Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 17

September 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 17, 2021.

Aggin
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:02, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Aggin → List of ethnic slurs (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 22:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Per UrbanDictionary, this, the soft-r N-word backwards, is meant as that word but for white people. Special:Search/~Aggin shows it mentioned in a few song titles. If any article discussed the term, rather than just mentioning it, it would be a valid redirect, but as stands, delete and let the search results show people the songs. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 22:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
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Workation
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Vacation. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 02:56, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Workation → Staycation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, sources online suggest that this is not an alternative term for staycation (taking a vacation in your hometown or nearby), but rather refers to a different concept (working remotely from somewhere exotic). I'm not sure the second topic is quite notable, but even if it isn't I don't think readers are well-served by the existing redirect and would suggest deletion. signed,Rosguill talk 21:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to, which does not use the term but describes the general concept. That section needs a lot of improvement, but I think pointing there is better than deleting. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 21:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tamzin. I think this is a plausible search term, and the section identified by Tamzin seems like the most appropriate target. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Google search has more than 1 million results. either staycation or remote work can be targets. Crashed greek (talk) 04:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tamzin.  Jay (Talk) 05:04, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tamzin. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 07:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Sa element
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Sa element → Ozarkodinida (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * M element → Ozarkodinida (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlike the other four "element" redirects that previously targeted the page (see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 9 for discussion about Sb element and Sc element, also I recently retargeted Pb element to Lead and Pa element to Protactinium), these two don't seem to have better targets (there are no chemical elements with these symbols, and as discussed before, these are minor properties of Ozarkodinida that aren't explained in detail in the target). As such redirects, delete, disambiguate, or retarget them wherever appropriate unless justification can be provided. Regards, SONIC  678  19:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Given that all of the other analogous redirects have been retargeted away from their use in the current target, if these particular redirects have no other appropriate targets, deletion is appropriate. (In my opinion, this nom and my comments are an example of where "other stuff exists" is valid.) Mdewman6 (talk) 00:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. No useful information at target. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 11:11, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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List of Canis species an subspecies
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * List of Canis species an subspecies → List of canids (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible typo of an implausible search term. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Looking at the page histories the redirect appears to have been a result of a page move as the first edit after page creation. No need to keep it as it was a mistake. The current redirect goes to a newer article with no record of the orginal article in the history. —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 19:43, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete given how quickly this was moved to the correct spelling. Not sure how implausible it is as a typo, but right now this is just cluttering search results, the correct form of this redirect exists and works just fine. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete "List of Canis species an subspecies" which is just a typo. The correct "List of Canis species and subspecies" already exists. Wretchskull (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
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Chikoo Ki Mummy Durr Kei
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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted  by Fastily under R2. (non-admin closure)  -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Chikoo Ki Mummy Durr Kei → Draft:Chikoo Ki Mummy Durr Kei (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect should be deleted because the target page is a draft. Zarif1511 (talk) 18:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: Not sure if this is eligible for WP:R2 speedy deletion? The page has some history. (Despite the redirecting edit summary, it does not appear to have been copy-pasted from the existing draft.) --Paul_012 (talk) 20:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete: This redirect crosses namespaces. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 20:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * History has been moved to Draft:Chikoo Ki Mummy Durr Kei 2. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 18:00, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Which makes the redirect clearly speediable. I've tagged it as such. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:46, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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Fuck the dealer
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Fuck the dealer → Euchre variations (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as the target page makes no mention of this phrase and I can find no reliable sources that record it as a recognised variation of Euchre. In fact, both online sources and books (novels) indicate that it's a name used for one or more drinking games. Bermicourt (talk) 18:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Looking that the target, the relationship between it and the redirect is unclear. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 20:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. This appears to be an alternative version of Screw the Dealer, which targets Euchre. I agree most searchers would be seeking content on various drinking games, do delete unless someone can find content to retarget to in that context (nothing came up for me in a quick search). Mdewman6 (talk) 01:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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Monika Krause-Fuchs (German sociologist)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 25%23Monika Krause-Fuchs (German sociologist)

Shopping area
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 25%23Shopping area

