Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 13

December 13
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 13, 2022.

Klappar Haj
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  01:50, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Klappar Haj → Blåhaj (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems to be an old name for the sharks, but isn't mentioned anywhere in the page and the best source I can find for this is a student newspaper. Rusalkii (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - A mention used to be in the article before it was removed due to it being sourced to a primary source(a twitter post). RoostTC (please ping me when replying) 22:52, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. No mention anywhere in Enwiki. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:28, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
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London, Ontario trivia to delete
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  01:49, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * London, Ontario trivia to delete → London, Ontario (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I am nominating this redirect for deletion because it violates multiple criteria outlined in WP:RFD. Specifically, it violates criterion 1 ("The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles"); criterion 5 ("The redirect makes no sense"); and criterion 8 ("If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target").

The redirect page now at London, Ontario trivia was moved to London, Ontario trivia to delete back in 2006. The move was made with the clear intention of having the page history of London, Ontario trivia deleted as an implausible redirect without going through the usual processes (both pages redirected to London, Ontario, at the time). I have reverted this move to preserve the previous page history; that redirect can be discussed separately. Regardless of the merits of the title London, Ontario trivia, there is no reason for this redirect to exist. Epicgenius (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, I can't think of any valid reason to keep it.   PK  T (alk)  17:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - implausible search term with no plausible target. For what it's worth, London, Ontario trivia was once an article, many years ago, for a non-consecutive total of one day and 35 minutes. It was moved to this title a year later by, the trivia article's author, who is evidently still around but not very active. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The redirect is correct: Let's delete it. Steel1943  (talk) 04:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete since the Redirect says so per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:36, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete yes this title's history just contains a few moves etc and is yes trivial!  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:45, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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Udall
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 21%23Udall

تراجم شعراء السودان
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 11:25, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * تراجم شعراء السودان → List of Sudanese writers (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This really doesn't meet the criteria for a foreign language redirect under WP:FORRED. "List of Sudanese poets" isn't an English translation of a Sudanese or an Arabic-language concept, where we're also providing a redirect at the original term. (This Arabic isn't an exact translation anyway, it means "translations of Sudanese poems".) Largoplazo (talk) 11:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete: This redirection is in Arabic and does not serve any clear purposes. The page creator, User talk:Professor ahmadalsafi, does not seem to understand basic policies, his contribution are either creating a page about himself or creating this page (the original version) completely in arabic. FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per Redirects in languages other than English. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:37, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I twice challenged a speedy deletion here, which in retrospect might have been poor judgement; my reasoning was that the deletion summary gave the impression that both the nominator and the deleting admin thought all foreign-language redirects should be deleted and showed no evidence of evaluating the WP:FORRED factors. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:58, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
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Abbas-Mustan’s Next
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 11:22, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Abbas-Mustan’s Next">Abbas-Mustan’s Next → Naqaab (2007 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

What kind of title is this? Besides, a 2007 film can't be their "next" when they've made so many films ever since. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  08:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Implausible redirect that should've been speedy deleted in 2007. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, never mind… It was actually created in 2006, and was an article for five months before being renamed and moved to its current title at Naqaab (2007 film), but I'm not entirely sure if it should be kept for some type of attribution. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:03, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete redirects from moves don't generally need to be kept for attribution, the concern is instead page views, of this gets relatively few and it's not at all clear that they are being sent to the right place. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 05:58, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
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Operation Mud Hen
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 21%23Operation Mud Hen

Unmentioned parodies of We Didn't Start the Fire
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 22:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The Wii Didn't Start the Fire → We Didn't Start the Fire (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pet Names for Genitalia → We Didn't Start the Fire (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

As the result of an AfD discussion in 2005, the "Pet names" article's content was merged into We Didn't Start the Fire, but it seems to have been long, long removed. It's now contextless and a bit odd. I considered a redirect to Tom Green according to the AfD, the performer of said parody song, but it's not mentioned at his article either. Bundling "The Wii Didn't Start the Fire" as a page that has a similar history except just a request to be an article instead of becoming a redirect from an AfD, but both long unmentioned parodies targetting this song. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 21:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:57, 5 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 04:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Weak retarget Pet Names for Genitalia to wikt:Thesaurus:penis, as both the song and the wiktionary page are about alternative ways to refer to penises. Otherwise I guess these pages should be deleted. Duckmather (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete both as unmentioned. Optionally, Pet Names for Genitalia may be moved to Pet names for genitalia and soft redirected per Duckmather. Jay  💬 06:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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DVD coaster
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Althought the nomination started as a deletion nomination, the nom suggested an alternate target, which did not find much support. The delete votes did not have an opinion on the suggested target either. However, there was no support for the current target, hence retargeting to Optical disc authoring.  Jay  💬 06:10, 27 December 2022 (UTC)


