Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 5

March 5
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 5, 2022.

Ćajtanja
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz Read! Talk! 21:53, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Ćajtanja → Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Cajtanja → Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:RLOTE apparently from Polish, which has no connection to the target. ev iolite  (talk)  23:41, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Croatian for tea party? No connection to the target. Paleorthid (talk) 00:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 14:14, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, Paleorthid, CX Zoom, and WP:RFOREIGN-there's no affinity between this man and Polish. I'm also adding Cajtanja for the same reason. Regards, SONIC   678   15:57, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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Decke
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Michelle Davis (blogger)
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . The original rationale was resolved by Valereee. There has been some concern about whether the addition has staying power, but should it not stick it can be renominated (probably along with Matt Holloway (blogger)). Regarding the WP:MOVEREDIRECT issue, I'll take Jay's suggestion to turn Michelle Davis into a disambiguation page. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 18:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Michelle Davis (blogger) → Black veganism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. Was formerly at Michelle Davis, but moved for search engine reasons. Jalen Folf  (talk)  04:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment The paragraph at the target article is about her and her partner. I wondered about inserting their names there, but it seemed unkind. People who are searching for her will be getting to the story and links they're looking for. We could add the name of the blog into both the redirect and the article, maybe? valereee (talk) 10:25, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable and no suitable target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:12, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 23:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I've clarified the target. valereee (talk) 20:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Valereee's latest edits at the target. Jay (talk) 18:58, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If kept, this will need to be moved back to its original location, as there is no other subject on Wikipedia using this name. Jalen Folf   (talk)  19:31, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you point me to where the guideline says that? But if that's the case, Michelle Davis can be made a disambig page. Jay (talk) 05:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * per WP:MOVEREDIRECT the page should not be moved, but a companion redirect created at the base name if this is kept. As there are no other people by this name with an article, and no obvious WP:DABMENTIONs a disambiguation page seems unlikely to be viable at the present time. Thryduulf (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete: at several removes from the topic of the target. My reading of the article section is that there's nothing particularly noteworthy about the particular so-and-so's who created the blog whose example is being used as an opportunity to discuss that particular kind of cultural appropriation. The discussion has long-term significance, but the particular example doesn't, so I don't think the mentions of the two creators of this blog are likely to remain long-term in the article. For the same reason, I believe Matt Holloway (blogger) should be deleted as well. – Uanfala (talk) 00:28, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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Greek Orthodox Ochrid Archbishopric with the Pechka Patriarchy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz Read! Talk! 21:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Greek Orthodox Ochrid Archbishopric with the Pechka Patriarchy → Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

See Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 6 AKK  700  23:09, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per ... apparently me as the nominator of the referenced discussion. Steel1943  (talk) 01:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
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West Korea
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * West Korea → Yanbian Korean Autonomous Prefecture (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Western Korea → Regions of Korea (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article; no indication that this term is in use. feminist (talk) 16:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 23:01, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a joke. Delete unless evidence can be found that the term is in use. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 18:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete points to Regions of Korea, but that page only mentions "west" once, and given that we deleted  → Korea eight years ago, I don't think that retargeting to regions of Korea is a great idea. The term "West Korea" is used occasionally as a joke or misunderstanding (e.g. this incident involving Gary Johnson). The only WP:RS I can find using it to refer to Yanbian is this in a Vice Magazine article. Per WP:PROPORTION I do not think this is worth adding a mention at the target. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 00:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Western Korea too, for the reasons I stated to Tamzin in my reply just as they were adding it to this nomination. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 07:23, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Regions of Korea. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 22:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * do you want to add a reasoning? Jay (talk) 18:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, western Korea naturally is going to be a region of Korea. I suppose this would be the most legitimate place to send this. I don't really care that much though. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 23:01, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * and, did you go through Regions of Korea? What does that page have to say about west or western, and how is it going to help the reader? Jay (talk) 05:18, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. Geography of Korea would be a much better fit, as it discusses the western parts of the peninsula in its lede. This would mean also retargeting '. I've bundled''' it. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 05:31, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Regions of Korea has no mention of anything resembling "West Korea", and this redirect is a likely joke. Yanbian is not even west of Korea. ev iolite   (talk)  00:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget both  to Regions of Korea Geography of Korea, which discusses western Korea much more directly than Regions of Korea does—the former as an avoided double redirect / r from incorrect name of the latter . Whether or not anyone actually calls Western Korea "West Korea", it's reasonable for a reader to think they might. The distinction between "west"/"western" etc. is inconsistent—I've lived on the North Shore in Eastern Massachusetts, Northern California, and South Jersey—and there's no reason to expect a reader to know which is used here, if they just have a general sense of "that part of Korea that's on the western side".  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 04:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC) ed. per above 05:31, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not just an issue of "west' vs. "western"; isn't a real thing either. Korea simply has no geographic or cultural features to divide it into distinct "east" and "west". There is a "southwest Korea" distinguishable from the southeast in history (Baekje vs. Silla), modern administrative divisions (Jeolla vs. Gyeongsang), water (the Seomjin River), and politics (commons:Category:Election maps of South Korea) but it also has nothing in common with the northwest; grouping them as "west Korea" is meaningless. I don't know if there's an article that covers all of this: geography of Korea only gets at part of it. Similarly we don't have west or western Afghanistan, west or western Brazil, nor west or western South Africa (nor of course west or western Chile or west or western Vietnam). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 07:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I would say it's reasonable to have such redirects for any country (or in this case pair of countries) where someone might look at them on a map and think "what's the western part called?", provided that the target article does discuss westernness to some degree (as Geography of Korea does). "Nothing in particular" is a valid answer to that question. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 19:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete West Korea per the previous RfD and the arguments here as a hoax/joke, and as no such specific place exists. We already have Western Korea, which can be retargetted to Geography of Korea per Tamzin. Jay (talk) 06:32, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete both per 61.239.39.90, this is not a well-defined term. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:41, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete per discussion above Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  04:50, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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Top radio
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Religions in Giurtelecu Şimleului
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:51, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Religions in Giurtelecu Şimleului">Religions in Giurtelecu Şimleului → Măeriște (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Jews in Romania Giurtelecu Șimleului">Jews in Romania Giurtelecu Șimleului → Măeriște (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Here are a couple redirects that I should have bundled with Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 13, but they were missed. The same rationale applies. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:53, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom & RfD Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  04:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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Giurtelecu Şimleului Synagogue
<span id="Giurtelecu Şimleului Synagogue"> <span id="Giurtelecu Șimleului Synagogue">  <span id="Synagogue of Giurtelecu Şimleului"> <span id="Synagogue of Giurtelecu Șimleului"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 12%23Giurtelecu Şimleului Synagogue