Stand-alone store
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:02, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Stand-alone store → Shopping mall (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Stand-alone stores → Shopping mall (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Stand alone store → Shopping mall (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target. not quite clear what concept the redirect is supposed to cover Apparently originally redirected to a section that has since been removed, presumably due to a lack of references. Paul_012 (talk) 15:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Stand alone stores → Shopping mall (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Delete per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 11:02, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as ambiguous—this could refer to a big-box store, an outlot at a shopping center, a convenience store at a gas station, etc. - Eureka Lott 22:41, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
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Shopping parade
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 20:28, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Shopping parade → Shopping mall (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. Shopping parade seems to be a rather distinct concept, noted more for their historical and architectural aspects. Even if a redirect is desired, Shopping center (which is the wider overview article created last year when the topic was spilt) seems like a better target. I suggest deleting, though, to encourage article creation. Paul_012 (talk) 15:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. (Though if somebody is willing and able to write an article about shopping parades, that would be even better.)  The two terms don't seem to mean the same thing at all.  Where I'm from, a shopping parade is typically a row or two of shops, each accessed directly from the street/pavement, serving a neighbourhood.  I can't find any evidence of "parade" being used synonymously with "mall" anywhere. — Smjg (talk) 09:26, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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Camp Creek MarketPlace
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 * The result of the discussion was Restored stub article  and send to AFD. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:48, 29 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Camp Creek MarketPlace → Shopping mall (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A stub which was created, PRODed, de-PRODed, then redirected, back in 2006. Not an appropriate redirect; not mentioned in target, and rightly so. Since the page existed as an article for only three months but as redirect for fifteen years, I think RfD is appropriate and restoring for AfD shouldn't be necessary. Paul_012 (talk) 15:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: No one would ever use this redirect to get to the target article. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 20:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Restore and send to AfD. I understand that this has existed as a redirect for a long time and the desire to avoid unnecessary bureaucracy, but I generally hate the idea of BLAR + RfD being a backdoor to AfD, and there was certainly some past controversy about whether this should be deleted or not. I fully agree that as a redirect this makes no sense, but the proper move after a dePROD is to take it to AfD. They will either see the stub is horribly out of date and/or fails GNG and delete, or it will inspire someone to update and improve the article. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, if there are concerns I'll be happy to AfD. (To the closer: please don't relist this.) --Paul_012 (talk) 20:52, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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Even Steven (song)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  as G7.  ✗  plicit  12:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * <span id="Even Steven (song)">Even Steven (song) → Tom Robinson (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no mention on the target page or any other associated page that I can find, and a redirect without explanation is potentially confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've WP:G7ed it as creator. We have no article about Cabaret '79, the album it's on. Narky Blert (talk) 11:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
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Chaneil Kular
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:04, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Chaneil Kular → Black Narcissus (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Kular has appeared in four series, with Black Narcissus being one of the lesser notable appearances of his. Kular is not yet notable enough to have a page (per WP:NACTOR) but this shouldn't mean a redirect to a television series exists, as it provides readers with no information about the actor. – DarkGlow • 10:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 11:00, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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LTA:SGK
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:05, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * LTA:SGK → Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Supreme Genghis Khan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

LTA: is not a pseudo-namespace. WP:R. Sun8908 &#8239;Talk 07:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. LTA already walks a fine line between helping counter vandalism and granting it recognition. An XNR crosses that line. (Setting aside the rough consensus to not create new pseudo-namespaces.) -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 17:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This is a fake namespace that leads to a real one. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 20:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. per nom.--Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 10:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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Nibin-Nogrim
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 25

Charlotte H. Johnson
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 21:52, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Charlotte H. Johnson → Curtis Guild Jr. (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I can't find any reason this redirect should exist. The article about Curtis Guild Jr. where this redirects states that he married a woman with a different name. Toddst1 (talk) 02:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * This appears to be in error. The (maiden) name of Guild's wife was in fact Charlotte Howe Johnson, not Charlotte Howe Crosby. This was apparently a misreading of the source (her father was Edward Crosby Johnson); other sources also confirm Johnson as her maiden name.  That aside, I would question whether she satisfies WP:GNG, since mentions of her appear to be either genealogical or in connection to her husband.  Magic ♪piano 13:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
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Roku Netflix
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 29%23Roku Netflix

Stereotypes of Mongoloids
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Wizardman  17:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Stereotypes of Mongoloids → Stereotypes of East Asians in the United States (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Slur is not mentioned on the target page. Also offensive. Geschichte (talk) 21:24, 9 September 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to mongoloid, which includes discussions about perceptions and stereotypes. While "Mongoloid" once referred to one of the (at the time) three accepted racial groups (Caucasoid and Negroid being the other two) it wasn't a slur in that context, however it is a slur when used to refer to a person with Down syndrome. This, too, is covered at mongoloid. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This redirect is too racist to be useful. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 17:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Being offensive is not, in and of itself, a criterion for redirect deletion. Have a read of WP:RNEUTRAL, or R from non-neutral name, or the 589 members of Category:Redirects from non-neutral names. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 20:46, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Ivan.  Jay (Talk) 17:49, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: 8 pageviews in 14 years? Even if being offensive isn't a reason to remove it (which I believe it is per WP:R #3), it's clear that this is way too obscure of a phrasing to be useful or worthy of retaining, which I believe qualifies it for WP:R criteria #8 without question. /Tpdwkouaa (talk) 00:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Other articles/redirects with similar phrasing, for reference: Stereotypes of Africans, Stereotypes of South Asians, Stereotypes of Jews, Stereotypes of American Indians, Stereotypes of homosexuals, Stereotypes of white Americans, Stereotypes of French people, Stereotypes of mathematicians, etc.  Jay (Talk) 06:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This has had 14 pageviews since the end of July. Where are you getting 8 in 14 years from? The pageviews tool only goes back to about 2015. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 20:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete No, offensiveness alone isn't enough to delete, but it needs to be weighed against usefulness. All of the other articles cited by Jay above have names that are widely used both within and without the groups in question ("homosexuals" comes closest to failing this bar, but the term is still widely used, and not always as a pejorative). This one is neither. Furthermore, we can't really be sure if someone using this as a search term in good faith is looking for East Asians, a subgroup thereof (e.g., Mongols), or people with Down's syndrome.
 * Regarding pageviews, this was created 18 June 2007—by a user with a history of disruption in this area. It has 88, not 8, views in 14 years (link), but that's still quite low. --BDD (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
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