Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 22

January 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 22, 2022.

Reginald Alfred
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Reginald Alfred → Reggie Bush (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Reginal Alfred → Reggie Bush (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:PTM, this is only part of his name and he does not go by his first + middle name. For what it's worth, Reginald Alfred is also the first + middle name of several other notable people, including: Reginald Keeling, Reg Varney, Reg Chester, Reginald Hibbert, etc. I'm also throwing in a bonus misspelling redirect *for free*! -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:42, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete or DABify' per nom. Veverve (talk) 04:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete exactly per nom's special offer. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Howl around
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 29%23Howl around

Karaoke(T-Pain song)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Karaoke(T-Pain song) → Three Ringz (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

delete incorrectly formatted disambiguation. The correctly formatted form already exists at -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 22:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:53, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Ykpaihcbka moba
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 29%23Ykpaihcbka moba

Zones and woredas of the Oromia Region (template-redirects)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz Read! Talk! 19:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Template:Zones of the Oromia Region → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Oromiya Region → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Oromia Region → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Arsi Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Baha Shewa Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Bale Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Borena Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the East Hararghe Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the East Welega Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Guji Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Horo Gudru Welega Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Illubabor Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Jimma Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Kelam Welega Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Oromia Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Shewa Kaba Zone, Oromia → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the Southwest Shewa Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the West Arsi Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the West Hararghe Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the West Shewa Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Districts of the West Welega Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Arsi Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Bale Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Borena Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Debub Mirab Shewa Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Guji Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Horo Gudru Welega Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Illubabor Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Jimma Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Kelem Welega Zone, Oromia → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Mirab Arsi Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Mirab Hararghe Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Mirab Shewa Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Mirab Welega Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Misraq Hararghe Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Misraq Shewa Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Misraq Welega Zone → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Oromia Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Template:Woredas of the Semien Shewa Zone, Oromo → Template:Districts of the Oromia Region (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These 39 template-redirects (batch #3) are left over after completing a month-long project to organize, simplify and update 167 outdated and disorganized templates (many old redirects, duplicates, and overlapping) into just 12 remaining templates. All 39 in this batch point to the same template, and have been double-checked to ensure there are no remaining articles using them. Removal of these old redirects will help to reduce any confusions as to which templates are to be used in articles, and simplify maintenance of named administrative divisions in a country (Ethiopia) which frequently renames, splits, and merges their zones and districts. Platonk (talk) 19:45, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all; no incoming links except from pages that discuss this transition. It will be easier for editors to check transclusions and links if transclusions of these templates are removed from pages like . – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 01:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomHappy editing-- IAm Chaos  08:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Woomy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz Read! Talk! 19:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Woomy → Splatoon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, internet search results don't turn up anything illuminating. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 19:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. It seems ro refer to this. Veverve (talk) 04:27, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep A popular meme for the series, redirects are WP:CHEAP, so why not keep. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:26, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not mentioned at target, and probably shouldn't be per WP:NOTFANDOM. Readers looking up this term will be disappointed not to find anything about it at the target. Steel1943  (talk) 04:14, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Enwiki has no substantive material about Woomy. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Make Our Garden Grow
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Candide (operetta). Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Make Our Garden Grow → I'm Still Here (Desperate Housewives) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not entirely sure why this redirects to a Desparate Housewives episode. The article doesn't mention this phrase. A better target would be Candide operetta, which has a song titled "Make Our Garden Grow." Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom. Almost every mention of the term on Wikipedia refers to the song from Candide. - Eureka Lott 01:18, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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Howl-O-Scream (Busch Gardens Williamsburg)
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn/bold retarget  to Howl-O-Scream. I'm essentially withdrawing this after finding the target. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 20:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Howl-O-Scream (Busch Gardens Williamsburg)">Howl-O-Scream (Busch Gardens Williamsburg) → Busch Gardens (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 19:19, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
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Baby reading
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Reading. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:53, 30 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Baby reading → Reading (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirects to a now-nonexistent anchor, not even sure if this is a real thing/plausible search term or just some WP:FRINGE crap Larry Sanger made up. Dronebogus (talk) 08:59, 15 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 16:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Re-refine to § Optimum age to learn to read, which contains the phrase early (baby) reading. Even if this is fringe, redirects from fringe terms are allowed. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 21:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Refine per Tamzin. Thryduulf (talk) 12:19, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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Megan (upcoming film)
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . I withdraw my nomination. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Megan (upcoming film)">Megan (upcoming film) → Megan (2023 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

High-maintenance redirect - it will need to be deleted in a few years. No links. Qwerfjkl talk  13:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as redirect from a page move. The target was at this title from August 2021 until it was moved today. Unclear how it is a high-maintenance redirect. There is no reason to delete in a few years too. Jay (talk) 14:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The film will no longer be upcoming. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  16:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, likely to be searched up by readers and linked externally. Even if it should be deleted in a few years, it is extremely unclear how the solution to the problem of that maintenance is to harm readers and cause a high maintenance cost anyway by bringing it to RfD. — &thinsp;J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 03:12, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hermy
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 30%23Hermy