Devastated the island of Puerto Rico
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Devastated the island of Puerto Rico → Effects of Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a valid redirect, this fragmentary phrase. I encourage regular contributors on this board to look at the user's other redirects--you all have more experience than me. Drmies (talk) 18:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, too vague. Veverve (talk) 19:02, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: not a phrase anyone will search for Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 19:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree that it's too vague, the first thing that came to my mind is the Puerto Rican government-debt crisis... It looks like it was created during an expansion of the Orlando Bravo article. I have replaced the direct link there with a piped link. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 14:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. No incoming links. AKK  700  16:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
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Meanings of asteroid names (9001-1000)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Meanings of asteroid names (9001-1000)">Meanings of asteroid names (9001-1000) → Meanings of minor planet names: 9001–10000 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure if this redirect is a plausible typo (with 1000 in place of 10000); it gets very few pageviews and is several modifications away from the canonical article title ("asteroid" vs "minor planet", parentheses vs colon, hyphen vs dash). ev iolite  (talk)  16:54, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not really useful. Urhixidur (talk) 03:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete misleading. Asteroids & minor planets are both distinct classes of celestial bodies. ---CX Zoom(he/him) (let's talk&#124;contribs) 14:22, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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Gabriel Vargas (footballer)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Gabriel Vargas (disambiguation) per WP:JUSTDOIT and since deletion isn't really an option since the disambiguator in the redirect has been shown to be ambiguous. (I created Gabriel Vargas (disambiguation) after the nomination of this redirect was made; thus, I'm closing this discussion early since the solution seems clear.) (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 14:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Gabriel Vargas (footballer)">Gabriel Vargas (footballer) → Gabriel Vargas (footballer, born 1983) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is another foorballer with the same name, a director, and also a cartoonist. I think it should either be deleted or disambiguated. Quick Quokka [⁠talk • contribs] 14:19, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
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Warp Zone (Wii)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Warp Zone (Wii)">Warp Zone (Wii) → Wii Menu (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the article so has no references. Eurohunter (talk) 12:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete because no relation to target or redirect to Warp (video games) maybe? Quick Quokka  [ talk] 16:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 14:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 21:12, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * According to this it appears to have been a small secret associated with the UK version of the Wii Virtual Console https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2007/02/welcome_to_the_warp_zone. I haven’t seen much else regarding this so it appears to have never been more than a small message in one relatively small region so I’m doubt it’s worth mentioning. I am also against retargeting to Warp (video games) since I doubt someone typing this would be looking up warps in general.--65.93.195.118 (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  04:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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Callao Roads
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:08, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Callao Roads → Callao (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

If this is supposed to be about roads in Callao, then it is incorrectly capitalised, and ambiguous. I suggest we delete: it is rarely used. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:35, 26 February 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 13:44, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment This is evidently referring to Callao as a port (it is Peru's largest port), with "Roads" another term for roadstead, akin to something like Hampton Roads. There is one incoming link that uses it in this context. However, there is no mention at target, and quick searching hasn't turned up much evidence that this term has historically been used for Callao. Keep if a sourced mention can be added to target, otherwise it may be best to delete and update the incoming link. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:54, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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Drawsko (jezioro)
<span id="Drawsko (jezioro)"> <span id="Gwiazda (jezioro)"> <span id="Dąbrowa Wielka (jezioro)"> <span id="Świdwie (jezioro)"> <span id="Wigry (jezioro)"> <span id="Hańcza (jezioro)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 12%23Drawsko (jezioro)

Doublé
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Dongbien
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:06, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Dongbien → South China Sea (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This title seems highly implausible as a search term. From doing some research it seems that it can only come from a corruption of the Vietnamese name, Biển Đông (lit. "Sea" and "East"), that has switched the words, removed the space between them, and removed all of the diacritics. In addition, according to Wiktionary, "Biển" should always be capitalized anyway. Unsurprisingly, Google results are completely unrelated. ev iolite  (talk)  04:25, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, only gets about 10 pageviews a year Thefficacy (talk) 07:58, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
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Computerwoche (0170-5121)
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Altgrad
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Brageirac (vila)
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Bogengrad
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`Id kull-il-Qiddisin
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:40, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="`Id kull-il-Qiddisin">`Id kull-il-Qiddisin → All Saints (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems to be a transliteration of a direct translation of "All Saints' Day" from Arabic or some other Semitic language (WP:RLOTE). Online searches show no use of this transliteration online anywhere except from websites deriving data from WP. ev iolite  (talk)  03:45, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * delete per nom Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  04:56, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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