Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 7

November 7
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 7, 2021.

Mount St. Halenas
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 16%23Mount St. Halenas

Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron Is Getting Problematic
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 16%23Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron Is Getting Problematic

Genet. Couns.
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  11:43, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Genet. Couns. → Journal of Genetic Counseling (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The ISO 4 journal abbreviation for this journal is ''J. Genet. Couns. The abbreviation Genet. Couns.'' is for a different journal, and this is a misleading redirect.

This should have been speedily deleted, but User:GB fan insisted that it wasn't, so here we are. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't insist on anything. I removed an WP:R3 speedy deletion tag from the redirect, stating that it wasn't recently created.  This redirect was here for just under 14 years.  ~ GB fan 10:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:05, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Misleading redirect. --Randykitty (talk) 08:46, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. — curious  Golden  call me maybe? 11:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This redirect is misleading. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 01:08, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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Wīwī
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 15%23Wīwī

Template:Prober name
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  11:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Template:Prober name → Template:Not a typo (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Request deletion of Template:Prober name as an unlikely misspelling. The B and P keys are typed with opposite hands and opposite fingers. The Wikipedia report of unused templates is the only page linked to the redirect. &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 18:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as an unlikely misspelling. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 21:09, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete ber nom and Ruppish combuter. Why would we need this if the broberly formatted Template:Proper name exists? Regards, SONIC   678  23:49, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - I don't see any harm in keeping it. It is unlikely for someone to misspell it like that, but it's still a possibility. — curious  Golden  call me maybe? 11:52, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This misspelling is improbable. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 01:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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Minecraft: The Movie (2019 film)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 15%23Minecraft: The Movie (2019 film)

Salah Uddin
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Salah ad-Din (name). (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 01:47, 21 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Salah Uddin → Muhammad Salah-ud-din (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As this appears to be a variant of Salah ad-Din (name), and [ there are] multiple articles with titles containing this name, I think it should point there and not to any specific person. – Rummskartoffel 10:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk!</b> 11:14, 29 October 2021 (UTC) <p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Still unclear which page this should be retargeted to. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)  16:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CHEAP, or convert into a dab page.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 10:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. A separate disambiguation page is probably not wise, since there are multiple legitimate ways to transliterate this name from Arabic. --BDD (talk) 17:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Saladin (disambiguation) consistent with Salah ud-Din. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above, if this is just an alternative transliteration for the same name then it shouldn't be treated differently.  Hut 8.5  19:08, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * To Salah ad-Din (name) per nom and BDD, or to Saladin (disambiguation) per Shhhnotsoloud? --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 04:46, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Either really, I don't personally see why those are separate pages.  Hut 8.5  09:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I have since [ noticed] that most other variants redirect to Saladin (disambiguation). It makes no sense for some variants to point to one page and some to another, so maybe it should be retargeted there instead. On the other hand, more variants seem to point to Muhammad (name) [] than to Muhammad (disambiguation) [], or to Ahmad [] than to Ahmad (disambiguation) [], so maybe all the other redirects should be changed instead. What's the convention here? – <span style="font-weight:normal;background:linear-gradient(90deg,#e40303,#ff8c00,#ffed00,#008026,#004dff,#750787);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text;">Rummskartoffel 17:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Salah ud-Din should also point to Salah ad-Din (name), and not to Saladin (disambiguation). Jay (talk) 06:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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11430
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  11:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * 11430 → John F. Kennedy International Airport (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Highly implausible search term, people are highly unlikely to search the airport's zip code looking for the airport. It could WP:ASTONISH someone that might have expected for a non-existent article on the number 11,430. As far as I know it is not standard practice to redirect postal codes to the areas they represent. (JayPlaysStuff &#124; talk to me &#124; What I've been up to) 13:56, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. The probability of anyone actually searching that term as a number is very low, so it would not violate WP:ASTONISH, but there aren't really that much views to the redirect to begin with. "11430" isn't even mentioned in the airport article either, and per WP:R number 8 this zip code would be very unlikely to be searched in any context. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: If it had significance, it would appear in the article's infobox. Currently, the only appearances of "11430" are in three citation  parameters. &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 19:40, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is also the post code for Gruissan in France; the INSEE code for Villeneuve-la-Comptal, France; the ID of a house mouse gene ; a minor planet - 11430 Lodewijkberg; the area code for Jatipulo, Indonesia; the number of the NOAA wilderness chart covering Everglades Wilderness Waterway and likely other things too. All of these are mentioned in the infobox and/or article text, meaning that they are marginally better targets but it's still not a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 20:49, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Insignificant value to the article. --► Sincerely:  Sola virum  19:26, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Honestly, no one will ever search for this. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 01:15, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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تونس
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Tunisia. WP:SNOW closure. (non-admin closure) feminist (+) 07:37, 13 November 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="تونس">تونس → Tunis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't know Arabic but I checked Arabic Wikipedia and found that ar:تونس refers to Tunisia rather than Tunis. I think it has the same name for the city and the country, but if so, the city must not be a primary topic. Sun8908 &#8239;Talk 13:46, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, the redirect is already questionable since it's in a foreign language (see WP:RFFL) and since there seems to be ambiguity between the country Tunisia and the city Tunis, it's better to delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JayPlaysStuff (talk • contribs) 13:59, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What WP:RFFL actually says: Examples of appropriate non-English redirects include: Original or official names of people, places, institutions, publications or products. Ambiguous foreign-language terms are either disambiguated (see e.g. Category:Disambiguation pages with Chinese character titles) or pointed to their WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT and hatnoted just like any other terms. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 15:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tunisia as WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 15:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tunisia per the 61 IP and WP:RFOREIGN to correspond with the Arabic Wikipedia. Regards, SONIC   678  15:41, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tunisia per Sonic and the IP editor. Thryduulf (talk) 20:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tunisia per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tunisia: This is the main topic. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 01:16, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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Bombe (Wolaita) (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay (talk) 17:31, 18 November 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Bombe (Wolaita) (disambiguation)">Bombe (Wolaita) (disambiguation) → Bombe (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