Find and Replace
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 30%23Find and Replace

Wikipedia:ER
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep, WP:ER, retarget WT:ER  I had to manually carry this out as with the closure, the closure tool wanted to put an RFD notice on the project talk page. Should this notice be removed? I'm relatively new to closing deletion discussions. Thanks. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:04, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * ER → Wikipedia:Edit requests (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Wikipedia talk:ER → Wikipedia talk:Editor review (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:ER and WT:ER currently point to two different targets. WP:ER points to Wikipedia:Edit requests, while WT:ER points to Wikipedia talk:Editor Review. Editor Review is inactive now, and WP:ER was retargeted to Edit request in December 2015 by. retargeted both WP:ER and WT:ER in August 2014, and was reverted by. I retargeted WT:ER today, and was reverted by ; I brought it up on their talk page and decided to bring it here. I think it makes most sense to target WT:ER to Wikipedia talk:Edit requests, but I'll leave it here for others to discuss. Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  01:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Per nom, pending input from others. Signed,  IAm Chaos  01:19, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I assume this means supporting targeting the talk page to Edit requests. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  01:27, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, can someone add Wikipedia:ER to the nom? I can't figure out how to add a second set of links below. I'm tagging WP:ER right now for RfD. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  01:27, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Added the Wikipedia:ER redirect as requested. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:23, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support (target WT:ER to Wikipedia talk:Edit requests) per nom. Veverve (talk) 04:26, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support. Enterprisey (talk!) 05:59, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:AAR
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Editors remain divided on whether it is appropriate to usurp a redirect for an active project, with only minority support for deletion or disambiguation. signed,Rosguill talk 19:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * AAR → Wikipedia:WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Shortcut has very little use compared to other ones. Upcoming use in the new board Administrative action review, which is currently split between AARV and XRV (neither of which make sense). Not only will 99% of people be looking for this and not random wikiproject it will have more use here and more clarity, and be primary Naleksuh (talk) 21:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget, as the proposed target is more useful to the en.wp community as a whole. I have left notices of this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Amphibians and Reptiles and Wikipedia talk:Administrative action review. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:38, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget, because "and" (in Amphibians and Reptiles) makes for not-so-strong an acronym. This is not an amazing acronym for "Amphibians and Reptiles", and it's a very good acronym for Administrative Action Review; analogously and precedently, MR is the most used acronym for Move Review. — Alalch Emis (talk) 17:48, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget, please; I caused confusion by using this for Administrative action review today. I can't imagine it's not the primary usage going forward. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Aw, leave the poor herptologists alone. It's used 208 times to refer to their wikiproject, and been used once to refer to the new XRV.  Perhaps rename the review board to WP:Review of Administrative Responses (WP:ROAR). --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. WP:AAR has been the redirect name to the project for the past 15 years...if anything, it would be simpler to change the name of the brand-spanking-new review board.  bibliomaniac 1  5  21:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * My opinion on it is that there are retargets for shortcuts used tens of thousands of times (a bot can move them if needed) and comparatively 208 is not a lot. This problem will still exist X years from now but be "ground in" then, it is a new board right now. So now may be a good idea to retarget. Also, is the roar thing serious or joke? Not sure which. Sorry if I am being unclear, I have multiple COVID symptoms right now :( Naleksuh (talk) 21:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not a lot compared to tens of thousands, but it's a lot compared to one. The ROAR thing was the worst of all worlds, text-based semi-serious. But more seriously, we use "RV" for "review" elsewhere (WP:DRV, for example), so all we need to do is train people to call the new board "AARV" (I agree that XRV makes no sense).  If nothing else, we'd be leaving the WP:AAR wikiproject with zero plausible shortcuts; all potential other ones are taken (well, there's WP:HERP, but that feels yucky).  Seeing that AARV is easy to understand and easy to explain and easy to form a habit around, I don't know why we would want to cause grief for a wikiproject that has been using the redirect for 15 years, and is involved with actual content, instead of another dramaboard. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We also use "R" for "review" when we use MR for Move review more frequently than MRV. DRV as opposed to DR is only a thing because DR means dispute resolutoin. — Alalch Emis (talk) 22:20, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ...and AAR means amphibians and reptiles. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd think keeping the RV scheme for WP:AARV would be best, but if AAR is going to be retargeted, I'd say that WP:HERP would be the best shortcut.  bibliomaniac 1  5  20:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per . "and" is never really abbreviated. Neel.arunabh (talk) 22:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget. The vast mahority of those 208 references were in a series of usertalk mass messages. I don't see any evidence that a large number of people have been using this abbreviation in practice. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 22:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose I should find another hill to die on, but it certainly strikes me as disrespectful and diminishing to tell the members of AAR "Yoink. I know you've been using this for 15 years, but there's a brand new page that's a couple of weeks old, and we want it." Just seems the epitome of putting project people over content people. I seem to be in the minority, so maybe I'm wrong, maybe they don't actually use it.  If they don't care, I shouldn't care.  But if actual AAR members show up and object, I think we should defer to a content-based wikiproject over a brand new dramaboard. I'll desist from commenting here unless AAR members show up. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget specifically because I think the wikiproject has a better alternative available in WP:HERP. The term "herp" is already used in the relevant zoologic communities (citation: personal experience and Herping); cc as this addresses one of his previous concerns. If "AAR" was optimal for "Amphibians and Reptiles", I would oppose, but I don't think "AAR" is a particularly good shortcut. The noticeboard certainly has a stronger claim syntactically, as noted above (the word "and" usually not being part of an abbreviation). I also don't see a better name for the noticeboard; I'd change my mind if there was one, I suppose. Enterprisey (talk!) 00:48, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * (I said I wouldn't reply until AAR people showed up, but this is in small font so doesn't count). What about AARV? to mirror DRV, which this board is apparently supposed to be a kindred spirit to? --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Qualified oppose I kinda agree with Floq. I've proposed usurping a redirect before, but that was to a direlict venue. This is an active WikiProject, so unless its members are okay with giving up the redirect I'm inclined to feel that usurpation is inappropriate. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm qualifiedly sympathetic to this argument. We could come up with an alternative name for the project. AAR is not an amazing acronym for "Amphibians and Reptiles", so we can be safe that the project wouldn't be at any loss, objectively speaking, as long as a reasonable, at least not worse, alternative is found. So... WP:WPAAR (reuse from a project's talk page; essentially unused), WP:AMR (reuse from failed proposal), WP:AMREP (name of company), WP:AMREPT (not bad)? Any resonance? — Alalch Emis (talk) 16:26, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I was gonna go with WP:WPAR but it looks like that's already in use for Wiki Project Animal Rights. I'm not a member of this WikiProject but "WP:WPAAR" and "WP:AMREPT" seem alright. Naleksuh (talk) 16:49, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Aervanath (talk) 15:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - let's not reduce the effectiveness of a Wikiproject that actually produces content by changing their well-established redirect to point at another noticeboard about internal administration. The noticeboard is brand new and I wish it all the best, but it can settle in people's consciousness under any acronym we choose. As examples, ANI, ACN, DRV aren't particularly intuitive but we all know what they mean. And with due regard for "otherstuffexists," the prime real estate of WP:AR is to a content-oriented Wikiproject while the arbitration request page works fine at WP:A/R. -- Euryalus (talk) 01:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget. AAR doesn't invoke "Amphibians and Reptiles" intuitively and could be put to better use. I see that WP:AMPH is red. JBchrch   talk  14:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. We should always be extremely cautious about retargetting shortcut redirects as old uses, linked and unlinked, will be broken and there is the potential for new uses to continue to go to the old place causing confusions. "Amphibians and Reptiles" is an equally plausible use of "AAR" as "Admin Action Review", so by virtue of getting there a long time beforehand and still actively using it the Wikiproject has the rights to continue using it. Other potential shortcuts exist for the new board, which is still finding its feet and not really even properly active yet. Thryduulf (talk) 16:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget A pirate sound is clearly the best indicator for the administrative review area. <b style="text-shadow:black 0.05em 0.05em 0em;color:LightCoral">HighInBC</b> Need help? Just ask. 10:11, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, as if we do this, we will need a redirect hatnote at XRV to AAR. BilledMammal (talk) 04:14, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No we wouldn't. Naleksuh (talk) 04:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If this is retargetted then yes we would have a hatnote at the new target saying something like "WP:AAR redirects here, for the WikiProject see WikiProject Amphibians and reptiles", just as if it isn't retargetted the WikiProject should gain a hatnote to XRV. This is not a reason to support or oppose retargetting though. Thryduulf (talk) 04:28, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I see it as something to be avoided if possible, but I also oppose per Euryalus. BilledMammal (talk) 04:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget a hatnote can be used to address any confusion as is done with other changed redirect targets. Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">Jazz</i> talk to me &#124; my contributions 10:22, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Retarget with hatnote, to avoid confusion. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  18:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Still no agreement on whether this should be retargeted or kept… Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, mostly because I don't like it but also because I use the acronym to easily navigate to the project. Get your own sandwich! (and leave the acronym in place for the existing AAR project). Loopy30 (talk) 03:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * I would defer to the wishes of the editors involved in the Amphibians and Reptiles WikiProject. If they agree with retargeting the redirect, great; otherwise, leave it with its current target. In that case, if the administrative action review process is unpaused, then I suggest adding a disambiguation note in a prominent location on the WikiProject page. isaacl (talk) 23:57, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Ambiguous, and therefore a poor shortcut for any purpose. Use of ambiguous shortcuts makes things much worse.  