Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 28

October 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 28, 2021.

Legal requirement in England
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . clpo13(talk) 22:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Legal requirement in England → English law (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Was created to fix red link, but that red link no longer exists. This is not a common phrase that someone would type in to get to English law. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 18:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per WP:CHEAP Qwerfjkl  talk  19:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not a redirect I think should be created, as piping to the target would be more appropriate, but since it already exists, it seems properly targeted and no benefit will come from deletion. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague so as to defer to search results. I am persuaded by Tamzin's comments below that the way this is worded could refer to many contexts, and various things come up in search results on WP, so let's defer to those (though I agree this is an unlikely search term). Mdewman6 (talk) 01:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. This phrase is confusing enough that it could refer to any number of things, and I don't think English law is one of them. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 22:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Tamzin Like what? &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  17:22, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Literally any topic in English law where some entity is required to do something. You can see and  for the range of examples. (Add   if desired to filter out the focus on mask mandates etc.) There's legal requirements that apply to employers, to schools, to license-holders, to the state. In a vacuum, the title makes me think of some requirement that students in some course learn about the law (like a "language requirement" or "math(s) requirement"). Meanwhile the word "requirement" doesn't appear once at the current target. I'm not sure why anyone would be searching this to begin with, but if they do, they won't find anythng helpful at the current target.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 17:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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Megalomania
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 13%23Megalomania

Australia (film, Untitled Kevin Feige Star Wars film and You Don't Know Jack: The Irreverent Collection
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 * The result of the discussion was multiple results:


 * Delete Australia (film
 * Retarget Untitled Kevin Feige Star Wars film to List of Star Wars films
 * Keep You Don't Know Jack: The Irreverent Collection clpo13(talk) 22:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Australia (film → Australia (2008 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Kevin Feige Star Wars film → List of Star Wars films (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * You Don't Know Jack: The Irreverent Collection → You Don't Know Jack (franchise) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I would like these deleted because no articles by these names exist. - fixed by Qwerfjkl  talk  14:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I took the liberty of (re-)merging these discussions here. Hopefully that helps. Regards, SONIC   678  18:08, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Australia (film as a malformed redirect. Retarget Untitled Kevin Feige Star Wars film to List of Star Wars films, where it's discussed. The You Don't Know Jack collection was formerly mentioned at the target, but the list of compilations was removed from the article in April. - Eureka Lott 00:09, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete #1, Retarget #2, exactly per Eureka. Delete #3 as unhelpful without a mention. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:24, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * #s 1&2 per Eureka, weak keep #3. I think an r without mention is tolerable here since it's a closely-related target with a closely-related name. If someone types that in and gets the article on the overall franchise, I think they've gotten something decently close to what they were looking for even if that exact compilation is not mentioned. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 22:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
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FlyingKitty
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Any similar redirects will need to be listed on their own. --BDD (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

FlyingKitty is a highly active YouTuber, and is more than just Youtube Rewind 2018. But I don't think they are notable either, so I propose that this redirect be deleted, as there is no apparent purpose. 98.179.127.59 (talk) 00:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * FlyingKitty → YouTube Rewind 2018: Everyone Controls Rewind (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * New nominations go to the top of the page, not the bottom, I have just corrected this. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 98.179.127.59 (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think notability applies for redirects. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  06:25, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe it effectively does. Otherwise there would be a LOT of tangential redirects and the redirect system would be bloated. Winston (talk) 02:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:N does not apply to redirects. E. g., contains almost exclusively redirects from topics not notable on their own. WP:RPURPOSE lists several categories of non-notable redirect. Paradoctor (talk) 23:38, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @Paradoctor I believe I was referring to the general concept of notability. One can think in terms of "absolute" notability and "relative" notability. It's true that the usefulness of a redirect is not determined by absolute notability but rather its utilityof which a part is determined by what I would call relative notability. The more absolutely notable something is, the more likely it is relatively notable to some existing article if it does not have its own, but the point is that the more notable a term is relative to its target article, the more likely it is to be created and considered a valid redirect for that article.
 * For example, it makes sense to redirect Palm leaves to Arecaceae, but not to Christmas tree. Apparently, palm leaves have some absolute notability, but not enough for someone to have created an article for it. Relative to the article Arecaceae, it apparently has enough notability to deserve a redirect. Meanwhile, it has zero relative notability to Christmas trees and everyone would agree that's not a valid redirect (even if the article for palm trees didn't exist). Often the reason given for deleting a redirect is that it's not mentioned in the article (or its mention is insignificant, as in this case). This is essentially saying that the redirect is not relatively notable enough with respect to the target article. You could even generalize and say that absolute notability is just notability relative to users of Wikipedia. Winston (talk) 09:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirects are not articles. It may happen that a notable topic is a redirect, but such a situation should not be permanent. Paradoctor (talk) 13:10, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Paradoctor and Hi all, I would like to clarify that by notability, I meant that this could not be turned into an article. Since the redirect is only pointing at a small part of his work, and it can't be made into an article, I decided to file this RFD. Regards, 98.179.127.59 (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Most redirects can't be turned into article e.g. Gardeners. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  07:14, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up. 98.179.127.59 (talk) 03:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete regardless of notability, Wikipedia discusses two different videos in which he appears. Search results are more informative than a redirect to just one of those videos. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 07:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: if this is deleted, I created a few similar redirects at WP:AFCRC they should also be deleted. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  20:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Qwerfjkl Can you list them and/or add them to the nomination please? User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)  16:12, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @1234qwer1234qwer4 Most of them are here or in earlier archives. I'll try to create a list, but it may take some time. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  17:39, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Most of these might be dubious. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  17:50, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * some of . Mostly (and other IPs around that range) nominated them. &#8213;  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:05, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for uninhibited search and a potential standalone article. Jay (talk) 17:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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List of Freeways length
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  11:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * List of Freeways length → List of freeways in Victoria, Australia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Title seems like an implausible redirect. It also seems like an ambiguous title that could link to any "list of freeways" article. There have been 0 views of this redirect in the last 90 days, so it doesn't seem to be used by anyone either. – numbermaniac  04:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom. Qwerfjkl  talk  09:46, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This redirect is implausible. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 14:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as ambiguous. Not a good redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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JFK station
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Kings, New York
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  11:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Kings, New York">Kings, New York → Brooklyn (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A redirect from "[County name], [State]" to "[County name] County, [State]" can make sense in situations where [County name] is commonly used on its own to refer to the county (e.g. Arlington, Virginia or Loudoun, Virginia), but nobody uses "Kings" alone as a mononym when it's much clearer to say "Brooklyn". Moreover, New York, New York does not refer to New York County. feminist (+) 02:32, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not ambiguous or misleading. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per the nom's examples, which make clear that "County" is sometimes dropped in county names. It's reasonable to think that some of our readers, especially outside the U.S., will not know that this norm only applies to some counties. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 22:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * "Kings" alone is rarely, if ever, used to refer to Brooklyn, and that is the difference. feminist (+) 07:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * But if someone sees "Kings County" on a map, and knows that in some places (including parts of the U.S.), "X County" can be reduced to "X", mightn't they think that "Kings, New York" is a valid name? --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 17:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per both above. Thryduulf (talk) 21:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
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