Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 1

August 1
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 1, 2022.

Christian Taliban
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 9%23Christian Taliban

Wikipedia:List of most popular articles
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Wikipedia:Statistics#Page views is now made more inclusive as part of the subsequent redirect listing.  Jay  💬 05:40, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * List of most popular articles → Wikipedia:Statistics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Where should this redirect to? Interstellarity (talk) 20:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this should stay where it's at. -- Beland (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Most popular pages
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Statistics.  Jay  💬 05:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Most popular pages → Wikipedia:Popular pages (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Where should this redirect? Interstellarity (talk) 20:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this should change to Statistics, for consistency with other redirects. I will merge Popular pages so there's one list of all the popularity rankings, dead or alive. -- Beland (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Most popular articles
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Wikipedia:Statistics#Page views is now made more inclusive as part of the previous redirect listing.  Jay  💬 05:40, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Most popular articles → Wikipedia:Statistics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Where should this redirect? Interstellarity (talk) 20:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this should stay where it's at, for consistency with other redirects. -- Beland (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Most edited article
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Statistics.  Jay  💬 05:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Most edited article → Wikipedia:Statistics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Where should this redirect to? Interstellarity (talk) 20:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Statistics. I just made it into a real section, and added Database reports/Pages with the most revisions. "Most edited" could mean "most frequently edited" not "with the most revisions", and that info is available on Statistics but not the other page. -- Beland (talk) 22:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have also started locating alternate sources, some of them off-wiki, and adding them to the Statistics list. -- Beland (talk) 22:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Most edited articles
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Statistics.  Jay  💬 05:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Most edited articles → Wikipedia:Database reports/Pages with the most revisions (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Where should this redirect to? Interstellarity (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Statistics, for consistency with the previous nominated redirect. -- Beland (talk) 22:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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Most viewed videos
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Lists of online videos. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Most viewed videos → List of most-viewed YouTube videos (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is too specific. It's like if we redirected Democracy to Representative democracy. Interstellarity (talk) 20:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget. I think it should be a set index article like Lists of online videos, or redirect there. It will make sense to have it be a list of lists because it will only grow over time, and future videos might push previous record holders of eras such as a decade off the list. Also, it might make sense to have a list of videos for the English speaking world, and then maybe even subsets of that, as I'm sure the future will just be a list of videos from India if not. These are just a couple of reasons to be a set index article. I would also be interested in hearing reasons to delete it. Louis Waweru Talk  21:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect to lists of online videos per . This is too specific and using a set index article would resolve that issue. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 00:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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Most viewed article
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 9%23Most viewed article

Γουόντερ Γούμαν
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:49, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Γουόντερ Γούμαν">Γουόντερ Γούμαν → Wonder Woman (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Wonder Woman, to the best of my knowledge and from the research I did, has no particular affinity to the Greek Language, so delete per WP:RLOTE <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 20:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as no affinity for the non-English language. I get that she is heavily inspired by Greek mythology but that's about it. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:13, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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Black comedian
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Black comedian → Black comedy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I understand the redirect, but I think "Black comedian" could equally refer to comedians who are black, but don't perform gallows humour. I think this should be deleted. QueenofBithynia (talk) 19:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think that is the meaning of black comedian. Louis Waweru Talk  21:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete While plausible, I think the alternative definition of "Black comedian" is the more likely target. No good target for such a redirect though. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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Schoolboy humour
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 9%23Schoolboy humour

Neural mechanisms of in-group favoritism
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 9%23Neural mechanisms of in-group favoritism

