Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 9

September 9
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 9, 2021.

S42: In case of fire use ... (indicate in the space the precise type of fire-fighting equipment. If water increases the risk add - Never use water)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  05:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * S42: In case of fire use ... (indicate in the space the precise type of fire-fighting equipment. If water increases the risk add - Never use water) → List of S-phrases (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This appears to be erroneous, as S43 is about in case of fire, while S42 is about fumigation. Hog Farm Talk 23:01, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. We already have the correct redirects for both S-phrases, so why do we still need this? Regards, SONIC  678  00:12, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This redirect contains a falsehood that makes it unlikely to be searched for. Furthermore, it is very unwieldy. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 17:54, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per above Qwerfjkl  talk  07:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:17, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
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Stereotypes of Mongoloids
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 17%23Stereotypes of Mongoloids

Harpies in popular culture
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  05:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Harpies in popular culture → Harpy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"In popular culture" pages were all the rage, until most of them were swept away. This one was created after an AFD discussion, but Harpy no longer has the "in popular culture" section where this once redirected to. Geschichte (talk) 20:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: This redirect's target section was deleted. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 17:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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Narmeen Choudhury
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  05:51, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Narmeen Choudhury → WPIX (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 20:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Geschichte (talk) 20:49, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: The relationship between this redirect and its target is unclear. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 17:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Justification. This redirect existing is unhelpful but deleting it gives unhelpful search results, so whatever. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:11, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Bird app
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  05:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Bird app → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, doesn't appear to be an alternative name for the target. Delete, as it could cause confusion for readers looking for an actual app about birds. signed,Rosguill talk 19:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Anecdotally I've heard this name used, and https://www.google.com/search?q=%22bird+app%22+twitter does show some examples. That said, there's also the existence of Bird (transportation company) to consider. Their core business runs through an app. At this point, keeping, deleting, dabbing, and retargeting with a hatnote all seem to have their merits. -- Tamzin  [cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:07, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - vague, and not sufficient pageviews to suggest utility. I've seen Twitter referred to as "birdsite" a whole lot, but never "bird app". Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 20:10, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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Bird site
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  05:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Bird site → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Bird site" seems ambiguous, so I think this should be either disambiguated or deleted. Qwerfjkl talk  19:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per my comment in the discussion above, absent any other suggested uses. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 20:11, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Doing a google search for this seems to turn up results primarily related to bird sanctuaries. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 01:10, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague. Bird site could refer to birdwatching sites and sanctuaries according to my google search. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete I created this redirect page (as with bird app) because I thought, given their not too uncommon uses as euphemisms for twitter, it would be useful and justified. But in hindsight, their uses are not common enough for it to be unlikely that they would be confused with either the transportation company or with bird sanctuaries respectively. I support deletion on this basis. Farleigheditor (talk) 17:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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Sb element
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget Sb element to Antimony, and Sc element to Scandium  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Sb element → Ozarkodinida (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sc element → Ozarkodinida (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Either delete or create a disambiguation page. "Sb element" appears to be just a minor property of Ozarkodinida, not substational enough to be the redirect target in my opinion, whereas people searching for Sb element are also quite likely to look for Antimony. Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Antimony (chemical symbol Sb). The current target does not explain at all what an "Sb element" is, just that it's a property of the organism; readers will not find any particularly useful information there. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 20:13, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Antimony per Ivanvector, this target would WP:ASTONISH certain readers. Also, I think it's worth discussing Sc element, which is also listed as a property of the order, and could redirect to its element (Scandium) to avoid a similar problem. Regards, SONIC  678  00:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget Sb element to Antimony and SC element to Scandium as most plausible targets. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget both per above; per WP:ASTONISH. Hog Farm Talk 03:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget Sb element to Antimony and Sc element to Scandium per WP:R. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:54, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Myxofibrosarcoma
