Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 18

August 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 18, 2022.

Most massive
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 25%23Most massive

Latina (song)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Latina.  Jay  💬 07:32, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Latina (song) → Reykon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention on target page, so no use, plus as far as I can see none of the categories are substantiated. If target is amended or better target found I have no problem withdrawing this deletion. Richhoncho (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:07, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 21:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * High Blues Pressure, TZN - The Best of Tiziano Ferro, and Gary Barnacle discography have tracks with the title "Latina", but I found nothing about the song this redirect refers to. Also no relevant results in Discogs. Peter James (talk) 16:32, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per Peter James's discovery of multiple more appropriate targets. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:25, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to Latina per WP:INCDAB. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 10:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Latina per IP. Creating a new DAB page would be unnecessary, as these song titles are already listed on the Latina page. CycloneYoris talk! 11:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Watered Down
 Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 25%23Watered Down

Highest counties
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Lists of highest points.  Jay  💬 07:45, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Highest counties → List of highest counties in the United States (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Highest county high points → List of highest U.S. county high points (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * County high points → List of highest U.S. county high points (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The U.S. is not the only country with counties, so these redirects are far too ambiguous to point to their respective targets. I don't think there exists an appropriate target for these, so they should be deleted. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retargeting to Lists of highest points as suggested below makes sense to me. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: While there are many countries with counties, there is no country with counties as high as these in the United States, so I doubt there will be any confusion. If other lists of high counties are created, then these redirects can be deleted. Yours aye, Buaidh  talk e-mail 21:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The USA is not the only country Wikipedia should have in mind in this case. Veverve (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as clear systemic bias – the targets are way too narrow. For examples, we have similar articles about other countries: List of Irish counties by highest point, List of ceremonial counties of England by highest point, List of Scottish counties by highest point, List of Northern Ireland counties by highest point. Second choice: retarget to Lists of highest points. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or retarget to lists of highest points per Mx. Granger. The statement that there is no country with counties as high as these in the United States is not correct, given that dozens of counties of China are located on the Tibetan Plateau (e.g. Gêrzê County, Maizhokunggar County, Nyêmo County, and Shuanghu County have a mean elevation above 4000m). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 10:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Highest Counties; Delete rest: As there is no comparable List of highest counties for anywhere else, it doesn't seem like that is a problematic redirect; however, the latter two certainly are as there are multiple places they could go. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 14:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Lists of highest points which functions as an index to the articles about high points in various countries counties. Someone using these search terms will therefore find the article they were looking for regardless of whether the relevant country is the United States or not. Thryduulf (talk) 15:26, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all or retarget to lists of highest points (equal preference) per Mx. Granger and IP61. It's a case of systemic bias. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 16:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think List of highest counties in the United States probably needs to be renamed since the title doesn't answer the question "Highest in what?" Steel1943  (talk) 20:52, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ...Well, never mind: Looks as though the current title is the result of a move request that occurred a couple of months ago. Steel1943  (talk) 20:57, 19 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete all for the fact that a county is not exclusive to the United States. (And well ... the ambiguousness of the word "high" and its forms.) Steel1943  (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Why delete this when there is a perfectly good list of articles we can retarget to that deals with both the lack of exclusivity to the USA and ambiguity in the word "high"? Thryduulf (talk) 22:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The only country listed at Lists of highest points in respect to counties is the United States. Retargeting there sets the expectation that there are more lists than just counties in the United States, which there currently is not. In addition, the current setup of the target page with the counties lists at the bottom with no section headers specifying counties could lead readers to scratch their heads, wondering why they have to go through several lines of text to figure out why a redirect which includes the word "counties" redirected them to Lists of highest points. And regarding the ambiguity of "high" ... umm, I guess one example I have without going too far off base is ... Amsterdam or Colorado. Also, "high" could even socioeconomic factors like GDP or income. The word "high" (and on the flip side "low") without an explanation of "what" is "high" is very ambiguous. Steel1943  (talk) 23:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that "high" is ambiguous in this context. "County" is geographical, and "high" in reference to a geographical area ubiquitously refers to elevation. It would be very odd to describe a place as "high" in reference to its economy. Who would say that "the United States is very high" as opposed to "the United States is very wealthy" or "prosperous" or whatever? It could be a reference to drugs only in a humorous, unencyclopedic tone.
 * However, I agree that List of highest points is a bad target for the same reasons you've given. – Scyrme (talk) 00:02, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You say But that's not true. Lists of counties in Norway, Ireland, Northern Ireland, England, and Scotland are all listed there too. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:56, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep, sure enough, I'm not right on that. Struck. Steel1943  (talk) 03:44, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Too vague to be helpful unless a general, worldwide list is written. (Although a disambiguating 'list of lists' which points to country-specific lists would be the ideal hypothetical target, particularly as single county-specific list may create problems with synthesis and scope relating to translations of different administrative regions as "county", as well as problems with duplicate material.) – Scyrme (talk) 00:01, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Lists of highest points is a . Thryduulf (talk) 10:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not a list of "List of highest counties in [country]" lists; it's a list of every highest point list. It could work as an r to section but only if reorganised into subsections by administrative level/division. – Scyrme (talk) 23:32, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean like Lists of highest points? Nobody searching for a "list of highest points in [subdivision type]" is going to be surprised to arrive at a list of lists of highest point in various subdivision types. Personally, I think having the introduction to list visible more helpful than targetting directly to the specific section, but targetting the specific section is very significantly more helpful to readers than deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 00:37, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * No. If that's what I meant that's what I would've said. It would be surprising if they were searching "highest counties" and looking for mean elevation, not highest points, and had to then search through a wall of links. I've re-organised that list to make it easier to navigate regardless of how a reader gets there. I don't have a strong opinion on targeting directly to a section vs targeting to include the introduction. The contents list makes jumping to a section easy enough even if the redirect itself is not that specific. – Scyrme (talk) 18:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to List of highest points, which contains several lists of highest counties. I'm not understanding the argument for deletion at all. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 03:15, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note - most of the lists are by highest point, but List of highest counties in the United States is a list based on mean elevation between two extreme points. – Scyrme (talk) 13:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, and? It's listed on the page so someone looking for that list will find it there. Why is that an issue? Thryduulf (talk) 17:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It may be relevant information to some people in this discussion? It's just an observation, not an argument one way or the other; I don't know why you're being so defensive. – Scyrme (talk) 17:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to Lists of highest points - I've reconsidered. I've reorganised that proposed target so it's not a wall of links and is easier to navigate, including distinguishing mean elevation from highest elevation. Each section has a clear scope, and sublists can be organised for each country according to their own internal organisation so translation is less of an issue. I think it is now a suitable target for all these redirects. – Scyrme (talk) 18:09, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
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Moss green
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 25%23Moss green

