Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 30

August 30
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 30, 2022.

Christine (upcoming film)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Christine (1983 film). (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 15:21, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Christine (upcoming film) → Christine (novel) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no information in the target about a film, sans the film created the same year as the book in 1983. (Note: Draft:Christine (upcoming film) exists.) Steel1943  (talk) 23:41, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm not super invested in it, but if a mention isn't added to the target (surprised there isn't a section for the original film adaptation beyond the one line in the lead), it could be retargeted to Christine (1983 film), where it is mentioned. -2pou (talk) 01:04, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per 2pou. At such time as the film is no longer upcoming, this redirect should be brought back here to RfD to be deleted.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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More "upcoming" no longer "upcoming"
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:39, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Roar (upcoming TV series) → Roar (2022 TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jersey (upcoming film) → Jersey (2022 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Atari VCS (upcoming console) → Atari VCS (2021 console) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Don (upcoming film) → Don (2022 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Suspicion (upcoming TV series) → Suspicion (2022 TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * X (upcoming film) → X (2022 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Fairly OddParents (upcoming TV series) → The Fairly OddParents: Fairly Odder (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Invasion (upcoming TV series) → Invasion (2021 TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Moonfall (upcoming film) → Moonfall (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Red Notice (upcoming film) → Red Notice (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Love Life (upcoming TV series) → Love Life (American TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Scenes from a Marriage (upcoming miniseries)">Scenes from a Marriage (upcoming miniseries) → Scenes from a Marriage (American miniseries) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Father of the Bride (upcoming film)">Father of the Bride (upcoming film) → Father of the Bride (2022 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Surface (upcoming TV series)">Surface (upcoming TV series) → Surface (2022 TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Lockdown (upcoming film)">Lockdown (upcoming film) → Locked Down (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Firefly Lane (upcoming TV series)">Firefly Lane (upcoming TV series) → Firefly Lane (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Vivo (upcoming film)">Vivo (upcoming film) → Vivo (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Last Duel (upcoming film)">The Last Duel (upcoming film) → The Last Duel (2021 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Bullet Train (upcoming film)">Bullet Train (upcoming film) → Bullet Train (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Macbeth (upcoming film)">Macbeth (upcoming film) → The Tragedy of Macbeth (2021 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Cobra (upcoming film)">Cobra (upcoming film) → Cobra (2022 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Skulls (upcoming film)">Skulls (upcoming film) → Prey (2022 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="The Rehearsal (upcoming TV series)">The Rehearsal (upcoming TV series) → The Rehearsal (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="A League of Their Own (upcoming TV series)">A League of Their Own (upcoming TV series) → A League of Their Own (2022 TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 10. Steel1943 (talk) 23:20, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment If it's no longer "upcoming", then why can't the redirect be renamed (if possible)?
 * Magnatyrannus (talk &#124; contribs) 23:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Create the new redirect if you so feel inclined. In cases like these, there's no reason to move their edit histories elsewhere. Steel1943  (talk) 23:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete all - Skulls is the only moderately interesting one to maintain for it's secretive plans as a big marketing reveal, but "upcoming" is still misleading and Skulls (2022 film) exists, so no need. -2pou (talk) 01:13, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all: per Steel1943 -Gouleg🛋️ harass/hound 12:53, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all as misleading and per previous consensus. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Steel1943. Icabobin (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all, wish we could create a SPEEDY category for these types of redirects. --  Wikipedical (talk) 16:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * CSD suggestion Something like "Redirects whose names use the word 'upcoming' to indicate that a work was not released yet, as long as a release window is not also in the redirect name and no significant article content is contained in the redirect's history, may be speedily deleted when the release window is revealed in a reliable source."? — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:47, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would strongly oppose that, because the "upcoming" redirects continue to have value for a time after being moved to allow people to find the article at the new title from links, bookmarks, etc. How long that time is varies based on how long people continue to use the redirect, in may experience it ranges from a couple of weeks to a year or very occasionally even longer. Thryduulf (talk) 10:34, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, see Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion. Steel1943  (talk) 04:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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Anjan district
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23Anjan district