Best to delete and prevent ongoing confusion.  SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If not deleted, it should certainly point to the WikiProject as it did for so long. The new idea for the target has clearly locked to to a preference for WP:XRV. SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not really all that clear. For one, pages do not have preferences, people do. Second, a lot of people have voiced their confusion on it and many people also use AARV. And part of that is why this TFD exists in the first place. Naleksuh (talk) 07:48, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It is clear. You are displaying confusion. Preference data is seen in pageviews. Very few are using AARV, many are using XRV. This is not TFD. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:25, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I thought it was TFD. It's not like T and R are right next to each other on the keyboard or anything. Naleksuh (talk) 23:33, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Create a disambiguation page per all the mixed votes above. Also, deletion doesn't help anyone or the incoming links to the title, so I oppose that. Steel1943  (talk) 04:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Making it a red link is the surest way to discourage its use, and clicking on the red link will bring up the deletion log pointing to this discussion, which is sufficient disambiguation. Deletion will help. Creating a shadow space of bad shortcuts and shortcut DABs is unproductive, making more work than help. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Neither deletion nor disambiguation help readers wanting to use the longstanding redirect (who will be disadvantaged for no good reason by any outcome other than keep) nor does it help those wanting the new project who will have to use a different shortcut in both those scenarios so it is literally the worst of all worlds. Thryduulf (talk) 12:23, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * See https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-90&pages=Wikipedia:AAR. No one uses this shortcut. No one wants to use this shortcut. No one needs to use any shortcut, the page title is perfectly fine.  Shortcuts that no one uses, that go to obscure things, serve no good purpose and this is best deleted. This is not a worldly weighted matter, this is a poor shortcut that in the real world would have grown over very quickly. SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:05, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 150-300 hits a year, which the redirect has received for several years, is extremely far away from "nobody uses this" and the target is not obscure. If we took "nobody needs to use any shortcut" seriously then we would delete every single one of them. Thryduulf (talk) 13:36, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The vast majority of hits are post Dec 2021. You can move the pageviews dates back to 2015.  Pre Dec 2021 it was just noise.
 * Shortcuts are for convenience, not need. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. My disambiguation vote is primarily an assessment to find a middle ground between all these votes; but of course, that's for the discussion closer to decide. I'd also agree on "weak keep" per the redirect targeting what it has targeted for over a decade, so thus retargeting it would break incoming links, as well as links in edit summaries that cannot be changed. Steel1943  (talk) 13:08, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose retargeting as a redirect that has been used for 15 years and gets enough uses per year to be considered used. AARV/XRV work fine for the new board. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)
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Gordon Teoh
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was reverse  redirect to restore the status quo ante bellum. Further discussion regarding the name of the article can be conducted by filing an RM. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:29, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Gordon Teoh → Zhang Jue Long (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 21:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 03:07, 13 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.4em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:57, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment This is a . The article was at this title from 2016 to December 2021. The reason Underbar dk gave for the move to this title was "his English name". Theeditors2019 did not give a reason for moving it back, nor did they give a reason for removing the English name in this 2019 edit. Thryduulf (talk) 23:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Restore name and revert move English-language Internet coverage of this individual is minimal (since his career seems to have peaked before most Malaysian newspapers were online), but this was verifiably the English name he was using back when he was on the judges' panel for the 2013 AIM Chinese Music Awards (article from Cari Internet, a Malaysian web portal), whereas I cannot find any WP:RS verification that he uses the name Zhang Jue Long in English. FWIW he is listed as Gordon Teoh on Spotify  and Shazam (application) . 61.239.39.90 (talk) 01:18, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Refer to RM. The applicability of WP:COMMONNAME to BLPs is complicated. (We're probably overdue for another RM for Cat Stevens / Yusuf Islam, the canonical example of an article intentionally kept at an old name.) This is the kind of determination better made at RM than at RfD. What matters for RfD's purposes is whether it's a valid alias for the subject, which it appears to be. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 01:32, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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 * Restore the usage of this term in the article, which was deleted for no apparent reason. Then revert the undiscussed move, and send it to RM, since the deletion of the occurrences of this name in the article seems to be biased (perhaps recentism?). User 61.x seems to have found sources for the name, which can be added to the article -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
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