Modernist architect
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 25%23Modernist architect

Laborare est orare
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Ora et labora. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:38, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Laborare est orare → Rule of Saint Benedict (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Posted at AfD by User:Sinopecynic:

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:51, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Ora et labora; the phrase is explicitly mentioned in that article. – Scyrme (talk) 18:11, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Ora et labora: per Scyrme. Furthermore, this quote "laborare est orare" does not seem to appear in the entitreity of the text of Rule fo Saint Benedict in Latin from my full text search at intratext. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 18:29, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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Thearch of Thearchs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 07:51, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Thearch of Thearchs → Tenno taitei (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Thearch" not mentioned at the target, no results for this phrase on Google Scholar. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 17:41, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Problematic title, redirecting to a problematic article, started as a bad machine translation of a Japanese Wikipedia article about a Chinese subject.
 * I note too that this phrase "thearch of thearchs" currently gets exactly two Google hits anywhere at all on the web. One is this page, and the other is Talk:Tenno taitei.
 * I second the motion to delete. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:47, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - It seems to be an original translation by made during the article translation process. I get no search results outside Wikipedia for the term. – Scyrme (talk) 19:00, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment - the current target was BLARed to Tianhuang Emperor on the 19th of August. A7V2 (talk) 04:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This makes Thearch of Thearchs a double-redirect; it's still a bad, original translation, so should still be deleted. However, Tenno taitei can remain as a redirect; it's the Japanese reading of the same title. (勾陈上宫天皇大帝 = tianhuang dadi = tenno taitei) – Scyrme (talk) 14:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
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Greatest Emperor
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 26%23Greatest Emperor

Haim Romano
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 26%23Haim Romano

Forgive my laughter
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 26%23Forgive my laughter

Vaanku
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 25%23Vaanku

Sangchu
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:21, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Sangchu → Lettuce (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Korean word for lettuce, not mentioned in the article. There does happen to be a definition in North–South differences in the Korean language since this word is different N/S. It's also the name of one of the hip-hop music duo Mighty Mouth. The definition has long-term significance, but we aren't a language translation dictionary. Self-immolation protests by Tibetans in China also refers to a Sangchu County in Tibet, which appears to be a transliteration of Xiahe County, but that article uses "Sangqu". <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 01:47, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate for all topics called Sangchu or Sang-chu (Xiahe County, Sanju Pass, the Mighty Mouth singer, and the minor Gunman in Joseon character), with a wiktionary link to the dictionary definition of the Korean word at wikt:상추. The singer is more common in Google News, while the locations predominate in Google Books results. Tibetan pinyin Sangqu is spelled in THL Simplified Phonetic Transcription as Sangchu; I've added it to the bo template in the lead of Xiahe County. The Sanju of Sanju Pass is spelled (Sang1-chu1 in Wade-Giles but I can't add it to the Infobox Chinese there myself as the article is protected (I think this is a proper entry rather than just a WP:PTM since the article itself calls it just "Sanju"). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Dabify per nom and anon -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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Bad Decisions (Benny Blanco, BTS and Snoop Dogg song)
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn  . Will deal with the contested BLAR by other means. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:18, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Bad Decisions (Benny Blanco, BTS and Snoop Dogg song)">Bad Decisions (Benny Blanco, BTS and Snoop Dogg song) → BTS singles discography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

An article over here was BLAR'ed over a major contributor to it being a sockpuppet. However, since there were significant non-sock contributors to the article, I contest the BLAR. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:07, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * All you had to do if you wanted to contest the redirection of the page is revert Binksternet. RfD is not really the place to contest somebody boldly redirecting an article because it was made by a sockpuppet. It's primarily for whether or not to delete a redirect, and nobody was asking to delete the redirect (as it's a valid redirect). You can restore the article and then tell Binksternet to take their concerns to AfD.  Ss  112   02:21, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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