Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 16

April 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 16, 2022.

Armed attack
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:31, 24 April 2022 (UTC)


 * → Use of force in international law (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The scope of this phrase is far broader than the current target, Use of force in international law. Both current incoming links are referring to attacks on individuals (i.e. armed assault), rather than between states. Colin M (talk) 20:48, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete could be "assault with a weapon" crime; a non-international civil war, a prison uprising, etc -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete not a armed attacks are carried our by States.--65.92.163.109 (talk) 16:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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Sun Wufan
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:31, 24 April 2022 (UTC)


 * → Gohan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RLOTE, no particular affinity between the target and Chinese (the redirect is the pinyin transcription of the name used in the Chinese dub according to this Fandom article. signed,Rosguill talk 20:02, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and WP:RLOTE. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 00:50, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the charter wasn’t known as Sun Wufan In in the original Japanese version or the English dub.--65.92.163.109 (talk) 16:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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Men from Up the Stairs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)


 * → Salad Fingers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * → Salad Fingers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Both should be deleted. "Men From Up The Stairs" is the title of a video created by David Firth. An AfD at David Firth was recently closed as redirect to his series Salad Fingers, thus "Men From Up The Stairs" now redirects to it. Apart from sharing its creator, the video and the series are completely unrelated. The video, released in 2009, is unlikely to become notable at any point in the future. Throast (talk &#124; contribs) 17:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom. Weird scenario of double-redirect correction leading to an illogical redirect. TartarTorte 13:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Veverve (talk) 20:43, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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बैतूल पंवार
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 24%23बैतूल पंवार

Bhori
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * → Bhoyari (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading redirect. Not even a plausible typo. At least one other article has bhori in title: "Neoheterophrictus bhori". Suggesting to delete and let the internal search engine handle it. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • C • L) 15:18, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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भोयरी
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 24%23भोयरी

Ars arcana
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 27%23Ars arcana

Magical objects in Stardust
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:48, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * → Stardust (Gaiman novel) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No such list in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 18:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. The target does mention a magic candle, and a magic substance. If that is unsatisfactory, then restore the unsourced article that was blanked and redirected and send to AfD. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:38, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * (Okay, I'm contradicting myself responding to this, but I have some thoughts.) Keeping the redirect in its current form is misleading due to the lack of a section or actual list for readers to arrive at; having "magical objects" sprinkled around the article in almost random places leaves it so readers searching for this term may be unsatisfied and confused with them arriving at the target article with no direct context. In addition, it is questionable if the target article's subject has a level of notability where a standalone list of subtopics would be helpful to our readers without it seeming to go into almost WP:NOTFANDOM territory due to lack of notability of any part of the target subject other than the target subject itself. For these reasons, I see a "WP:BLAR-then-WP:AFD" reversal in this case to be a waste of community time due to the result seeming clear; if any option may be plausible here, it would be to create a dedicated section in the target article, put some not all of the information there, retarget this redirect to that section, and then call it a day. Steel1943  (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 1 April 2022‎
 * If it were List of magical objects in Stardust, I'd agree. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 14:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a large edit history here. It wasn't merged.  I myself think that it's of highly doubtful utility for future article expansion, since it seems to be a direct thematic analysis formed by reading the book and watching the movie, rather than finding good quality criticism and analysis and writing from that. Uncle G (talk) 16:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Mdewman6. Harmless R with history. Even though there isn't a list per se at the target, some magical objects can still be found. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.3em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:24, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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Turko-Iranian (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:48, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Turko-Iranian (disambiguation)"> → Turko-Iranian (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target is not a disambiguation page, and does not provide a list of articles that might otherwise be called "Turko-Iranian". Speedy request reverted. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * What then does the target article provide a list of? – Uanfala (talk) 16:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 14:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: The WP:G14 speedy request was rightfully declined since this redirect is not "A redirect that ends in "(disambiguation)" but does not redirect to a disambiguation page or a page that performs a disambiguation-like function." The target page is a list of subjects which could be referred to as "Turko-Iranian", thus performing a "...disambiguation-like function." Steel1943  (talk) 22:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "A disambiguation page is a non-article page that lists and links to encyclopedia articles covering topics that could have had the same title" (WP:DPAGE); a disambiguation-like page is therefore a page that also does this. That is not what the target article does: it is not a list of articles for a start, let alone a list of articles that could have the same title. The target is a list of ways this compound adjective may be used. (Furthermore, this redirect is neither helpful nor useful). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for sniffing out this problematic sentence in the guidelines. I've started a discussion of it at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. – Uanfala (talk) 14:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I see the need for the discussion, but as an editor who has had G14 tags denied for the same reason in the past, I think I'll just watch the discussion unfold. But either way, the redirect's here now, so if it gets deleted per consensus, the deletion is by default more meaningful that a speedy deletion. Steel1943  (talk) 15:18, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The problem here is more with the verbiage of WP:G14. From my understanding due to my previously denied G14 tags, pages such as the target performs a "disambiguation-like function", and in my opinion, incredibly vaguely interpreted. And if vaguely interpreted, the target page sort of provides a disambiguation function. My thought to resolve this would be to get the "disambiguation-like function" verbiage out of G14 so that the criterion is more strict in its interpretation; from my understanding, with the exception of WP:G6, all other criterion are supposed to be precise in their definitions, and right now, G14 is not. Steel1943  (talk) 15:25, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, but in the past a strict interpretation has not achieved consensus, which is why it says what it does. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't agree that this isn't providing something similar enough to a DAB to justify this redirect. Should someone search this then they are probably going to find what they were looking for. No benefit from deletion. A7V2 (talk) 06:09, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per A7V2. Target is similar enough to a DAB page if not technically one, and any reader can easily confuse this as such. Absolutely no benefit would result from deletion. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.3em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
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Chakwood
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 24%23Chakwood

