Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 18

December 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 18, 2022.

Chanderpaul
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Editors remain split between keep and setindexify after three relists. signed,Rosguill talk 22:50, 27 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Chanderpaul → Shivnarine Chanderpaul (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose converting to a DAB page, as there are 3 valid targets for this name: Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Tagenarine Chanderpaul and Chanderpaul Hemraj (an alternate spelling for Chandrapaul Hemraj). Whilst Shiv got the most views historically, more and more people will be looking for his son, who is an active cricketer at almost international level. Pageviews:, Tagenarine is getting about 1/2 the views that his father is, compared to about 10% a year ago. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 14:29, 2 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as is for the time being. Obviously we can re-evaluate if the younger Chanderpaul gains more recognition, but for now he's uncapped and a clear second on long-term significance, which is all the more obvious when you factor in WP:RECENTISM in that he plays now, yet he still lags his father by 50%. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * SetIndexify: Even with the father being more notable for cricket and definitely having more accolades than his son, being an active player referred to by that name would mean a reasonable number of people, even if only at a 1:2 ratio, are looking for him when searching for Chanderpaul makes me think there isn't a strong WP:PTOPIC here, but that's admittedly in my interpreting a 1:2 ratio as not fulfilling much more likely than any other single topic, but that's definitely subjective. I then would argue this can't be resolved with WP:TWODABS necessitating an SIA. TartarTorte 15:02, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Participants are evenly split between disambiguating and keeping… Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk!</b> 23:53, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep for now per Amakuru, and hatnote to the others to serve the 50%. Jay  💬 09:47, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
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Taihoku County
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 26%23Taihoku County

CapeTownMagazine.com
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  02:44, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * CapeTownMagazine.com → Cape Town (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect from a magazine covering a city to the city itself; the magazine evidently merited a sentence in 2006, but now there are zero mentions outside a citation. I suggest deletion. Vahurzpu (talk) 21:16, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete: No mention in the target article, no substantial page history, and only one incoming link from mainspace. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 01:31, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - No mention in the target article. Carpimaps (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 13:13, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
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Merciful Jesus
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  02:43, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Merciful Jesus → Jesus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not useful at all, no mention at the target. I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 19:35, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The redirect is also a partial title matches to Congregation of the Sisters of Merciful Jesus and Cathedral of the Merciful Jesus, Vitebsk. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Who even calls him by that name ? Dimadick (talk) 13:33, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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Jesus Christ, our savior and lord. Amen.
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  02:42, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Jesus Christ, our savior and lord. Amen.">Jesus Christ, our savior and lord. Amen. → Jesus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unhelpful due to the capitalisation. I recommend deletion. Jesus Christ, our savior and lord also exists, I do not know if its validity should also be questioned. Veverve (talk) 19:33, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This is certainly a phrase that is used quite a bit, but someone entering it with the "Amen" would probably be expecting to find an article on a particular prayer containing this phrase, not Jesus himself. (For that they would search just "Jesus Christ, our lord and savior" [thus I'm fine keeping that] or, ya know, just "Jesus Christ" or "Jesus".) But there doesn't seem to be any one article on any particular liturgical topic to point to, so delete. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 11:25, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete due to several miscaps. The phrase seems to be part of a prayer from the Book of Worship for Church and Home (1965) -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:00, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Pointless redirect. Dimadick (talk) 13:34, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Uncontroversial delete. <templatestyles src="Legend/styles.css" /> Ploni &#128172; 15:49, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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Eashoa
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 26%23Eashoa

Notice Box
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . WP:CSD G5, creator blocked as sock.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 12:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Notice Box → Template:Notice Box (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Recently created cross-name space redirect to a template that has one transclusion on the creator's user page. Not useful. Whpq (talk) 19:13, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Template:Introduction box. Because it was my idea from RPG Maker Wiki as a content warning two years ago, but that's my box that I made for my Wikipedia user page. Fortunewriter (talk) 03:49, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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Solar gun
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Sun gun. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Solar gun → Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article. WP:GAMECRUFT #7 (non-notable weapon) Dominicmgm (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Sun gun. This is the name of a non-notable trophy without a mention in the current target article. Pointing this redirect to my proposed target would serve a more useful purpose. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 22:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to either Sun gun (as already explained) or to Boktai: The Sun Is in Your Hand. For Boktai, the protagonist of the series uses the Solar Gun as part of the story, which apparently MGS4 references.  --Super Goku V (talk) 08:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to sun gun per others. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:05, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sun gun per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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Porridge (TV series)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 26%23Porridge (TV series)

Brandon Roberts (musician)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 26%23Brandon Roberts (musician)

Qualified independent contractor
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 25%23Qualified independent contractor

Duluoz Legend
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Jack Kerouac bibliography. Restored previous target. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Duluoz Legend → Vanity of Duluoz (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Duluoz Legend" is a term used by Jack Kerouac to refer to his collected semi-autobiographical prose works. This was an article until 2013, when I redirected it to Jack Kerouac bibliography, on the basis that the categorisation is unlikely to be notable and the article giving an overview of Kerouac's work is the closest topic. Two weeks ago Gnominist retargeted it to Vanity of Duluoz, one of the novels that make up the "legend". As the name isn't used in either of those articles, or discussed in much depth in any other article, there's a case to be made for deleting this. On the other hand, if we do want to keep it, the previous target seems preferable to the current one. There may also be an argument for restoring the article and sending it to AfD, though no one's expressed any support for an article on the subject in the last nine years. I'd be interested to know what others think. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:53, 3 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:11, 10 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 10:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Nominator comment: if nobody else weighs in here my preference would be to revert to the previous target (where I'll try to add a mention) rather than a WP:SOFTDELETE. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:28, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Revert to previous target per nom. Jay  💬 17:19, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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Belle France
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:53, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Belle France → France (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear why this redirect targets its target. Also, using this term on third-party search engines using this term return primarily results for a clothing company and nothing about the country. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 3 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:52, 10 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 09:58, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep;   looking a bit harder this seems a common synonym. I'm of the opinion that a synonym redirect needs no mention to be helpful as its very redirection is all the information the reader needs as to the term's meaning. Or the reader simply wants the France article; it works both ways.  J947  † edits 22:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Those links make it seem as though the synonym is "La Belle France" with the "La" included. The Australian article makes it seem as though the editor who wrote the headline decided to use a made-up, WP:OR-ish title to make the title sound great without providing any evidence the phrase without "La" refers to France. Also, the "stackexchange" link's text reads as though "Belle France" without "La" is erroneous/improper as well. With all that being said, third party search results for the phrase "Belle France" still tend to bring up results for the clothing company, meaning there's a good chance readers of English are not looking for the country when searching "Belle France". Steel1943  (talk) 07:17, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep per J947. Certainly a common term, much used by the French themselves (with "la", but given WP:THE...) Johnbod (talk) 19:37, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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Kristne
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 25%23Kristne

Sense of achievement
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:11, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Sense of achievement → Peak experience (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target articles says a "peak experience" is a euphoric altered state of consciousness. I believe a sense of achievement is usually more mundane. Delete. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 03:38, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Gingermead (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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50 Kopecks Army
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:10, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Not mentioned in target. Delete unless there is some justification provided. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 03:31, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * 50 Kopecks Army → Russian web brigades (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 50 Kopeck Army → Russian web brigades (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Delete: A Google search for this in quotes only returns the RfD page. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 10:03, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Presumably a play on 50 Cent Party; see for non-RS usage. But not mentioned at target, and not likely to be, so delete.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 12:24, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. Gingermead (talk) 00:29, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
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