Cà phê sữa ðá
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 14:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Cà phê sữa ðá">Cà phê sữa ðá → Vietnamese iced coffee (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"đ" and "ð" are two different letters. The Vietnamese language uses the former one. lol1 VNIO ( talk  • contribs) 13:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: This is highly, highly implausible. The thorn (ð) makes a th sound whereas the Vietnamese đ isn't pronounced as such. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 14:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:03, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Đelete per nom and above. I get it, the characters look similar in their capital forms (and đ is a descendant of ð), but we don't need redirects of that sort when the letters are distinct enough from each other. Regarđs, SONIC   678   01:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, practically no one types đ as ð. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 09:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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Obadiah of Bertinoro
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 * The result of the discussion was discussion moved to Talk:Obadiah Bartenura  . (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Obadiah of Bertinoro → Obadiah Yareh of Bertinoro (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This should be the name of the article, as it is the correct English/European name of the man. He was Italian after all. See both Jewish Encyclopedia (has him as "Bertinoro, Obadiah", and more than half of the current article is copy-pasted from there!), and Encyclopaedia Britannica ("Obadiah of Bertinoro"). The only other English source in the refs also uses "Obadiah of Bertinoro": Zinberg pp. 21, 22, 23, 201; for Hebrew alternative see p. 178 ("Ovadiyah Yare Me-Bartenura"), which in itself again proves that what we have now is neither nor. So either Obadiah of Bertinoro, or Hebrew, but then Ovadi(y)a(h) with a "v", and Bartenura - but on English Wiki, for the (Modern) Hebrew version a redirect is perfectly sufficient. What we have now is just an incorrect mix. Arminden (talk) 12:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm confused about this nomination. You are saying that an article needs to be renamed, but I'm not sure which one. I'm assuming that you are saying Obadiah Bartenura needs to be renamed, but it's not clear where you want it moved. Could you further explain?  Steel1943  (talk) 14:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Reply: Sory, it's not as explicitly clear as I thought. Obadiah Bartenura is a non-name, a mix; the correct name for enWiki is Obadiah of Bertinoro, but that's blocked by this redirect. I thought I can fix it by renaming the redirect (to Obadiah Yareh of Bertinoro), but it didn't work, that's why I wrote this application. Pls remove this redirect to allow for the move of the article to its correct name. Voila. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 15:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Arminden I think this might be more of a Requested Move than a redirect. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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Perelman's theorem
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Perelman's theorem → Poincaré conjecture (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

In the discussion at WPM (link), there seems to be a consensus that there is nothing called Perelman's theorem with any consistency, so I suggest delete the Perelman's theorem. SilverMatsu (talk) 16:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems that a opposite opinion has been added. (link) --SilverMatsu (talk) 17:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 20:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Participants are still split between deleting and disambiguating… Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 11:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Make into disambiguation page. There are certainly plenty of occurences of the term in the literature.  But I would leave it to the mathematics project to construct a meaningful dab page. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 17:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or convert into a disambiguation page. Discussion on WT:WPM makes clear that there are too many different meanings (including Poincaré conjecture, Geometrization conjecture, and Sharafutdinov's retraction, at least) for a simple redirect to work. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment: To avoid duplication of the discussion, if WT:WikiProject Mathematics can be used to arrive at an outcome, the same can be applied to the redirect, without involving this RfD. Relisting and waiting another week is also fine if it helps send more participants to the WPM discussion. Jay (talk) 17:26, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * As a matter of procedure, a local wikiproject cannot override a community discussion and decision. But this RfD could decide to leave it to further discussion on the Wikiproject if it wants to. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 19:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The WikiProject discussion died out and was archived at WT:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2022/Jul. Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 09:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Iron Golem
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Geordie dialect words
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Geordie. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 05:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Geordie dialect words → b:Transwiki:Geordie dialect words (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The Transwiki: namespace on Wikibooks is roughly analagous to the draft namespace on Wikipedia so it makes no sense to redirect there. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Geordie. This lemma seems to get a decent amount of traffic, so we should point it somewhere local instead of deleting it. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 03:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Geordie. Plausible search term and has had over 200 page views in the last month, according to statistics. Glades12 (talk) 06:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Geordie as a plausible search phrase. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not clear on what is being suggested by Pppery in this RFD. The current transwiki redirect is pointing to the entire original content of this article before it was moved. If the redirect is changed to point at a subsection of another article, the connection to all the content will be lost. That doesn't improve the encyclopedia. So I don't think anything should be changed here, unless it can be explained more clearly what the goal is. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 03:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The nominator didn't make a specific proposal either way, just identified something that was not ideal about the current situation, and opened it up for discussion. The general principle here is that search terms on Wikipedia, such as, should point to content within Wikipedia in preference to pointing to content on sister projects, and it turns out that Wikipedia has relevant content at Geordie. Once the content at b:Transwiki:Geordie dialect words has been moved to Wikibooks mainspace, we can add a Wikibooks link at Geordie pointing to it. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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Phil the Fluther's Ball
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Percy French.  Jay  💬 04:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Phil the Fluther's Ball → s:Phil the Fluther's Ball (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirecting a song to a listing of its lyrics on Wikisource is highly unusual. Suggest deletion per WP:REDLINK or retargeting to Percy French. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Percy French per nom. I am opposed to deletion per K1, as it looks like there used to be an article before it was redirected. The article only consisted of the lyrics, however, so it appears that they were moved to Wikisource but the redirect established to maintain page history. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Percy French. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've improved the wikisource links at the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
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