Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 9

October 9
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 9, 2021.

List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom (before 2000)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget both  to List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 00:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom (before 2000) → List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom (before 1990) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom (before 1990) → List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom (before 1970) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nothing links here and it's an implausible redirect created by a move where the target was also moved and changed. The SandDoctor Talk 22:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have restored the 1990 target, which was moved without a valid reason for suppressing the R from move redirect. Retarget both to List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom per WP:RFD. The page was originally at List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom (before 1990) from mid-2020 until last month, when new pages were created for each decade starting with the 1970s, however "before 1990" still gets over 200 hits per day while "before 2000" now gets around 15. The article that was there is now at List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom (before 1970) but the master list serves as a disambiguation for the 200+ editors each day who come here from a stale link on another website to help them find the information they're looking for, instead of landing on an error page. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:18, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget both per Ivanvector, agreeing that the redirect should not have been suppressed under any of the relevant criteria. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 23:33, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Right now, this looks like a redirect that points to a redirect that points back to the original redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . The current state (a double redirect to "List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom (before 1970)") is still untenable, but is fine to have in place during an RfD, so long as the closing admin understands that a pure keep is not an option. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 23:39, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a bit of a mess, but it's alright for now. The double-redirect-fixing bots ignore redirects that have RfD tags. We'll clean everything up depending on the consensus here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:45, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget both per Ivanvector, pointing to the list is the most helpful for readers who are clearly still using this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 23:55, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
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Holy ejaculation
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  ✗  plicit  00:30, 17 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Holy ejaculation → Ejaculatory prayer (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This page was speedy deleted as an R3 because I thought it was a misnomer or vandalism but Uanfala appealed the deletion and a discussion ensued my talk pages. Although Uanfala had a link to some uses of the term, it seems to be archaic to me. In considering this request, ask yourselves if "ejaculation" is ever used in a religious sense in the 21st century. I don't think we'll have any Puritans searching Wikipedia. Liz Read! Talk! 22:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. While it may be a dated term, someone could still come upon it in reading older texts and look it up by that name. If anything, its rather shocking (to modern ears) nature makes people more likely to look it up. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 22:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tamzin. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: I was the original nominator for speedy delete, who thought much as Liz did that it was vandalism, particularly as I found it in the context of the hat note on the destination article, but as an archaic form of reference it seems appropriate to keep in that it will help readers of older works understand what is being referred to. I will note, though it is beyond the scope of this discussion, that I would strongly disagree with restoring that hatnote; while "Holy ejaculation" does appear to have a valid connection to "Ejaculatory prayer", there is clearly no valid connection to the miraculous fertilization of the Virgin Mary. BilledMammal (talk) 12:35, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
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Terrence Deyalsingh
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hog Farm Talk 14:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Terrence Deyalsingh → Saint Joseph, Trinidad and Tobago (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target; deleting to allow for uninhibited search results seems like the appropriate course of action, as he is briefly mentioned in a few articles. signed,Rosguill talk 21:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm have no objection either way.--14Jenna7Caesura (talk) 22:10, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to 2015 Trinidad and Tobago general election. Deyalsingh was elected to the constituency of St. Joseph in that election (and is mentioned in a results table) and was appointed the Minister of Health for Trinidad & Tobago 2015-2020, but we seem to have no more specific information on Wikipedia on any of those things (we don't have an article about that specific Parliament, and the current target is about the geographic location, not the constituency). See for more info. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * But there is also some coverage of Deyalsingh on Wikipedia at Nicki Minaj in his capacity as health minister. Additionally, as an MP, Deyalsingh meets NPOL and thus there's a further argument that we should have his name be redlinked to encourage article creation. signed,Rosguill talk 23:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete to facilitate uninhibited Search: there are 7 mentions of "Terrence Deyalsingh". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and to encourage article creation. CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
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HPSL
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hog Farm Talk 17:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * HPSL → Standard Commands for Programmable Instruments (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 21:28, 9 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It's present in HP (Hewlett Packard, now Agilent) documentation, and investigation indicated that the format was the same. MarkMLl (talk) 10:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as ambiguous and likely to lead to confusion: there are 2 other separate mentions. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
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Interstate transport
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 18%23Interstate transport

Property of a Lady (film)
<span id="Property of a Lady (film)"> <span id="The Property of a Lady (film)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 18%23Property of a Lady (film)

2030 in association football
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 17%232030 in association football

SW Cephei
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 18%23SW Cephei

Μέγαρα
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) feminist (+) 09:16, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Μέγαρα">Μέγαρα → Megara (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:RFOREIGN. See also Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_October_7 TJRC (talk) 00:40, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Megara is a place in Greece, and Μέγαρα is its proper name in Greek. That's allowed under RFOREIGN. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 00:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. The statement at the 7 October RfD that We don't normally have redirects from foreign language terms in non-Roman scripts is entirely incorrect. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:06, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RFOREIGN, Elli and the 61 IP above me. This is an appropriate redirect, and to add on to 61...'s point, we have plenty of non-English redirects, including a bunch in non-Latin scripts. Regards, SONIC  678  03:16, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Appropriate per WP:RFOREIGN and mentioned. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:06, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
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