Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 16

June 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 16, 2022.

Family buisiness
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 24%23Family buisiness

Holy Catholic Apostolic Church
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:07, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Holy Catholic Apostolic Church → Catholic Apostolic Church (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention anywhere that this expression is used to refer to this group or movement. Therefore, I think this redirect should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 19:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. See for historical usage. Charles Matthews (talk) 04:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * :The historical usage given in your source is '(Holy) Catholic Apostolic Church', not 'Holy Catholic Apostolic Church'. It appears there are two instances where the expression 'Holy Catholic Apostolic Church' is used in the book to refer to the denomination (I cannot access those parts of the preview directly). Veverve (talk) 06:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Charles. The term in fact exists. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:24, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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Holy Catholic Church of Japan
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:07, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Holy Catholic Church of Japan → Anglican Church in Japan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention anywhere that this name is used to designate this organisation. Therefore, this redirect should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 19:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - This specific labeling is used by some religious communities, it seems, with examples including in this online article. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Query - I'm not sure I follow. As evidenced by the very first words of the article, that's literally what they call themselves. Of course in Japan they speak Japanese, and one sees it translated variously as Holy Catholic Church of Japan, Japanese Holy Catholic Church, or Japan Holy Catholic Church. None of these translations is official AFAIK and we can certainly create redirects for the others if they don't exist yet, but I'm not clear on what grounds deletion is being proposed. If it's simply that the body of the article fails to mention them that's easily rectified. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 17:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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Thriller (Michael Jackson album
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay (talk) 18:31, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thriller (Michael Jackson album → Thriller (album) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete; no need for redirects for titles where someone forgot a single character. Would have R3'd but for some reason that's only for recently created redirects. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:00, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The recently created clause is a good one. Anyway Delete Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  02:12, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - This appears to be useless. I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  12:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I think Discord and some other clients have trouble telling when a right parenthesis should be part of the URL or not, so the parenthesis is dropped from the link. Even though the article now uses less disambiguation, there is a clear use IMO. -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 22:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Well in that case in my opinion it's the fault of those platforms. Closing brackets are perfectly fine characters in URLs. I don't think we have to create many, many thousands of redirects to solve those clients's problem. Also, even if that is a good idea, it doesn't apply here, because the article is at Thriller_(album), not at Thriller_(Michael_Jackson_album). &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. 162 etc. (talk) 12:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete as a misbracketed disambiguation. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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List of law books
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Bibliography of law. signed,Rosguill talk 21:07, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * List of law books → Legal bibliography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of books about law → Legal bibliography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This doesn't seem to be a good search term for Legal bibliography. I was expecting a list of articles on books about law when I searched for the term. SL93 (talk) 11:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Bibliography of law, which should better meet expectations. - Eureka Lott 13:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. I went ahead and bundled these discussions. They weren't quite identical, but I can't imagine them having different results. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Eureka. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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El Fantasma (wrestler)
  Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 23%23El Fantasma (wrestler)

Astronomical event
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 23%23Astronomical event

TEN10
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . No objections to disambiguating. Will boldly do it myself. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


 * TEN10 → TEN (TV station) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ten10 → T10 cricket (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