Template:Apocalypse
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23Template:Apocalypse

CORPSE
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  and added hatnote at the current target. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * CORPSE → Corpse Husband (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't see an indication in the target article, nor at, that the subject's name is frequently stylized as "CORPSE". Even if it were, Corpse would be a more natural target. But since that is a common noun with no affinity to an all-caps rendering, I think better to delete. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 01:48, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Useless Gtag10 (talk) 01:50, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:54, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Corpse (disambiguation) as a R from incorrect capitalization -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:42, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retargetto Corpse (disambiguation) as per IP64. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 05:40, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. In addition, the disambiguation page Corpse (disambiguation) contains no entries that use the acronym "CORPSE", so the nominated redirect targeting the disambiguation page could be perceived as misleading. Steel1943  (talk) 20:45, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If not delete, weak retarget to Corpse as the proper place to target it as a R from incorrect capitalization. Steel1943  (talk) 16:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Corpse (disambiguation), a harmless solution. BD2412  T 15:21, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 18:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Corpse (disambiguation). Simple, WP:CHEAP. Ovinus (talk) 07:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Corpse Husband does use this stylization. It's the capitalization/spelling of his official Spotify account as well as his alt Twitter account. Looking at Corpse (disambiguation), I don't see any entries that would be intentionally stylized this way, so I doubt it would be a useful redirect. A hatnote at Corpse Husband would be sufficient to catch edge cases. Patar knight - chat/contributions 12:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and resolve ambiguity with a hatnote at Corpse Husband. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:20, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep and hatnote per above. This the only entry at Corpse (disambiguation) which would be correctly written in all caps. The film seems to have used standard title casing in the markets where it was known as The Corpse . Corpse would not be a natural target; all-caps redirects generally point to WP:PRIMARYREDIRECTs which are known by their acronyms (e.g., ), or to the dab page if it has multiple topics correctly written in all-caps . 61.239.39.90 (talk) 03:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and catch any failures of the redirect with a hatnote. casualdejekyll  20:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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Partido Nacionalista ng Pilipinas
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23Partido Nacionalista ng Pilipinas

Cowboys
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23Cowboys

The midterm effect
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23The midterm effect

Wikipedia:PETTIFOG
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 18:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * PETTIFOG → Wikipedia:Wikilawyering (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * PETTIFOGG → Wikipedia:Wikilawyering (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * PETTIFOGGING → Wikipedia:Wikilawyering (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Term no longer mentioned as a "related term" in target page. FMecha (to talk&#124;to see log) 16:23, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * WP:PETTIFOG is listed as a shortcut on the target page. It has many incoming links. WP:PETTIFOGGING also has several incoming links. --Lambiam 19:29, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the term as it's used on the page's text/body, not shortcut. FMecha (to talk&#124;to see log) 07:48, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per Lambiam. Whether the word is mentioned in the prose or not, the shortcut is still directly relevant to the content and there is absolutely no reason to break the incoming links let alone any benefit to doing so. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
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Salazar Colleges of Science And Institute of technology
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23Salazar Colleges of Science And Institute of technology

White noise (slang)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23White noise (slang)

Baja, California
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23Baja, California

Saudi Arabia and the apartheid analogy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:08, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Saudi Arabia and the apartheid analogy → Human rights in Saudi Arabia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect targeted a contrived subsection of Human rights in Saudi Arabia that was largely based on opinion pieces. I have removed the unqualified opinion pieces and folded the remaining quote, which was specific to 'religious apartheid', back into the main introduction on religious freedom. There is no remaining obvious target with regards to Saudi Arabia, and even if people wanted to search for Saudi Arabia and the theme of 'apartheid', this page would be an unnatural and implausible title for a redirect. People would more naturally type something like 'Saudi Arabia and apartheid' or 'Saudi Arabia and apartheid allegations' not the above. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: As there is no reasonable target, I think deletion make sense. Having said that, I do find the redirect formulation to be fine as it's using the same format as the article Israel and the apartheid analogy. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:17, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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GWR 1501 Class
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23GWR 1501 Class

Primal Instinct
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6%23Primal Instinct