Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 5

February 5
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 5, 2022.

Bb bullets & Bb pellets
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 13%23Bb bullets & Bb pellets

Big Congo
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Heanor (talk) 09:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Big Congo → Democratic Republic of the Congo (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

delete, no mention in the target article. Can be offensive for people from the Republic of the Congo Heanor (talk) 21:16, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep It's a bit harder to find usages of this name, apparently because "big Congo [X]" is unexpectedly common, but the United States Joint Publications Research Service book source below at Little Congo's RfD mentions it opposite of Little Congo. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 06:11, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as a plausible search term. I see some usage (e.g. here), and it is very plausible that a reader might know which Congo they're interested in but not remember whether it's called the "Republic" or the "Democratic Republic". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per both above. Thryduulf (talk) 16:51, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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Little Congo
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Heanor (talk) 09:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Little Congo → Republic of the Congo (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

delete, no mention in the target article. Can be offensive. Heanor (talk) 21:14, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems to have informal usage, as mentioned in places such as Translations on Sub-Saharan Africa. United States, United States Joint Publications Research Service, 1969, p. 61. and Congo Business Law Handbook: Strategic Information and Laws. United States, International Business Publications USA, 2013, back cover.. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 00:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as a plausible search term. I see some usage (e.g. here), and it is very plausible that a reader might know which Congo they're interested in but not remember whether it's called the "Republic" or the "Democratic Republic". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per both above. Thryduulf (talk) 16:52, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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David Ayers
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . While there was no consensus for what to do for the redirect, there was consensus to disambiguate David Ayres which is now available at David Ayres (disambiguation). Whether the hockey player is the primary topic can be discussed at the disambiguation talk page. Whether the soldier's page be moved over the redirect can be discussed as a WP:RM.  Jay (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * David Ayers → David Ayres (Medal of Honor) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Page was initially at this title but was moved because "That's how it's spelled on gravestone." However, ice hockey goalie David Ayres is currently the primary topic for that spelling. Given "Ayers" does not appear to be the correct spelling, either this should be redirected to the hockey guy or the medal of honor guy should be the primary topic. Smartyllama (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * May I suggest "(Medal of Honor)" after the name in the article title? And leave the hockey player as the primary? Boo Boo (talk) 15:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Move David Ayres (soldier) back to David Ayers. Misspelling or not, WP goes by the sources, which mostly use Ayers. Dabify David Ayres using David Ayres/David Ayers (the soldier) and David Ayres (ice hockey). In a nod to pagemover, this would demonstrate that the soldier has equal or better claim to the primary usage of David Ayres. <span style="font-family:ariel, serif;color:maroon">Havradim  <span style="font-family:Ariel, serif;color: darkgreen">leaf a message  21:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Sound good to me. Thanks and cheers! Boo Boo (talk) 20:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * Comment If this is approved, then per MOS:DABREDIR it might be a good idea to either add a pipe to David Ayers on the dab page, calling him David Ayres, or otherwise use David Ayres (soldier) as a redirect (I'm not sure which procedure is correct). <span style="font-family:ariel, serif;color:maroon">Havradim <span style="font-family:Ariel, serif;color: darkgreen">leaf a message  07:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Move David Ayres to David Ayres (ice hockey). Create DAB on David Ayres. Retarget David Ayers to the DAB David Ayres. --Thesmp (talk) 11:58, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * at 11:36, 21 January 2022 moved page David Ayres (Medal of Honor) to David Ayres (soldier) (Unnecessarily specific disambiguation). I don't see that they have registered their opinion on this matter here. – wbm1058 (talk) 19:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I’m relaxed about whether the soldier is the primary, but if he needs to be disambiguated, I’m unaware of any other soldier of that name from whom he needs to be disambiguated, so (soldier) is all that is required. (Medal of Honor) is unnecessarily specific, and frankly not appropriate, as it doesn’t describe him, but an award he received. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * FYI. This one is somewhat more complex because of the various name variants. I'm working on cleaning this up now. See Talk:Air India Flight 182. – wbm1058 (talk) 14:44, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as retargeted mid-discussion to David Ayres (soldier). |David_Ayres|David_Ayers|David_Cooper_Ayres Pageviews show the hockey player to be the primary topic. I suppose an argument could be made for the long-term significance of the Civil War soldier, but I'm not really seeing it. My initial reaction about the hockey player was "what? this guy's only appeared in a single NHL game?" But I wasn't aware of the NHL's system for using an "emergency backup goaltender", nor that he was the first such goaltender to record an NHL win, nor that Disney has a feature film in the works about this guy's big BLP one-event. I'd just assumed that – as with Major League Baseball, when a team runs out of pitchers in a game that extends deep into extra innings, they use their best non-pitcher pitcher who's still not been put in the game – the Carolina Hurricanes would be forced to put a defenseman on goal rather than put the Zamboni driver in the game, LOL. I think this hockey player actually has greater long-term significance. I'm relaxed about whether the civil war hero remains at David Ayres (soldier) or moves back to David Ayers. There seems to be no consensus on that, so feel free to take that matter to WP:Requested moves. – wbm1058 (talk) 19:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. I found the various hatnotes to be cumbersome, so I just created David Ayres (disambiguation). – wbm1058 (talk) 20:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * FYI. I just moved the deleted PROD off of the base title to David Ayers (actor). (David Ayers at the IMDb) (David Ayers at the IBDB) – wbm1058 (talk) 17:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per wbm1058 on the assumption that the soldier is the only one for whom this spelling has been attested. No strong opinion on either of the two proposed moves, but the pageviews do clearly suggest that the hockey player should stay at the primary title. – Uanfala (talk) 19:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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ʻAʻā
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.3em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="ʻAʻā">ʻAʻā → Lava (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="‘A‘a">‘A‘a → Lava (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * 'A'a → Lava (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="`A`a">`A`a → Lava (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="'A'ā">'A'ā → Lava (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The uppercase-starting name refers to the star Sirius and should be targeted there. See the discussion and sources at the 'A RfD. The equivalent lowercase-starting name correctly points to lava, and should be retained ('a'a - ʻaʻa - `a`a - 'a'ā - ʻaʻā).

