Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 20

May 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 20, 2022.

Pilot (The Gifted)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 28%23Pilot (The Gifted)

Musical Genres/Hip
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 28%23Musical Genres/Hip

Jhon Philip Saklil
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 21:30, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Jhon Philip Saklil → John Philip Saklil (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

implausible typo MB 17:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, The Indonesian medias, sometimes, still wrote this bishop as Jhon although some wrote as John Azmi1995 (talk) 17:09, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Unsure - "Jhon Philip Saklil" seems to be used in some sources, such as this article here. What's the context? CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, from a cursory look about it seems like Jhon is an especially common typo in Indonesia. (I think that Jhon's a 'plausible' typo for any John; but moreso in this case.)  J947  † edits 21:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Amzi and CoffeeWithMarkets, there are several Google hits from what appear to be local news sources and even books using this spelling. ev iolite   (talk)  18:18, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * the name of Jhon, although typo, is still considered as the notable person in this case Azmi1995 (talk) 05:35, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Plausible typo. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 00:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
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L'Affaire Lafarge
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 28%23L'Affaire Lafarge

Dimolybdenum
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Sextuple bond. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 21:30, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Dimolybdenum → Molybdenum (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Better explained at Sextuple bond. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:28, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sextuple bond per nom. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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NHRA (disambiguation)
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was restored  DAB page (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:32, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="NHRA (disambiguation)">NHRA (disambiguation) → National Hot Rod Association (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I started converting this into a a redirect because there's no justification for its existence as a DAB (only one true target - it had one red link and another target whose initialism was NHA, with no mention of NHRA. Being distracted at the time, didn't realise that it had the disambiguation suffix before publishing it. I think it can just go. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:25, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, there are several uses of the term that I've added (or restored) to the page. older ≠ wiser 17:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Restore dab page. The dab page appears justified since it has a few entries known by NHRA, but in any case this seems a case of deletion by stealth. RfD is not the place to discuss the deletion of this dab page, that's what AfD is for. A7V2 (talk) 23:09, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Happy to close now that others have been found and the NHA one has been properly cited in the article. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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Warren Ferguson
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 27%23Warren Ferguson

MOS:IBID
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 27%23MOS:IBID

Flexor and extensor
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget.


 * Retarget Flexor to List of flexors of the human body
 * Retarget Extensor to List of extensors of the human body (non-admin closure) <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Flexor → Anatomical terminology (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Extensor → Anatomical terms of motion (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These are terms for pairs of muscles and seem to be usually discussed together so we should do the same thing regarding both. Flexor currently targets a non-existent section of an article which doesn't mention either term, although it does link to Wiktionary definitions for the related terms "flexion" and "extension" (which is what these muscles do). Anatomical terms of motion (if this article is the best target we should point to this section specifically) also does have good explanations of flexion and extension, but only mentions the words "flexor" and "extensor" in hatnotes to the list articles (see below). Anatomical terms of muscle does mention the specific terms, both in hatnotes to the lists and in prose - but that prose is a paragraph using elbow flexors and extensors as examples, the same article's Muscle naming section has the simple definitions of the words I've found but doesn't link brilliantly to more detail. Finally for what I've found with a moderately limited search, there are the list articles List of flexors of the human body and List of extensors of the human body which both start with a good (arguably the best) definition but do not link to each other, Anatomical terms of muscle or Anatomical terms of motion only to Anatomical terminology (which is now, but probably wasn't always, too high level). So I think these should be retargetted somewhere, but I don't know what the best target is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 5 May 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget Flexor to List of flexors of the human body and Extensor to List of extensors of the human body; I have just added reciprocal 'See also' links. As the two terms are not synonyms, I don't think they have to link to the same place. Alternatively retarget both to Anatomical terms of motion, where Flexion and Extension (anatomy) already lead to.
 * (In terms of history, Flexion was actually the original name of List of flexors of the human body before it was moved to the current title, and then the redirect was retargeted in a reorganisation of the anatomy articles December 2013.) Felix QW (talk) 19:17, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget both - I agree with Felix QW. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 02:55, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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Formula (mathematics and physics)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep all and retarget  Mathematical formula to Formula, where the other redirects already point to. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Formula (mathematics and physics)">Formula (mathematics and physics) → Formula (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mathematical Formulas → Formula (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mathematical formulas → Formula (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Formulas in mathematics → Formula (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Math formula → Formula (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mathematical formula → Well-formed formula (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Mathematical formula points to Well-formed formula but related redirects point to Formula: Math formula, Formulas in mathematics, Mathematical Formulas, Formula (mathematics and physics). fgnievinski (talk) 00:14, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I took the liberty of merging these four discussions. I hope that'll help here. Regards, SONIC   678   01:47, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I added Mathematical formula (already tagged for Rfd but not formally listed above) and Mathematical formulas. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget - These should all go to 'formula'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 02:53, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Formula is definitely the best target; it appears even within mathematics there are formulas outside Well-formed formula. -- Beland (talk) 03:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The relationship between the concepts of formulas and well-formed formulas must be clarified in both articles (this is not mentioned in Formula and confusingly presented in the other article). In short, a well-formula is the expression of a formula by means of a well specified syntax. In other words, Formula should be about the semantic of the concept and well-formed formula about its syntax. D.Lazard (talk) 07:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to Formula, per above. D.Lazard (talk) 07:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
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