T10 cricket is also known as Ten10; this would appear to be the more likely target. 162 etc. (talk) 00:09, 9 June 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: For further consideration of the recently bundled redirect. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate, there is also Ten10 (album). (Ten10 currently redirects to T10 cricket). —Kusma (talk) 09:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate to the 3 topics shown above -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 14:15, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Bundled Ten10 into the discussion. Jay (talk) 05:11, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment Might as well include TEN-10 too. 162 etc. (talk) 13:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Dismabiguate Per 162 etc. and IP. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Testcases
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . I still don't fully agree with this change, but I think the nomination itself was a knee-jerk reaction to having my watchlist blown up this morning by the mass-editing. Will self-revert and restore the non-redirect version; I do not see this as a preclusion to a formal TFD nomination. Primefac (talk) 07:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Template:Testcases → Template:Testcases notice (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This template redirect was recently orphaned and converted to some sort of link template. I disagree with this semi-hijacking, but it did get me thinking that maybe the redirect is not pointing at the best place; after all, there is also testcase (singular) which gives individual test cases on a /testcase subpage, though I will state that my weak preference is either to keep the redirect as-is, if only to avoid three templates that are barely different from each other, or delete it outright. Primefac (talk) 05:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC) updated 07:09, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * My intention in converting the redirect to an actual template was two-fold, Primefac: 1. Offering editors a template for the /testcases subpage akin to (and in harmony with) the sandbox one; and 2. Complying with WP:TG—Template function should be clear from the template name—so that it is clear in the wikicode that what it's being called is a notice. Which are the three templates that are barely different from each other?<ul><li>testcase, as you said, gives individual test cases on a /testcases subpage;</li><li>testcases notice gives the boilerplate notice atop /testcases subpages; and</li><li>testcases would, as a template, not a redirect, link to the /testcases subpage, in the same fashion that sandbox does.</li></ul>Why do you say I orphaned the redirect? As you correctly pointed out linking to, I made sure , orphaned, linking to testcases instead of testcases notice (when that's what was intended).<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>I also note that template:testcases was previously deleted (and emerged from the ashes as a redirect). <span id="Guarapiranga:1655361534830:WikipediaFTTCLNRedirects_for_discussion/Log/2022_June_16" class="FTTCmt">— Guarapiranga ☎ 06:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The names are barely different (natural disambiguation is problematic when you're dealing with templates). You asked about orphans, and then described exactly the process used to create one - you removed all of the existing transclusions of the template. Also, saying "a template was mistakenly created and then G7'd" isn't exactly a rock-solid argument for, well, anything. Primefac (talk) 07:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
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Jewish community
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Jews. There was no support for the nomination, nor for the current target.  Jay (talk) 07:18, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Jewish community → Judaism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Is Jewish diaspora a better target? -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 05:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Neither is ideal, but of the two, Judaism is likely better. I believe "Jewish community" generally refers to the community of Jews in a specific place/time/context; Jewish diaspora has a specific and distinct meaning. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 05:11, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Jews per RC below – more connected to the concept of Jewish community than Judaism or Jewish Diaspora. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 16:46, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Jews, I think this is the most suitable target as "Jewish community" applies to it accurately. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 05:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: I don't think there is an article on wikipedia that accurately encapsulates the concept "Jewish community". Jewish diaspora I would argue is not appropriate as it excludes Jews not in the diaspora. I also don't think that the articles Jews or Judaism are the same topic. Delete per WP:REDYES and lack of appropriate target. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:21, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. We have articles on Shtetl and Kibbutz and other types of Jewish communities, but nothing that even attempts to provide an overview of Jewish neighbourhoods, Jewish towns, etc. in general.  49.198.51.54 (talk) 21:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Jews – that is our article about the topic people mean when they say "the Jewish community". Compare Black community (redirects to Black people) and LGBT people (redirects to LGBT community). —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Muslim community and Islamic community both redirect to Ummah. Christian_Community (note capitalisation) is about a specific group. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment As far as I know, I do not believe that Judaism has a direct counterpart to the idea of Ummah, correct me if I'm wrong. (JayPlaysStuff &#124; talk to me &#124; What I've been up to) 01:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Jews: it is what commonly designates the expression "Jewish community". Otherwise, delete. Veverve (talk) 06:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:CONTEST
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 23%23Wikipedia:CONTEST

Advancer
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  .  Jay (talk) 18:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Advancer → Antler (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Given the numerous senses of Advance on that disambiguation page, I doubt that "Antler" is the primary meaning of the word "Advancer". BD2412 T 22:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:24, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, otherwise delete. I was about to close this as an unopposed retargeting nomination, but I've noticed that there's nothing on that DAB page that this redirect could directly refer to. It's ambiguous and unhelpful in my opinion, and it would be best to let search results handle this one. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I would say that the first three results on the disambiguation page are directly relevant. One who makes an advance in sports, or in a payment, or of a royalty, is an advancer. I think that any of these are more relevant than the rather obscure use of the term to refer to a part of an antler. BD2412  T 00:26, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
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 * Support the retarget to Advance, ortherwise delete. Per nom. and CycloneYoris. Veverve (talk) 02:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Advance because "advancer" -> "advance" is more intuitive. A note can be added at the dab page for antler. NotReallySoroka (talk) 05:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete altogether. No notable subject to truly redirect to.  Hansen Sebastian Talk 08:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Dabify (draft available below the redirect). This can be a technical term in both contact bridge and in deer-hunting. Don't delete because we do have relevant content onwiki, and don't retarget to the other dab because that can't have anything specific enough. – Uanfala (talk) 21:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I would support the proposed disambiguation page at this title, now that three senses with relevant links have been provided. BD2412  T 21:24, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added some more senses of the word. I think this can be closed now. BD2412  T 19:51, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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