Also, if all of these variations do not make sense, keep the proper one pointing to the right target, and delete the rest. Jay (talk) 20:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 21:07, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment All of these look like very plausible substitutions for the ʻOkina so they should not be deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 20:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * These redirects represent one of the several Hawaiian names for Sirius. It is not mentioned in the article about the star (even though there's brief coverage of its role in Hawaiian culture), and I'm not sure there's any scope for changing that. On the other hand, targeting the lava section is perfectly appropriate: in this meaning, the terms are actually used in English. I don't think the distinction between upper and lower case initials is very relevant: the wiki software treats these two as equivalent, and it's only because of the fluke of the ʻokina that this isn't happening here and that we're in a position to be able to have separate redirects for the two case variants. – Uanfala (talk) 13:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep. For exactly the reasons User:Uanfala said, the difference in capitalization is unlikely to be salient to readers searching for the type of lava. The type of lava is definitely the primary topic for this term, and the hatnote at the target article is sufficient for helping readers who are looking for the star. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Template:Largest Israeli cities
<span id="Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Template:Largest Israeli cities"> <span id="Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Khokababu"> Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 15%23Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Template:Largest Israeli cities

Over expression
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Crime and Outrage Bill (Ireland) 1850
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:02, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Crime and Outrage Bill (Ireland) 1850">Crime and Outrage Bill (Ireland) 1850 → Prevention of Crime (Ireland) Act 1848 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible typo, not eligible for speedy as not recently created. DuncanHill (talk) 18:09, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - I can't see any clear reference to Crime and Outrage Bill (Ireland) 1850 in any official sources. I can see a reference to a UK House of Commons debate in 1852 titled Crime and Outrage (Ireland) Bill, along with some more around that time here, but briefly reading it doesn't appear to be another name for the bill that was passed and might've just been a working title or a mistake made when Hansard was digitised. --Bonoahx (talk) 21:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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Sadhbh O’Neill (politician)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to 2022 Dublin University by-election. The fact that an article was deleted at AfD does not mean that variants of its title cannot be redirects. The only policy-based argument for deletion was that she is not a politician, an argument which was not elaborated on and which gained no traction. (I note that ' currently targets ', but that is a double redirect and I have filed an FPER to update it.) (non-admin closure)  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 17:42, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Sadhbh O’Neill (politician)">Sadhbh O’Neill (politician) → Sadhbh O'Neill (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This page was created just after a AfD, seen here: Talk:Sadhbh O'Neill. While it was changed to a redirect, given that it was only ever created to counteract an AfD after consensus, there's no benefit to this separate page continuing on Wikipedia, even merely as redirect. It's also a misnomer, as she hasn't been a politician for many years. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 16:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am confused. Sadhbh O'Neill is currently itself a redirect to 2022 University of Dublin by-election per Articles for deletion/Sadhbh O'Neill. Sadhbh O’Neill (politician) was subsequently created as an article contrary to consensus, tagged for CSD A10, and then blanked and redirected by the admin that declined the A10. So, I would say fix the double redirect and otherwise keep as R from unnecessary disambiguation. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:44, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It should be deleted because the whole article should not have been repeatedly recreated, and this version of the title was only yet another attempt to circumvent consensus, though I’m going to say somewhat in good faith. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 21:41, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Right. Recreation of the article at a new page name was clearly inappropriate, but creation of a redirect at this title would have been fine, hence the WP:BLAR instead of speedy deletion. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:46, 6 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to same target as Sadhbh O’Neill (wherever that may be at the closing of this discussion.) This redirect is a R avoided double redirect to Sadhbh O’Neill, and thus the nominated redirect is also a R from unnecessary disambiguation, both tags which are now present on the redirect. Steel1943  (talk) 01:12, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget and add appropriate rcat tags per Steel1943. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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Google go
