informally be described as "experimental". Wikt:andogrenic defines the word as meaning "Of, relating to, or being an androgen.", a hormone that is (typically) present at much higher levels in men than women. Thryduulf (talk) 21:53, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. Revisit later to check the usage now that the incoming link has been removed. Jay (talk) 17:51, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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Kate Miller
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . Tagged as G7 by the redirect creator. clpo13(talk) 16:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Kate Miller → Kate Miller-Heidke (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is causing errors and confusion. It was created following an AfD for Kate Miller Articles_for_deletion/Kate_Miller resulting in deletion. The problem is that now the AfD for the non-notable Kate Miller "points" to the notable Kate Miller-Heidke which is wrong. It also causes errors in the Deletion log which also points to the wrong Kate Miller - see here:. I'm unclear how to correct this and reached out to the redirect creator who told me to "take it to RfD". Netherzone (talk) 01:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – Kate Miller-Heidke is never referred to as Kate Miller. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. A search on Google books revealed that there are some people called "Kate Miller" mentioned in books (none of them were the actress who was the subject of the former Wikipedia article).  Maybe someone will want to write an article on one of those other Kate Millers.  Kate Miller-Heidke is not Kate Miller, so it is unhelpful to have a redirect to Kate Miller-Heidke. -- Toddy1 (talk) 09:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – Not a name used by the target. The sole purpose seems to be to impede the re-creation of a recently deleted biography. Cabayi (talk) 10:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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Faculty of computer science & information system
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:22, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Faculty of computer science & information system">Faculty of computer science & information system → University of Technology Malaysia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Faculty of computer science and information system → University of Technology Malaysia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target and potentially ambiguous anyway. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:11, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * delete - term seems excessively vague to only point to one academic institution. Jessamyn (talk) 02:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - too vague. — curious  Golden  call me maybe? 06:37, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete i agree it's way too vague.Leomk0403 (talk) 12:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep! It may seem too vague, but it looks like UTM is the only university in the world to have had faculty of this name (renamed in 2013). There's no rule against having redirects from titles that could refer to lots of things, if in practice they only refer to one thing. Plus the singular "system" makes this an unlikely search term for someone looking for some generic CS faculty. I have added the previous name to the target article.Also note that I'm bundling '. If this RfD is closed as keep, I'll create ' and categorize both as avoided double redirects to it. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 21:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not entirely true. A quick search reveals a faculty at October 6 University with the same name, and another one at Helwan University. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: These titles are too broad. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 22:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have a response to my point that they aren't? --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 23:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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