Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 5

December 5
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 5, 2022.

Unmentioned parodies of We Didn't Start the Fire
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 13%23Unmentioned parodies of We Didn't Start the Fire

Twittergate
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 13%23Twittergate

Katsusuke Meguro
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 00:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Katsusuke Meguro → wikispecies:Katsusuke Meguro (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not sure if this qualifies for AfD or RfD given it targets wikispecies. This wikispecies target page is about an ichthyologist. It seems like this should probably be WP:REDYES'd. It seems like this soft redirect to wikispecies for a non-species is a WP:SURPRISE, at least to me. TartarTorte 21:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep - There is a previous RfD on this class of redirects. At the time, there were far fewer of them, and the result was to keep. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:01, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep as a reasonable soft redirect. No prejudice on article creation though. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:34, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Fei Ngo Shan Road
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . It seems that all of the opposition to this redirect, including both IP comments below, has come from various sox of a single LTA. Blocks applied. Redirect semi'd indef. No prejudice against re-RfD if someone other than this LTA takes issue with the redirect.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 16:32, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Fei Ngo Shan Road → Kowloon Peak (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The original AfD discussion for this article closed with a consensus to redirect to this target, however, multiple oppositions have been made regarding this target, including claims of this road extending beyond this peak, with possible targets for this redirect pointing to. I am starting this discussion in hopes of determining the most appropriate target for this redirect, given the opposition. Jalen Folf  (talk)  19:38, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * This road is notable in Hong Kong, especially to drivers, cyclist and hikers. The original AfD is wrong about notability. See the number of articles about "飛鵝山道" in Google, it is 145,000. Although the number of English articles about "Fei Ngo Shan Road" is 18,600, less by one digit. It is by its nature the major access road to the hilly area enclosed by Kowloon, Shatin and Saikung, albeit without public transport. Anyway it is easily accessible by drivers, loved by drivers. It is one of best place to view the whole urban area of Kowloon and Hong Kong and the Victoria Harbour, scenic days and nights. It is a pre-WWII road built by the British Army to control of the territory and to defense the harbour, once on the defense line against Japanese Invasion of 1941. A native resident in Hong Kong, who never visit this road, knows that it is a well-known place for (maybe illicit) couples to play in their cars, and recently they got their fine tickets under strict counter-COVID measures.
 * Building an article requires days of efforts to research, to collect, to write and to improve. On the contrary, any Wikipedian, without any prior knowledge, or without any serious research, can request for deletion any time. It is waste of time to give comments again and again. Even 15 minutes of typing may waste a day for reasoning. Let them do what they want is more reasonable and effective.
 * &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 05:08, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: While the only !vote is to keep, but there is a lot of other discussion where a relist for further discussion seems appropriate. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TartarTorte 20:35, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep regardless of the exact boundaries of the road, provides less information to the reader than does the current target, and is a far less suitable place to add additional sourced content about the road. Once there is more sourced content about the road, we can consider splitting that content out to this lemma (note that the AFD merely came to a conclusion on the state of the article without looking at the notability of the topic, and one of the only two participants explicitly stated that It is useful to preserve the history under the redirect to allow for editors to undo the redirect if significant coverage in reliable sources is found.) 61.239.39.90 (talk) 06:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: According to maps and the statutory definition most of the entire length of this road lies outside the Wong Tai Sin District or the area as defined in s 3 and the Fifth Schedule of the Interpretations Act. Meanwhile Kowloon Peak is only one of the five (or more?) peaks it transverses (though it appears it's numbered from that end - Cha Liu Au to be accurate). 121.202.138.208 (talk) 10:18, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Yes, 121.202.138.208. Most of the road lies within the New Territories. 42.200.57.34 (talk) 09:30, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

DVD coaster
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 13%23DVD coaster

Chautauqua CARTS
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 13%23Chautauqua CARTS

Dust (Babylon 5)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of Babylon 5 episodes. Legoktm (talk) 07:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Dust (Babylon 5)">Dust (Babylon 5) → Babylon 5 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Fictional drug not mentioned anymore at target article. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 18:54, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Although the term is in the series, not being on the target article makes this redirect unnecessary and confusing. Also seems like an unlikely thing to actually be searching on. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:52, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a redirect with history, although it may or may not have been merged to a list that was deleted - List of fictional medicines and drugs. Retarget to List of Babylon 5 episodes which is the same target of Dust to Dust (Babylon 5). Jay  💬 18:18, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to List of Babylon 5 episodes per Jay, as the name of this redirect and the episode are both fairly similar. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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Salmon and Trout
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 17%23Salmon and Trout

IBM 370
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 13%23IBM 370

New York Time
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 13%23New York Time

United States/Government
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 12%23United States/Government

Stink eye
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 12%23Stink eye

Adriano (footballer, born 1982)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 12%23Adriano (footballer, born 1982)

Selective-sliding
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 12%23Selective-sliding

5 speed
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 09:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * 5 speed → Manual transmission (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

5 speed transmissions (which don't necessarily need to be manual anyway) are not specifically discussed at the current target, only mentioned in passing, so a would-be searcher will be unlikely to find what they are looking for. Further, note that it is the only redirect of this type which goes to the target, and similar redirects 4-speed and 6 Speed (which you get if searching "4 speed" or "6 speed" target disparate things unrelated to vehicle transmissions. I suggest delete. A7V2 (talk) 08:10, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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Downshift
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 12%23Downshift

H-pattern
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 12%23H-pattern

Four on the floor (transmission)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 12%23Four on the floor (transmission)

Template:R to publisher
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 12%23Template:R to publisher

Volkswagen Industrial Motor
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Volkswagen Industrial Motor → Volkswagen Group (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target page is only loosely related to the subject, and contains no information about the subject. ilmaisin (talk) 02:00, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The only mention at the target is collapsed in the infobox. I can only find passing mentions in other articles so I can't see a suitable alternative target. A7V2 (talk) 08:41, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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