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Google Go. I have moved Google Go (disambiguation) there per WP:MALPLACED/MOS:DABNAME. (non-admin closure)  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 16:47, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Google go → Go (programming language) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This also same as Google Go, seems like is a search engine/an app, not programming language Vitaium (talk) 13:56, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Google Go (disambiguation), which I've just created. Thanks for pointing out the further confusion Google has created in their product namespace, Vitaium! I hadn't heard of the app until now. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 15:16, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * For reference, the uppercased RfD is at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 2. Jay (talk) 16:09, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Jonathan Deamer. Should be noted that Go isn't a proprietary language owned by Google, so Google Go would not be a common way of describing it like Angular isn't called Google Angular. --Bonoahx (talk) 19:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bonoahx - We've both suggested to retarget, but I'd nonetheless add to your point: while it's possibly not a common name for the language, I can see Google Go being a common search term for people looking for information on "Golang" distinct from the Go! programming language, which supports the idea of retargeting to the disambiguation age. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 17:56, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Jonathan Deamer That's fair, seems like a strong argument to proceed with the retarget and leave Go! as a hatnote. --Bonoahx (talk) 18:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Google Go (disambiguation) where it is discussed. I've also changed my vote in the other RfD to retarget.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:26, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Move Google Go (disambiguation) to Google Go as it is currently a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page, then point this redirect at it. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 22:19, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
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White Coat Pattern
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Cat coat genetics. signed,Rosguill talk 19:02, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * White Coat Pattern → Cat coat genetics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target section does not exist. Also, it is unclear what this redirect is meant to refer to. The term is not mentioned in the target article. Its previous target, Deaf white cat, doesn't seem to identify this term as precisely as it's worded. Not sure if the most generic retargeting option, White coat, is a helpful option. Steel1943 (talk) 20:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:33, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Cat coat genetics. The citation at that section is about coat colour pattern. Jay (talk) 20:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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White spotting gene
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * White spotting gene → Cat coat genetics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems this term is ambiguous, but not sure about a disambiguation page; seems this term could also refer to Lethal white syndrome, which is about cows. Steel1943 (talk) 20:07, 28 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:33, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and hatnote Lethal white syndrome at the target. Jay (talk) 20:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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Liberation (Intro)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Liberation (Intro)">Liberation (Intro) → Liberation (Christina Aguilera album) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I cannot determine why this redirects here, but it is an odd disambiguator, and may be ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:32, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The first track is often written as "Liberation (Intro)". This can be proven with a quick Google search. It used to be written so on this article as well, hence why I created the redirect, as I did so for all other tracks on the album at the time.  Ss  112   18:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * if the explanation is satisfactory, do you want to withdraw the nomination? Jay (talk) 05:01, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd like it to run its course. Discogs, Allmusic and Spotify do not list it as (Intro), and without a mention in the article this redirect may be ambiguous and confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:03, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep unless it can be shown to be ambiguous with something. The only other hits at a Google search for use different punctuation. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 16:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
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International Roma Conference
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 * The result of the discussion was deleted  by  per G5. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.3em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:32, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * International Roma Conference → Romani people (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Another case of WP:R #10. signed,Rosguill talk 19:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:32, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. There is no information on enwiki about the conference other than the couple of lines at the target. The same text has been duplicated in every possible "Romani in Country" article, and a search will only confuse readers when they discover the exact same result. The current target seems to be the best of all. There is no redlink that will prompt article creation (except for one at Romani people in Turkey, which I'll remove if the redirect is kept). Jay (talk) 16:12, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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Your margin is my opportunity
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  13:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Your margin is my opportunity → Jeff Bezos (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Doesn't appear to be a plausible redirect, but I'm not sure. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 10:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - it is a quote attributed to Bezos, relating to his business strategy when founding Amazon, but doesn't seem particularly useful as a redirect and isn't cited in History of Amazon or somewhere like that. This isn't Wikiquote. --Bonoahx (talk) 12:11, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per User:Bonoahx. This quote doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia, so there's no suitable target. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per User:Bonoahx. Veverve (talk) 21:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Usuario retirado
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  13:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Template:Usuario retirado → Template:Retired (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary cross-language template redirect, we generally don't keep redirects in other languages in template-space.