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)    scope_creep Talk  19:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Myxofibrosarcoma → Histiocytoma (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The World Heath Organisation has reclassified myxofibrosarcoma as a distinct entity, not in any way a form of the histiocytomas. Editor User:Joflaher is creating a new page on Myxofibrosarcoma, in his sandbox as we speak.  scope_creep Talk  15:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * So the redirect needs to go.   scope_creep Talk  16:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - until the draft is ready for mainspace, this is a useful R from related subject redirect. The draft could have been moved over this redirect when it's ready had it not been nominated for discussion, but you'll have to get an admin or pagemover to do it for you now (if nobody else does, ping me and I will). 's sandbox is currently blank, and has been for two weeks. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 20:16, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Just as a note, it's not necessary to RfD redirects if a drafted article should be moved to that title. Once the new article is ready, just tag the redirect with db-move (see link for instructions) and someone with the required userrights will do it for you. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 20:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The redirect is false. The World Health Organisation has reclassified it. New research I assume. is writing the article off wiki. I will ping you when its ready.    scope_creep Talk  21:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The conversation is on my talk page. Joflaher he will be ready in a couple of days. I was hoping to get rid of the redirect and have a nice clean revision history but it is six and half a dozen. I guess this can be closed now   scope_creep Talk 
 * If it's being drafted off-wiki that complicates things. Are you planning to paste the off-wiki content over the redirect? As for being "false", the current target explains that myxofibrosarcomas were classified as histiocytomas until recently, and until we have better information on myxofibrosarcomas that's useful information for readers. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 14:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Wanting a "nice clean revision history" isn't a valid reason to delete something.
 * IMO this nomination was unnecessary. All that is necessary is to boldly follow the directions at Redirect, if/when an article on the specific subject gets written. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I will keep it in mind for the future. I'm just going to close this, a non-admin closure as the draft is now ready.   scope_creep Talk  19:00, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Sam Reklaw
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 * The result of the discussion was procedural close  . deleted per WP:CSD G6 (non-admin closure)  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:39, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Sam Reklaw → Sam Reklaw (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary redirect from Wikipedia space to articlespace GoingBatty (talk) 14:01, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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Hedgehog Engine
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 * The result of the discussion was withdraw  . Passing mention is enough, withdrawing as I was not aware of this. (non-admin closure) Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 15:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hedgehog Engine → Sonic Unleashed (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Possible delete. Redirect only has a passing mention of the subject, stating that it was simply used (and developed) for the Sonic Unleashed. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 13:20, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - a passing mention is sufficient for a redirect. Sergecross73   msg me  14:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
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Ultra-religious
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Religious fanaticism.  ✗  plicit  02:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Ultra-religious → Extremism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not sure this is really an appropriate redirect. My first thought was that this would be a good search term for an article on religious observance, but Religious observance just points to Religious law, which is also a poor fit for this search term. I'm leaning towards deletion. signed,Rosguill talk 13:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to Religious fanaticism, which I think is what is meant by the redirect (and where Religious extremism points). It's better to redirect to a more specific term than to misguide people to the wrong general page. Regards, SONIC  678  14:57, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to religious fanaticism per Sonic678. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 15:33, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Extremism does contain the words religion and religious, fanaticism, fundamentalism, and nearly every other descriptors associated with the ultra-religious are found in it. Stereotyping all religious observance as ultra- religious is WP:POV. For eg, describing all religious observances of Judaism including those of progressive Judaism, as ultra-orthodox Judaism, is unlikely to find support in scholarly works and expert led researches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolicmahr (talk • contribs) 17:58, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I was actually going to bring up ultra-orthodox Jews to make an opposed argument: while definitely ultra-religious, most do not fit the description of "extremist" described at Extremism. signed,Rosguill talk 18:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Ultranationalist politics and ultra-religious (fanatics) are often found in close proximity and will even interlap, eg the Sunni extremist group of Taliban and ISIS Khorasan etc in Afghanistan. This is another reason to keep the target the same as it is, Extremism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolicmahr (talk • contribs) 18:12, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:aqua 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:47, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to religious fanaticism as a more specifically relevant target. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 10:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Retarget to religious fanaticism - seems plausible as not all ultra-religious activities are extremisms. 2409:4061:2DCF:43B5:E317:7091:533B:2FF1 (talk) 05:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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