Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 4

October 4
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 4, 2021.

Westchester Borough, New York
   Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 13%23Westchester Borough, New York

Plava, Russia
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Plava (Russia).  ✗  plicit  23:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Plava, Russia → Plava (river) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Retarget to Plava (Russia) This is currently a double redirect to an incomplete disambiguation. It's confusing, because it suggests the name of a town in Russia instead of the name of a river. Also, it was just created for the article and then the page was moved, so best just delete it. Coastside (talk) 18:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Plava (Russia). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 06:58, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree. The page move was reverted. Coastside (talk) 14:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
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Helicopter dick
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Helicopter dick → 3-Way (The Golden Rule) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a good redirect - was used once in a sentence by a reviewer but I doubt most people who search "helicopter dick" are looking for 3-Way (The Golden Rule). Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 18:00, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: The relationship between this redirect and its target would be unclear to the average searcher. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 18:33, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not a suitable target, and I can see no other. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:01, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 *  Keep - This is the best target for the term. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:09, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - Dick helicoptering also exists. Also, did some brief digging, we do not seem to cover this on a more general level in any of our articles on sexuality or courting from what I can tell. Perhaps a section somewhere is due if the sourcing is in order; where exactly to put it, I am unsure. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 00:49, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * an article at this was deleted at Articles for deletion/Helicopter dick for being a dictionary definition and there being no reliable sources using the term. Things may have changed since February 2019 of course, but when the top hits were Urban Dictionary and Pornhub I wasn't motivated to look in any more detail. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. There is no way that the target is justifiable given the content thereof. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Why does this need to be salted? Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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Buceta
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Ana Buceta. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 08:47, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Buceta → Vagina (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per WP:RFOREIGN, buceta is Portuguese slang for "vagina" but there is no particular connection of the topic to the Portuguese language. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 17:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: The Portuguese language has no relationship with this topic. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 18:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * As the Portuguese Wikipedia is bad, I only see the English Wikipedia, so to redirect some pages in another language to help. YellowFrogger (talk) 17:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Set-indexify as a WP:APO name index for the two people with this surname (Ana Buceta and María Villar Buceta). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 00:00, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ana Buceta as, and hatnote each other at their articles. María's surname is given in the article text as Villar Buceta, so I don't think is a candidate for being WP:Primary topic. But considering the vagaries of Spanish names, to search English WP by only the second surname seems plausible. Even though a set index article is not a DAB (so WP:TWODABS is inapplicable), still an SIA would be an impediment in this case. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 04:39, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. This redirect obscures Search results. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ana Buceta and add a hatnote to María Villar Buceta per the IP editor. Thryduulf (talk) 09:08, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 *  Retarget - Retarget to Ana Buceta and add a hatnote to María Villar Buceta per Thryduulf. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ana Buceta: per above. –– FormalDude  talk  07:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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Azamara-class cruise ship
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Azamara-class cruise ship → Renaissance Cruises (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

See talk page. Creator admits there is no source for calling them Azamara class Lyndaship (talk) 16:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)


 * While yes, there's no source calling them the Azamara class, I think it should be kept to separate them from the Regatta class, especially since both are part of the R-class. Honestly, it may be best to redirect both classes to the R-Class. However, I must note that I did gave the nominator several chances to agree to a compromise. Each time, it was rejected. Angelgreat (talk) 16:10, 4 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: This name was coined by a Wikipedian. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 18:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as above, but keep the talk. At the R's talk page, User:Angelgreat was told twice by the nominator to provide a source (and another time the nom stated "You have provided no source"), the last reply was "I can't find a source". I don't know if it's good practice to keep a talk page for a non-existent article, but I'm not fussed where it is kept, only that it is. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 04:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Can be kept as a subpage of the taget's talk, for example. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)  12:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: redirect to R-class. Angelgreat (talk) 13:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Talk:Azamara-class cruise ship includes a comment from the page creator that they can't find a source calling it this; this appears to be WP:OR. See Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_September_19; there appears to be a history here of the page creator creating redirects from unverifiable alternate names. Hog Farm Talk 15:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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Agekhush, Armenia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . I've also gone ahead and implemented the housekeeping suggestions by the IP and have deleted Agëkhush (disambiguation) per WP:G14. Hog Farm Talk 20:31, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Agekhush, Armenia">Agekhush, Armenia → Zariver (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I cannot determine if these places are related. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:45, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: The relationship between these two subjects is unclear. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 18:00, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't get any results from Gsearch beyond weather channels – and at least one of those (AccuWeather) has never heard of the place once you actually click through. It's not on List of cities and towns in Armenia, at which the smallest settlement listed has a population of 1,618.
 * To closing editor: if deleted, the hatnote at Ağyoxuş should be cut, the DAB at Agëkhush replaced with an R to Ağyoxuş as, and retargeted likewise. 85.67.32.244 (talk) 05:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
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Commonwealth kingdom
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 13%23Commonwealth kingdom

Volcano warning
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 11%23Volcano warning

MIGY
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to the dab page, Miggy.  See a rough consensus below for this long-sought-after solution. Closure requested at WP:CR . (non-admin closure)  P.I. Ellsworth &numsp;-  ed.  put'r there 11:06, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * MIGY → Miguel Cabrera (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Cabrera is nicknamed "Miggy", as are others. There is no acronym MIGY, nor are the nicknames capitalized. There is a Paul Migy, but redirecting to him makes no real sense either. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep for attribution, not necessarily in this location. A very short article describing Cabrera's nickname (in that case spelled "Migy" without "Miggy" being mentioned) was merged into Miguel Cabrera many years ago. As for usage there's this, but we don't seem to have an article on this author. Migy, Paul is a redirect to Paul Migy already. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:52, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment This does actually appear to be the result of a merge back in '05, so I agree it should be kept somewhere. Tag with R from merge. No strong opinion on whether its current target is kept or retargeted to Paul Migy. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:09, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to Migy without leaving a redirect, tag as a r from misspelling and r from merge, and then retarget to the disambiguation page at Miggy, where the above targets are mentioned, among others. I think that should solve our problems. - Eureka Lott 04:28, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retargeting to the dab would be fine, but I don't think moving the redirect to the lowercase form is necessary or advisable. We are mostly trying to preserve attribution for the merge, and the uppercase form will serve just as well as a search term as the lowercase. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:47, 19 September 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  13:11, 26 September 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: one more try
 * Retarget to Paul Migy in the absence of a lowercase redirect.  Jay (Talk) 21:10, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 13:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Miggy. Pretty clear that the page should be kept for attribution purposes. In light of no one having a strong opinion about where to move, I think that retargeting to the disambiguation page that mentions all the possibilities mentioned so far like Miguel Cabrera and Paul Migy would be the most inclusive option and would be the clearest aid to navigation.  bibliomaniac 1  5  18:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
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MotoGP 2 (PS2)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="MotoGP 2 (PS2)">MotoGP 2 (PS2) → MotoGP: Ultimate Racing Technology 2 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Targeting an unrelated game in the same franchise. The actual target of this redirect is supposed to have been Draft:MotoGP 2 in its deleted form (rather than the disambiguation form which is probably most appropriate for that particular title were it to exist in mainspace). Izno (talk) 03:56, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Someone who wants to read about a game should not be led to an article that discusses another. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 12:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
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