(noting for transparency that this was created as a direct transclusion of retired, I've updated this to be a redirect as it functionally was before and discussing at RfD therefore makes more sense than TfD) Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 10:03, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 03:03, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
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Law of maximum entropy production
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  13:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Law of maximum entropy production → Non-equilibrium thermodynamics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not an expert in this subject, but the target does not mention "Maximum entropy" or "Law of maximum entropy production". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:09, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. The deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Law of maximum entropy production ended with result merge to Principle of maximum entropy, but the article was never merged. See Talk:Law of maximum entropy production and Talk:Principle of maximum entropy for further discussion. I don't see a good redirect target, so I think it would be best to delete the redirect as misleading. Tea2min (talk) 11:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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Potatoe
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Potato. Restored previous target. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.3em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:53, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Potatoe → Dan Quayle (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect pointed to Potato for a long time, and was recently changed to its current target (as a WP:BOLD edit without discussion). I think a discussion here might be appropriate. Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 08:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Restore per MOS:PLURAL. Veverve (talk) 09:01, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Restore to Potato. I've added a sentence about Quayle to Potato. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Restore to Potato as R from misspelling --Bonoahx (talk) 12:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Restore as an archaic spelling of the word Potato. <span style="font-family:ariel, serif;color:maroon">Havradim <span style="font-family:Ariel, serif;color: darkgreen">leaf a message  06:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Restore to Potato as a plausible misspelling based on the plural. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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User:RumenAhmedRazu
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:U2 , nonexistent user - Eureka Lott 15:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * User:RumenAhmedRazu → User:EditorRazu (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Editor had attempted to rename themself by moving user page: this redirect is left over after the page was moved back. Pam D  08:10, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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User:Dronebogus/Userboxes/Userbox Name
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:U1 , user request. - Eureka Lott 15:52, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="User:Dronebogus/Userboxes/Userbox Name">User:Dronebogus/Userboxes/Userbox Name → User:Dronebogus/Userboxes/Wikipetanist (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I need this deleted as its preventing me from properly using the userbox maker nevermind, I realized what I was doing wrong, but this is still useless and can be deleted. Dronebogus (talk) 08:02, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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Battle of Falling Waters
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Battle of Williamsport. signed,Rosguill talk 19:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Battle of Falling Waters → Battle of Hoke's Run (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Suggest retargeting to Battle of Williamsport. Both battles are sometimes known by this name, but from some searching, the later and larger Battle of Williamsport is probably the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here. Current what links here is a mix of both potential targets, so the links will need to be sorted through regardless of how this RFD closes. Hog Farm Talk 21:15, 28 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 05:32, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Retarget per nom, and update hatnotes and article leads as appropriate. FWIW, Google searching certainly supports the 1863 battle as being the primary topic. I would also suggest the creation of Falling Waters (disambiguation) to disambiguate the two battles from Falling Waters, West Virginia, which is (appropriately) the target of Falling Waters. It appears the 1863 battle in particular is sometimes just referred to as "Falling Waters" (common for "Battle of" to be omitted from many battle names). Then add a hatnote to the dab page at the WV article. Also, I am happy to help fix the back links once this RfD is resolved, just ping me. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:05, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I created the dab page (now a blue link above). Mdewman6 (talk) 01:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
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Clouded tiger
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . There are sources supporting the use of the term for between two and four different animals, apparently without any being a primary topic. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Clouded tiger → Tortoiseshell cat (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Clouded Tiger → Tortoiseshell cat (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: A disambig draft will help. Although note that there is no mention of clouded or tiger at Marbled cat and Tortoiseshell cat, and no mention of tiger at Clouded leopard. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 05:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. From what I can work out, I think this is a synonym of Clouded leopard but I'm not certain (it might instead be a Marbled cat. It's not mentioned on either of those pages though. I'll drop a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cats. Thryduulf (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Seems it has been used for both the clouded leopard (e.g. britannica.com) and the marbled cat (e.g. Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary via thefreedictionary.com). The latter also gives tortoise-shell tiger as an alternative name for the marbled cat. There's a nice 19th century illustration that looks like a clouded leopard. I don't think it is in common use for either, though, so it's a question which one is rarer than the other if making a choice of most common use. A disambiguation page is probably best. — <span style="font-family:Arial;background:#d6ffe6;border:solid 1px;border-radius:5px;box-shadow:darkcyan 0px 1px 1px;"> Jts1882 &#124; talk 08:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)but
