Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 25

December 25
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 25, 2022.

Pera the Gate
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 2%23Pera the Gate

Pseudoephedra
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 2%23Pseudoephedra

Conflict in Iraq
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Iraqi conflict (2003–present). (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 00:22, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Conflict in Iraq → Iraq War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Iraq Conflict → Iraq War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Iraqi conflict (2003–present). These are very similar to Iraqi conflict which redirects to Iraqi conflict (2003–present). Caenus (talk) 16:57, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the nom. This topic is much broader than the initial American invasion. Glades12 (talk) 18:38, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Architecture of Egypt
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 3%23Architecture of Egypt

Qualified independent contractor
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 2%23Qualified independent contractor

Video hardware
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Category:Video hardware. signed,Rosguill talk 05:14, 5 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Video hardware → Graphics hardware (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. In addition, hardware that generates video is not exclusive to computers (which Graphics hardware seems to be), for example, VCRs. Steel1943 (talk) 21:23, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Video hardware is a distinct category separate from Category:Graphics hardware, but they share the same Cat main, Graphics hardware. Video is an electronic medium first developed for mechanical television systems, whereas graphics are visual images or designs on some surface, such as a wall, canvas, screen, paper, or stone – that don't necessarily make use of electronics for their creation or transmission. There has been a generalize tag on Graphics hardware since May 2016: "This article describes only one highly specialized aspect of its associated subject." There is a more specific article, Computer graphics, and category, Category:Computer graphics, of which Category:Graphics hardware is a subcategory. Category:Graphics hardware is also a subcategory of Category:Video hardware. Perhaps Category:Graphics hardware should be renamed to Category:Computer graphics hardware as items like paint, paintbrushes, pens and pencils could be broadly construed as "graphics hardware". Computer graphics hardware is a red link. See Category talk:Graphics hardware; I've transcluded the relevant discussion below. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 17:29, 17 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 10:57, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * In the absence of a standalone article or a List of video devices, readers will be best helped by going to Category:Video hardware. Retarget there. Jay  💬 03:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Kristne
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 2%23Kristne

Device ID
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 05:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Device ID → Device driver (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per third-party search engines. The concept of the term as a reference in this redirect is not exclusive to device drivers. For example, it seems that this phrase can also be used to refer to serial numbers and MAC addresses. Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 9 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 17:29, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 10:35, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't doubt that device ID has other meanings, it is such a generic term. But good chance this is what a user might be looking for, and if we don't have anything else, what is the proposal here?  If other uses in Wikipedia articles can be found then it can become a dab page, but otherwise, leave it alone. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 18:03, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XY, my first thought when seeing "device ID" was Advertising ID. I could also see serial number and MAC address being plausible destinations too. There's also Device fingerprint. None are perfect equivalents to "Device ID", so I think this is where we should let search take over. Legoktm (talk) 07:01, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete as hopelessly vague, and without a plausible target article or disambiguation page. Disagree with Spark that there is a good chance readers will be looking for device drivers. An external search indicates mobile or smartphone and which is what Serial number is. Jay  💬 03:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Solangi
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 2%23Solangi

Thunder Only Happens When It's Raining
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . After two relists, it sees like consensus is to keep. (non-admin closure) <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 23:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thunder Only Happens When It's Raining → Dreams (Fleetwood Mac song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Thunder only happens when it's raining → Dreams (Fleetwood Mac song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target; this seems to be part of the lyrics. Also is the actual name of a song by another group. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 04:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 22:52, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * which group, and do they have an article? Jay  💬 18:00, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I just googled the term and found and . Searching does indicate this, the opening line of the Fleetwood Mac song, does more often seem to be a reference to that song. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 18:20, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 06:21, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is helpful for a very popular song, and I would suggest the primary topic if there were ever a choice. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:27, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete I'm not sure if this redirect warrants fair use. If there's a otherwise a section discussing this then this falls on RFD delete #10. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:24, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Shhh, and since there is no other article either for an alternate song or band related to the title per nom. A reader who knows one line of a song, would be looking for the rest of it, or its source, and not necessarily discussion around it. Jay  💬 06:48, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Helpful and unambiguous. No need for deletion. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:39, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

3D art
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 2%233D art