Harry Potter Further Reading
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Harry Potter. signed,Rosguill talk 20:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * → Harry Potter (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unclear what "Further Reading" is meant to refer. Due to this reason, the redirect is potentially a circular reference to its target article's subject, and is thus unhelpful in its current form. Steel1943 (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, seemingly refers to nonexistent section of article. ev iolite   (talk)  23:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep for attribution. Content from this page was merged to the target and then at some point removed. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * See my comment below. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:25, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.3em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Mdewman6 is right. Whether a list of citations is copyrightable is an interesting point, but from a Wikipedia policy point of view it was an article merger. Uncle G (talk) 16:55, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, "bare references" do not require attribution per WP:NOATT. However, it would be better to just keep this. In fact, I think we should Refine to Harry Potter, making it a useful redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:25, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * A list of further reading is an editorial selection, though, not a mere set of data. Uncle G (talk) 17:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Refine to Harry Potter. We shouldn't necessarily be encouraging creation of such redirects where these sections exist, but given there are reasons apart from usefulness to keep this redirect, there's no harm in targeting to something which would clearly be useful to someone searching this, however likely or unlikely that might be. A7V2 (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment This redirect has had 47 views over the past year. 2601:647:5800:1A1F:B1AE:A56E:B4C:3EB3 (talk) 16:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That's somewhat interesting in that it's about four times more than I'd expect for such a redirect. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:26, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Refine to Harry Potter per A7V2. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:26, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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Legion Britanica
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 25%23Legion Britanica

Theodore Somach
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * → Denny Somach (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

not mentioned in target. Lavalizard101 (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.3em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment This redirect is the result of Articles_for_deletion/Theodore_Somach in 2014. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. This is confusing without a mention. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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Letter of protest
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 25%23Letter of protest

Genjutsu (Naruto)
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Genjutsu (Naruto)"> → Naruto (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no mention at the target, and there doesn't seem to be a proper place in Naruto-related articles to retarget this. Delete to let search results provide the best assistance. Jay (talk) 07:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a follow-up from WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 23. Jay (talk) 07:45, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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Puppet (Naruto)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Puppet (Naruto)"> → Naruto (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Taijutsu (Naruto)"> → Naruto (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Ninjutsu (Naruto)"> → Naruto (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target sections don't exist, and there are no mentions. There doesn't seem to be a proper place in Naruto-related articles to target these redirects. Delete to let search results provide the best assistance. Jay (talk) 07:30, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a follow-up from WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 23. Jay (talk) 07:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. Veverve (talk) 09:41, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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Draft:GeorgeNotFound
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 26%23Draft:GeorgeNotFound

Get the L Out
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Lesbian erasure. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.3em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 11:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * → Feminist views on transgender topics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Lesbian erasure. Current target does not mention the group. Some prior discussion here, including another potential target, "We're being pressured into sex by some trans women". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Pings for who all participated in the prior discussion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to preferably Lesbian erasure § In relation to transgender women. For the sake of starting the discussion here, the current target doesn't mention Get the L Out, while both of the potential targets mention the organization. Comparing the potential targets though, Le § Irttw contains information about GtLO itself while Wbp § GtLO survey contains information about a survey that it conducted which was then used in a controversial news article by the BBC. Whether it should redirect to the top of the Irttw section or above the paragraph that mentions GtLO (which is the second paragraph), I don't know. LightNightLights (talk) 06:13, 19 April 2022 (UTC) (edited LightNightLights (talk) 06:19, 19 April 2022 (UTC))
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