 * Comment. At the time the redirect was made, the article did mention 'clouded tiger'. But, if it was removed since then, I guess the mention was inaccurate. Gil Gamesh (talk) 17:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It was removed in 2009 (the redirect was created in 2006) by Wikiuser100 with the edit summary "uncited". I've just seen that Calico cat does mention this as an alternative name, but that is also uncited (the citation only verifies the following sentence). The term is mentioned at, and  but I've not checked the reliability or independence of those sources. Thryduulf (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambig between Calico cat, Clouded leopard, Marbled cat and (maybe) Tortoiseshell cat. Based on the comments above it seems that this term is/has been used to refer to all of these types of cat. Thryduulf (talk) 22:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Note: DAB page created at Clouded tiger (disambiguation), to be edited however is seen fit. If the RfD is closed to use the page, it should be moved to "Clouded tiger" & the "(dab)" page left as a redirect; if closed any other way, please delete the "(dab)" page entirely. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 14:10, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate --Thesmp (talk) 09:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per 's plan above, though most of the entries have been removed as unmentioned in the target articles - should be rectified. ev iolite   (talk)  18:46, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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F.U.B.A.
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay (talk) 06:30, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * F.U.B.A. → Panniculus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target or anywhere else; relationship to target unknown. Delete unless there is justification. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:00, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has nothing about this initialism and Fuba which redirects to Fubá is not a suitable target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:27, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. F.U.P.A. (with a P) is a slang term for panniculus, but I can't find any instances of F.U.B.A. being used in the same way. Retargeting to Fubá doesn't really make sense, none of the articles listed there (all people with the last name Fubá) are plausibly spelled as "F.U.B.A.". Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 12:36, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing. I found several organizations that has this acronym but they don't have wiki articles yet. I also considered retarget to FUBAR but it is a partial title match at best. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:30, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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Biochemical Systematics & Ecology (Amsterdam, The Netherlands)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As unopposed deletion request.  Jay (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Delete this awkward name. This is a misnomer. We use Amsterdam, Netherlands and we should not add for every publication also a redirect with a location dab. Especially not scientific journals with a global reach. Same problem at Biochemical Systematics and Ecology (Amsterdam, The Netherlands). Proposing both for deletion. Nothing links to these either. No added value. Only wasted. These redirects have been around less than a year! gidonb (talk) 22:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Procedural, not properly tagged for deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:10, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * <span id="Biochemical Systematics & Ecology (Amsterdam, The Netherlands)">Biochemical Systematics & Ecology (Amsterdam, The Netherlands) → Biochemical Systematics and Ecology (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Biochemical Systematics and Ecology (Amsterdam, The Netherlands)">Biochemical Systematics and Ecology (Amsterdam, The Netherlands) → Biochemical Systematics and Ecology (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
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 * Comment Coninciding with the procedural relist, I have formally added the related redirect, since the nom proposes both be deleted. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for these spans, Mdewman6! gidonb (talk) 15:26, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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Bicolor coat pattern
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 12%23Bicolor coat pattern

Sagging belly
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Panniculus. (non-admin closure)  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 03:19, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Sagging belly → Cat anatomy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article, and not exclusive to cats. Steel1943 (talk) 19:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * Delete unless a suitable target can be found. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 06:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Panniculus. Jay (talk) 20:19, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete as ambiguous and likely to cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:31, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Ambiguous how, can you give examples? Jay (talk) 09:54, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Panniculus per Jay, most appropriate target. <span style="font-family:ariel, serif;color:maroon">Havradim <span style="font-family:Ariel, serif;color: darkgreen">leaf a message  06:24, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Panniculus, seems to be the most plausible target -- Lenticel ( talk ) 11:27, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Panniculus, as a suitable target has been found. gidonb (talk) 10:45, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
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