 * DVD coaster → Coaster (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not an ambiguous term disambiguated at the target; apparently a reference to the use of a DVD case poorly burned (written) DVD as a drink coaster, but not mentioned anywhere on enwiki. Suggest deletion; there is a very old one-line unsourced stub in the page history that would almost certainly not be kept at Afd. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:42, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This context is mentioned at Optical disc authoring, so that is a possible redirect target. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 19:08, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have heard of DVDs being referred to as "coasters", but not burned discs. MightyArms (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete although I have used old/unwanted CD-ROM discs as drinks coasters in the past, we don't seem to have a good target for the search term.  Hut 8.5  18:31, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you consider Optical disc authoring? We don't have CD coaster, but that section at least describes the use of "coasters" in this context: recordable discs (presumably incl. DVDs) gone bad being relegated to use as coasters. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:56, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Retarget or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 04:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Optical disc authoring per Mdewman, as it does seem like a plausible target. Otherwise deletion seems best. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete GNews Archives, GBooks and Google search did not provide good cites for "DVD coasters". There are forums talking about it but I think they're not enough to warrant inclusion/ mention in the target article.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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King Combs
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 20%23King Combs

Reform UK turquoise
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 04:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Reform UK turquoise → Turquoise (color) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Brexit Party turquoise → Turquoise (color) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Brexit Party blue → Turquoise (color) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Reform UK blue → Turquoise (color) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 12B6CF → Turquoise (color) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

After successfully removed Reform UK turquoise from Turquoise (color), these redirects no longer have a proper target. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times, times"> MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:08, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete bad redirects. Sahaib (talk) 08:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Someone cared waaaay too much about the branding used by an obscure political party. Good work for spotting these. MartinPoulter (talk) 12:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and above. While yes, Reform UK is a notable party, I'm not sure that means the specific turquoise in the logo is also notable enough for Wikipedia (that quality is not WP:INHERITED)-the same reason we don't have stuff like Starbucks green, McDonald's gold, or Republican Party red. Regards, SONIC 678 17:08, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:01, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
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Kamen Rider × Super Sentai: Super Hero Taisen PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 03:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Kamen Rider × Super Sentai: Super Hero Taisen PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE">Kamen Rider × Super Sentai: Super Hero Taisen PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE → Super Hero Taisen series (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target. Not sure why this shouldn't go directly to Kamen Rider × Super Sentai: Super Hero Taisen rather than the overview article, or be deleted because of the "PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE" making it an implausible search term. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 02:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete none of "past", "present", or "future" are mentioned at Kamen Rider × Super Sentai: Super Hero Taisen * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 05:58, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
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Protestant whore
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 * The result of the discussion was refine to Nell Gwyn#Legacy  .  Jay  💬 01:58, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Protestant whore → Nell Gwyn (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There does not appear to be a wp:primary topic for this phrase. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - the use of the phrase is described in the article, and there don't appear to be any better targets. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, refine this redirect to Nell Gwyn (and move the hatnote to that section too), as the phrase Protestant whore is only mentioned in that section. Otherwise, sending readers to the lead section would just confuse them. Duckmather (talk) 19:53, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
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Twittergate
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Chautauqua CARTS
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 02:39, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Chautauqua CARTS → Chautauqua Area Rural Transit System (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a leftover R from move ( was moved to Chautauqua Area Rural Transit System where the move comment was "Full name, not repeating the C"). From WP:BEFORE it does not seem like CARTS is ever called "Chautauqua CARTS". <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 18:56, 5 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I left a redirect when moving the article because the page creator Allamericanbear evidently considered that original name to be of some use. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep seems unambiguous and a plausible mistake (similarly, I can imagine calling the BART the "Bay Area BART" even if that is, in principle, in the name already). It doesn't seem to be used often but it seems at minimum unobjectionable to keep from the move. Rusalkii  (talk) 04:26, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Completely unambiguous, and was at this title for 12 years, so without doubt WP:RFD applies. Further, this is a perfectly plausible search term (not necessarily even a mistake) as someone may be searching for this not knowing what CARTS stands for but knowing it is the transport system in Chautauqua, or disambiguating it (and indeed CARTS does refer to more than one such system). A7V2 (talk) 23:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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IBM 370
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 06:04, 28 December 2022 (UTC)