created for the hatnote in Bombe (Wolaita) - no longer needed and not likely to be used. Leschnei (talk) 13:42, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Unnecessary redirect with a double disambiguator. Should've been tagged for speedy deletion since it was recently created. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 12:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
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MU Cephei
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . The discussion has not definitively established whether "MU Cephei" refers primarily to Mu Cephei or a different star. However, the discussion has established that either they are the same star and so the redirect is redundant; or it refers to a star that has no coverage on Wikipedia and so the redirect is unhelpful. Both possibilities point towards deletion as the best outcome. Deryck C. 13:47, 23 November 2021 (UTC)


 * MU Cephei → List of stars in Cepheus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target, and all other search results on the English Wikipedia appear to be about Mu Cephei. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:07, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Mu Cephei originally pointed to Mu Cephei but was retargeted in 2017 by Lithopsian, with the edit summary, "MU Cephei is not the same star as μ Cephei." --Paul_012 (talk) 22:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Two different stars. The star MU Cephei is also a variable star (hence the MU), but a Cepheid and much fainter than the naked-eye Mu (μ) Cephei.  Seems like it would be highly misleading to redirect to μ Cephei without any explanation in that article, and I'm not sure that explanations there about a typographical anomaly would be appropriate.  Quite a common issue though, so maybe there is somewhere about stellar nomenclature that discusses this and MU Cep would be mentioned as an example?  Or just delete it, we don't generally have redirects for non-notable stars.  It probably isn't independently notable although it has been included as one of many in quite a few papers about Cepheids.  There is one paper focused on MU Cep and just one other star, but I think that's it.  Lithopsian (talk) 11:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What may have meant to say was: MU Cephei originally pointed to Mu Cephei...  Jay (talk) 05:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep "μ" is listed at the target page. If the variable star designation were to be added to the list, then both could be listed. As it is now, it works for people looking for "mu Cephei", while not misleading people looking for "MU Cephei" into believing that that "μ Cephei" is "MU Cephei" -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Seriously? 🪐Kepler-1229b &#124; talk &#124; contribs🪐 23:44, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a serious discussion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:35, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete or keep (don't retarget). The categories on the redirect page apply to a different star, which would probably occupy the title per WP:DIFFCAPS if it had an article. It shouldn't be retargeted to μ, which would be a misleading redirect from incorrect capitalisation. --Paul_012 (talk) 02:50, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I found the info using SIMBAD. It is for that particular star and not another. 🪐Kepler-1229b &#124; talk &#124; contribs🪐 15:53, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Out of curiosity here... if this is a different star, what would the catalogue entry for it be? &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:15, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? 🪐Kepler-1229b &#124; talk &#124; contribs🪐 18:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If Mu and MU are two different stars, they should have two different catalogue/database numbers. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:34, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * "MU Cephei" is a variable star designation, "&mu; Cephei" (mu Cephei) is a Bayer designation;; however I will note that a theoretical "M Cepehi" and "m Cephei" would both be Bayer designations for different stars, one lowercased, one uppercased. There is only lowercased Greek letters in Bayer, so there is no Mu/mu distinction, and variable star designations only use uppercase Latin letters. -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 11:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * They are different stars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kepler-1229b (talk • contribs) 18:32, 9 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as not mentioned at target per nom, as non-notable per Lithopsian, and as potentially confusing with μ Cephei per Paul. Jay (talk) 05:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per others above. Not mentioned at target, so no point in keeping. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Jay's summary of the problems. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:35, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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Draft:Don
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  11:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Draft:Don → Don (upcoming film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect no longer makes sense as the target is at its proper location — DaxServer (talk) 10:27, 30 October 2021 (UTC) <p class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  13:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep to avoid breaking links, and causes no harm. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)  23:23, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep. Any proposal to delete redirects from draft publications should be an RfC, not the RfD of a single redirect. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 05:00, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, there is no longer any such draft by that name. Also, Don is ambiguous and the redirect does not attempt to disambiguate which Don this may be. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:37, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RDRAFT. That the title of the draft and the title of the published article are no exact matches is not relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 09:28, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RDRAFT. It doesn't matter that the target was moved, the page history remains the same. Curbon7 (talk) 01:46, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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General Education
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 * The result of the discussion was Procedural close. This be being discussed at Talk:General Education (film)  . Thryduulf (talk) 20:54, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * General Education → General education (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

With the capitalization, may be more likely to refer to the film (currently at General Education (film)), but there's still the more generic concept relating to (and redirecting to) curriculum. Thoughts? &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Discuss RM: Currently, General Education exists as a double-redirect (WP:2R) due to miscapitalisation. General education redirects to Curriculum, which is sufficient for the redirect. A requested move General Education (film) → General Education (no redirect) is in progress at Talk:General Education (film). &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 20:53, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * General Education → General education (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

With the capitalization, may be more likely to refer to the film (currently at General Education (film)), but there's still the more generic concept relating to (and redirecting to) curriculum. Thoughts? &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


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