Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 23

July 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 23, 2022.

USS Sumner (AG-2)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination. USS Bushnell (AG-2) was already nominated separately by the nom.  Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 07:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * USS Sumner (AG-2) → USS Sumner (AGS-5) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Deletion of redirect recommended. The USS Bushnell/Sumner never was assigned hull symbol AG-2, that was assigned to the USS Lebanon. This redirect is not much different than a redirect for 'RMS Titanic (PT-109)'. It conflates two vessels that should not be conflated. Cheers! Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment there also exists the redirect to the same target -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 12:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment As per my list below on the history of this ship, the USS Bushnell (AG-2) never existed. Looks like that redirect should also be nominated for deletion. Thanks! Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 16:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment USS Sumner (AS-2) appears to be missing from the complement of redirects to the target -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 12:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment :There was never a USS Sumner (AS-2). Here is the history for this ship:
 * 24 November 1915 - USS Bushnell
 * 17 July 1920 -
 * 25 July 1940 -
 * 23 August 1940 -
 * 1 December 1943 - USS Sumner (AGS-5)
 * The first line requires a DAB page. The second, third, and fourth lines require redirects to the fifth. Creation of a USS Sumner (AS-2) redirect should not be done. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 15:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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Sterling airlines goes bankrupt
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  11:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Sterling airlines goes bankrupt → Sterling Airlines (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely redirect, delete. Jonteemil (talk) 19:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. This was created as an article in 2008, but redirected the same day. The article was written like a news article, and feels like a copyright violation, but if it is I've not been able to find the source. Thryduulf (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as a copyright violation. Copied from https://www.thelocal.se/20081029/15278/ I could have tagged this as a CSD, but it's time for this RfD to be closed anyway. Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 07:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
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Marathon RED
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Wikipedia:PH
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 02:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)


 * PH → Wikipedia:WikiProject Photography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Proposing to retarget this redirect from WikiProject Photography to WikiProject Tambayan Philippines, consistent with existing redirects of WP:CA for WikiProject Canada, WP:JP for WikiProject Japan, and WP:ID for WikiProject Indonesia. Sanglahi86 (talk) 00:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: For an opinion on a suggested target to Page history. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay   18:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. We should always be very cautious when changing shortcut redirects as there is a very high chance of causing confusion (or worse) through changing the apparent meaning in old links, discussions (including unlinked uses) and edit summaries. Looking at the links, there aren't that many, but around two thirds of them are intended to mean Page history (almost all of them though are years old) and all but one of the rest clearly mean the current target (the context of the sole exception means I don't know what was intended). Page view stats show it's used a bit, but those page views don't correlate with views of the photography project or the Philippines project, so with no evidence that anybody is using this expecting to find the Philippines changing it to that is a bad idea. I'm open to retargetting to Page history if anyone thinks that would be a benefit. Thryduulf (talk) 09:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep there's a hatnote pointing to the Tambayan page in the current target so I don't mind. Also I think there's no rule about these redirects that states that they must point to a country or state's Wikiproject. For example, WP:PA points to No personal attacks rather than WikiProject Pennsylvania or the currently inactive WP:PANAMA. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You've just reminded me of a similar discussion - Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 19 where I wrote: Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Xiguit District
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Nominator seems to have retracted their rationales as mistaken, and nobody else supported deletion. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:04, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Xiguit District → Shiguai District (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Another completely made up Mongolian name, this time for Shiguai District (see below). The actual transliteration of the Mongolian name is Siɣuyitu. Theknightwho (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay   17:54, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait to see if pageviews drop off, per my !vote re Ud District. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 22:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Again, I was wrong. The Mongolian ᠰᠢᠭᠤᠶᠢᠲᠤ is given the Cyrillic form Шугуйт ("thicket") in the Mongol Toli (National Mongolian Dictionary). Ш (Mongolian Cyrillic) and X (Chinese Mongolian Roman) always represent the Mongolian s, but the Chinese Romanisation system is slightly more faithful to the Mongolian script Siɣuyitu, and resolves to Xiguit, whereas the Mongolian Шугуйт is closer to the actual pronunciation. Theknightwho (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep based on the above comment. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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Ud District
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn.  Closure requested   P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;,  ed.  put'r there 02:25, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Ud District → Wuda District (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Wuda District (in Inner Mongolia, China) was moved to Ud District back in 2018 by User:ASDFGH, but that name seems to have been completely made up, and I can't find any uses of it in any source (other than Google Maps, who I'm pretty certain got it from WP). I'm pretty sure it comes from the faulty transliteration of the Mongolian Uda which the same user added to List of administrative divisions of Inner Mongolia until I just corrected it.. The Mongolian ᠤᠳᠠ clearly contains the letter ᠠ ("a"), so this isn't a case of different romanisation systems - it's just that user's mistake, which we shouldn't be perpetuating. Theknightwho (talk) 21:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay   17:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as implausible misnomer. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Striked after correction by nom. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:23, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait a month or two to see if pageviews drop off. With 2,000 views in the years that it was at this title, there may be reliance by off-site backlinks. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 21:49, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, can I withdraw this? Having looked into Mongolian in a lot more detail since I listed this, it seems that Ud is an accurate Romanisation. The leading Mongolian dictionary lists ᠤᠳᠠ ("willow", which is what the district was named for) with the Cyrillic form Уд, because Mongolian usually drops the final "a", even though it's retained in the traditional Mongolian script.In other words, I was wrong! If you need confirmation, just listen to the recording of a native speaker in the Mongolian dictionary linked. Theknightwho (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep per the nominator's comment from yesterday. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:26, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Db-t3/date
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 06:54, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Template:Db-t3/date">Template:Db-t3/date → Template:Age switch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While this redirect technically meets the WP:G8 criteria (as it is a subpage of a deleted template), I prefer to see it being discussed at RfD. The target template has nothing to do with Template:Db-t3, which was deleted at the end of 2020 as CSD T3 has been repealed. So, the redirect should be deleted. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 17:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Bots/Requests for approval/ClueBot V (from 2008) suggests that the code may be useful in other circumstances, but even if no other templates currently use that code (a) I don't know whether that will still be true all these years later, and (b) undeletion for the purposes of reviewing the code is something most admins will be happy to do. Thryduulf (talk) 21:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:THEDAYWIKIPEDIATURNSINTO4CHAN
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 06:52, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * THEDAYWIKIPEDIATURNSINTO4CHAN → Wikipedia:April Fools (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Notwithstanding my April Fools' participation and my general support for the Day, this low-traffic joke redirect dating from April Fools' 2011 should be deleted for its excessive length. Deletion would not break any pages - even the 2011 April Fools' page - as it is unlinked to. Thanks. NotReallyMoniak (talk) 17:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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2022 European heat wave (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD  . Thryduulf (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="2022 European heat wave (disambiguation)">2022 European heat wave (disambiguation) → 2022 European heat waves (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is no longer a disambiguation page. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:28, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G14. The target is no longer a disambiguation page because June 2022 European heat wave and July 2022 European heat wave were merged there. - Eureka Lott 15:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, didn't know about this criterion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:27, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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Well-poised
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Wikipedia:NAMECHANGE
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Article titles. N.b. the target already disambiguated towards the other usage with a hatnote. signed,Rosguill talk 01:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)