 * IBM 370 → IBM System/370 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect should be changed to a DAB page, with a primary of IBM 370 printer. The common abbreviation for System/370 is S/370, not IBM 370, and readers are not highly likely to be searching on IBM 370 unless they are looking for the printer. Users looking for the printer will be surprised by a page for unrelated, much later, products. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 13:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Change This is a reasonable and non-controversial suggestion. Expanding a redirect is within the range of normal editing and does not need discussion here. I have made the changes. This discussion should be speedy closed.--agr (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep as is. This should not be a dab page per WP:ONEOTHER. The issue is which is the primary topic, the computer system or the printer. The computer gets |IBM_370_printer 50x the page views and searching shows "IBM 370" is a common name for the computer series and overwhelming what readers would be looking for if they searched on "IBM 370". <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 15:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ONEOTHER is not so applicable here. IBM 370 is the official model name of the printer. It's just shorthand for the IBM System/370. Also ONEOTHER would instead require a hatnote on the IBM System/370 article, which I think is a worse outcome than a dab for IBM 370. For a reader searching for IBM 370, encountering a dab page is a minor inconvenience; for the far greater number of readers landing directly on the System/370 page, e.g. from a link, a hatnote reminding them of an obscure printer is unnecessary clutter.--agr (talk) 16:32, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ONEOTHER applies when there is a primary topic and one other meaning. The current situation is that there is no primary topic, so ONEOTHER is not relevant.  If that changes, ONEOTHER may start to apply. Certes (talk) 14:03, 7 December 2022 (UTC) See belated correction below Certes (talk) 10:05, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 13:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Change to DAB or make IBM 370 printer the primary. I did a google search for IBM 370 and only one of the hits, https://www.chessprogramming.org/IBM_370, actually contained IBM 370, and that only in the page name. There is absolutely no evidence that highly likely ... to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.  WP:NWFCTM appears to apply here. Is there any evidence of readers looking for information on the IBM S/370 keying in the page name IBM 370? --Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 14:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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 * Query I would like to hear from, who is the one commenter to date that opposes a dab, if they considered the fact that with a redirect only, WP:ONEOTHER would require a hatnote at the IBM System/370 article mentioning the IBM 370 printer, and if so, why they think that is preferable to a dab at IBM 370 and not unnecessary clutter.--agr (talk) 02:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @ArnoldReinhold, because the majority of readers who search for IBM 370, which is common shorthand for the computer system, will be taken directly to the article they want to read, instead of having to navigate through a dab page. This is standard navigation when there is a primary topic. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 02:31, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep. System/370 seems to be primary by usage, and by long-term significance given that a decade is a long time in computing.  It has far more search results, page views and incoming links than the printer.  Second choice: dab.  Retargetting to the printer, even with a hatnote, would send most readers to the wrong article.  Apologies for my misleading comment above, where I misread the perfectly proper preparation of a dab below #REDIRECT as a premature change from redirect to dab. Certes (talk) 10:05, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the others on the primary topic. My external search results matched that of the keep voters, and not the nom's. Also, the hatnote to the printer has been there since 2012. Jay  💬 18:45, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
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New York Time
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Time in New York. And hatnote The New York Times from there.  Jay  💬 03:24, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * New York Time → The New York Times (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Readers are at least as likely to be seeking the America/New_York time zone. Certes (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:10, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for notifying me -- totally agree with you, please make it a disambig. --5ko (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Since a correct usage almost always trumps an incorrect one, retarget to Time in New York per nom and create  to match. Then hatnote with . --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 13:49, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with Tamzin: retarget with disambiguating hatnote at Time in New York. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#4682B4 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#4682B4 -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#000000"><i style="color:#999900">Cambial </i>— <b style="color:#218000">foliar❧</b> 16:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If we're making a dab, there's also a New York edition of Time (magazine), though I've never heard the phrase used in that context. Certes (talk) 17:01, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambig between Time in New York and Eastern Time Zone I see both as plausible targets. Most world clock apps, for example, use "New York" as a stand in for Eastern Time just as how "Los Angeles" stands in for Pacific Time or "London" for GMT. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:28, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Given that  already points to Time in New York, it would be strange for an avoided double redirect of that to be a DAB. Or, to put it another way, the strict meaning of "New York" in a timezone list is not "Eastern time" but rather "whatever time it currently is in New York State". For sites and apps that are being faithful to the intention of the tz database, if New York were to suddenly leave Eastern time, a user who had selected "America/New_York" would be put on the state's new timezone. (At least I think I have this right. Elli was ranting to me about it a while ago.) --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 22:09, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, Time in New York is a good target for the timezone meaning and links prominently to Eastern Time Zone. If we do need a dab, it's to disambiguate from the newspaper and any other meanings.  (Pedantically, I think America/New_York is the time in NYC rather NY state, as zone names take the form Continent/City, but it amounts to the same thing.) Certes (talk) 22:47, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This just leads me to think that America/New_York should be retargeted to Eastern Time Zone, which is probably the primary topic here. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:55, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to Time in New York, create New York time, and hatnote exactly per Tamzin. No need for a dab page. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. RoostTC (ping me!) 06:37, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).