 * NAMECHANGE → Wikipedia:Changing username (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think this should be retargeted to Article titles, as with WP:NAMECHANGES. I briefly looked at a lot of the incoming links, and most of them seemed to be typos for the NAMECHANGES redirect. No clear reason why one would be the primary topic or intended retargeting for "name change", and another for "name changes". QueenofBithynia (talk) 10:27, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: A breakup of incoming links per namespace/area is as follows: Talk:24, Talk archives:6, User talk:16, User talk archives:7, WP archives:7, WP talk:1, WP talk archives:2 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 14:24, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom, looks like a more suitable target. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:55, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 18:07, 14 July 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 11:13, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate Seems that there's an even split, with the user talk links referring to username changes while talk links are about article name changes. There is no primary topic. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've drafted a dab. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * Disambiguate. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 01:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom to match WP:NAMECHANGES. Shortcuts should never be disambiguated, they exist solely for the convenience of editors. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
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District of Colombia
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . The general feeling seems to be that "district of Colombia", in the context of the current target, is grammatically correct, and that as a correct sense it should trump the misspelled sense in which the term could be used to refer to D.C. Per Jay, I will also retarget  as a matter of common sense.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 01:42, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * District of Colombia → Districts of Colombia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Perhaps retarget to Washington, D.C. (maybe with a hatnote) as R from misspelling? The current target is technically more "correct", but it's very obscure and most people who type this in would presumably be looking for Washington DC. Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 22:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Keep with a hatnote or retarget to District of Columbia (disambiguation)? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to District of Columbia (disambiguation). BD2412  T 22:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Legitimate uses should trump misspelling. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to District of Columbia (disambiguation). Arguably both targets are misspellings: 'Districts of Colombia' and 'District of Columbia'. The singular 'District' is an unlikely search term for the Colombian article – we have redirects for Districts of London but not for District of London, and for Countries of Europe but not Country of Europe. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:37, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, reasonable redirect from singular, hatnote at target helps misspellers. —Kusma (talk) 17:57, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: It already has a hatnote, real spellings should trump misspellings. Happy Editing-- IAm  Chaos  22:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to disambiguation. Common misspelling is far more likely than the unnatural grammatical error the current redirect assumes. VanIsaac, MPLLcont<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> WpWS 22:38, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to disambiguation. A typo is probably more probable than a singular of a plural. CLYDE  FRANKLIN  22:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Shhnotsoloud. Nothing ungrammatical about the singular: "Riohacha is the northernmost district of Colombia". Redirects aid Wikilinks, not just searchers. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 01:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just because the article title is plural per WP:PLURAL does not mean the singular is an invalid redirect; proper use has priority over a misspelling per the above, and a hatnote exists for those seeking the city. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - If kept, I think District of Columbia (disambiguation) should be added to the hatnote on Districts of Colombia. A7V2 (talk) 02:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Move dab page currently at District of Columbia (disambiguation) to title, avoiding both Americentrism and malplacing the dab. NotReallyMoniak (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No. Note the different spelling Colombia/Columbia. And Washington, D.C. is the clear primary topic for District of Columbia. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:39, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep with a hatnote for District of Columbia (disambiguation), as per . XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 17:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The bar for assuming a search term is an error should be very high IMO, though the existing hatnote is appropriate. --BDD (talk) 18:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is also the lowercased District of colombia from 2008, which has always been redirected to Washington, D.C.. I'm not bundling it here, in case this forces a relist of this discussion. The outcome of the redirect under discussion can be boldly applied to this. But in case there is a relist, it may be bundled, as the arguments will be the same despite the difference in case. Jay  Diversity icon green.svg 12:55, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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Joseph-Joseph Lagrange
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  04:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Joseph-Joseph Lagrange → Marie-Joseph Lagrange (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

After conferring with the creator of the redirect and the writer of the article on Marie-Joseph Lagrange, I have come to the conclusion that the redirect was created as a result of a typographical error on the said article and that the name in the redirect does not, in fact, refer to Fr. Lagrange; therefore, the redirect can safely be deleted. Twozenhauer (talk) 02:31, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:54, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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