Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 23

November 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 23, 2022.

Matacornea
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Matacornea → Streetlight effect (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect was presumably created because it was briefly the bolded term in the lead of Drunkard's search, but per the talk page, this was just vandalism, and a web search reveals no hits for "matacornea" being an alternate name for the article's subject. Opencooper (talk) 23:56, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete no reliable hits on Google pages for this term -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:43, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - No objections as creator. Tazerdadog (talk) 03:20, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
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Roadshow
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Road show. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 22:01, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Roadshow → Roadshow theatrical release (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Dubious primary redirect. Recommend retargeting to primary dabpage Road show. 162 etc. (talk) 21:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom. Too ambiguous. RoostTC (please ping me when replying) 00:19, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Road show: This was originally targeted at RoadShow, a HK company that does marketing on transportation as an R from move as the page for RoadShow was initially at Roadshow. An IP then retargeted it to the DAB Road show in 2006 after remarking that none of the incoming links refer to the HK company, which seems to be accurate. Also, I would personally argue WP:DIFFCAPS is important here. It was retargeted later in 2006 to its current target without an explanation. While there is something to be said about changing a target that's been the target for 16 years is potentially a move that could have unintended consequences, but Roadshow theatrical release is linked to at the top of Road show and it does not seem that every page which links to Roadshow intends it as Roadshow theatrical release. TartarTorte 14:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
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Timeline of the Ukrainian crisis
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  the first, keep the second.  ✗  plicit  23:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Timeline of the Ukrainian crisis → Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Crisis in Ukraine → Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, incorrect. TWar in not just a crisis. There were many crises in Ukraine. COVID for example etc. Gliwrit (talk) 21:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:43, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the first, as it is not the name of a subject anyone is likely to search for, and there is no corresponding timeline. The second is an exact synonym for Ukraine crisis and Ukrainian crisis, and should follow those (but what happened to the disambiguation page that listed a dozen Ukrainian crises from the last century?). —Michael Z. 17:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * After a brief searching I found that the disambiguation page became a redirect to the Russo-Ukrainian War as a result of this discussion. Gliwrit (talk) 19:51, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Crisis in Ukraine per outcome of Articles for deletion/Ukrainian crisis as these are very similar. A7V2 (talk) 01:19, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep the crisis in Ukraine that started in 2013 led to the Russian invasion. It is a sensible redirect.  Ukrainian crisis is currently a redirect - it was an attempt at an over-arching article on how we got from 2013 to what was then the present day. -- Toddy1 (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
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2013–15 Ukrainian crisis
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="2013–15 Ukrainian crisis">2013–15 Ukrainian crisis → Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="2013–15 Ukrainian Crisis">2013–15 Ukrainian Crisis → Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="2013–14 Ukrainian Crisis">2013–14 Ukrainian Crisis → Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 2013-14 Ukraine crisis → Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="2013–2015 Ukrainian crisis">2013–2015 Ukrainian crisis → Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 2013-2015 Ukrainian crisis → Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="2013–14 Ukraine crisis">2013–14 Ukraine crisis → Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, years are not correct. The war did not start in 2013 (it started in 2014) and did not end in 2015 (it is still ongoing). Gliwrit (talk) 21:13, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete These are very specific yet still non-specific, and could refer to several different articles. Anyone actually typing one of these in a search will find Ukraine crisis → Russo-Ukrainian War anyway. —Michael Z. 17:30, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:40, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No harm in deleting. These redirects came about as a result of page moves of an over-arching article that was meant to cover the crisis in Ukraine that started with demonstrations in Kiev in 2013.  See Ukrainian crisis: Revision history.  The edit history of Ukrainian crisis is worth preserving.  The redirects that were automatically created by the various page moves are not. -- Toddy1 (talk) 16:13, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
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Frontier Ventures
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . Legoktm (talk) 02:15, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Frontier Ventures → Venture Center (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect currently makes me go to page on Christian missionaries, but Dmitry Alimov also has company called "Frontier Ventures". This should make me go to his page instead, where it talks about the company. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Should be changed to a disambiguation page. There are several organisations called "Frontier Ventures" that have relevant Wikipedia pages.
 * There is an organisation called "Frontier Ventures" formed in 1976 (according to the website, its 40th anniversary was in 2016). According to the website: In 2015 "The U.S. Center for World Mission and the Frontier Mission Fellowship were joined together again as one entity, known today as Frontier Ventures. The Pasadena based campus became known as The Venture Center."  The Wikipedia page Venture Center is about the Pasadena based campus of Frontier Ventures.
 * Dmitry Alimov, a Russian businessman, founded a Russian investment fund that is also called "Frontier Ventures" in 2011 or 2012., Webarchive suggests that it changed its website from frontier.ru to frontier.ventures in 2017-18.  The current webpage is frontier.ventures.
 * -- Toddy1 (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate per above. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:23, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Attempted a dab draft at the redirect. Jay  💬 15:04, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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Animal skeleton
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Skeleton.  Jay  💬 14:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Animal skeleton → List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This should be retargeted to skeleton, in my opinion. Adumbrativus (talk) 12:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support retarget: While I believe the fictional undead of (A)D&D are a valid subject, I image most people will rather think of the real thing under that term. Daranios (talk) 16:06, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Skeleton. Seems like a clear WP:JUSTDOIT situation. Steel1943  (talk) 18:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * They did, and were reverted (the history of that revert is now at Animal skeleton (Dungeons & Dragons)). Retarget per above. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:23, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget: Primary topic here. Seems like it's gonna snow. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 21:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support retarget. (1) The real-life skeletons of animals are more notable than the game entities.  (2) If you search List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters there is no entry marked "animal skeleton", so the redirect is not helpful.  I was eventually able to work out that the user was meant to look at "skeleton" on the list, but it is not search-friendly. Basically, you need to know what an "animal skeleton" is in Dungeons & Dragons to be able to find the entry. -- Toddy1 (talk) 09:54, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I have tried to at least partially remedy the problem of finding the animal skeleton in the AD&D monster list by placing an anchor. Animal skeleton (Dungeons & Dragons) now directly links to the place. Does anyone know how to do this better? Daranios (talk) 11:43, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Daranios - that helps. -- Toddy1 (talk) 13:25, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom and others. It's not at all clear to me why a move was necessary, going against WP:MOVEREDIRECT, since there is no article content in the history of Animal skeleton (Dungeons & Dragons). A7V2 (talk) 01:24, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ...Yep. Steel1943  (talk) 04:24, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
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Dominant language
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 30%23Dominant language

WABC News
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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget to WABC.  JeffUK (talk) 12:59, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * WABC News → WABC-TV (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Potentially ambiguous; this could (and, at least in the past, has) just as easily refer to news segments on WABC (AM).  WC  Quidditch  ☎   ✎  01:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it should probably be deleted. - BlueboyLINY (talk) 03:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate like other news disambiguation pages. Bassie f (talk) 05:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate Sorry if I caused confusion by creating this one. Please fix it as you see fit. Nightscream (talk) 12:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Delete or disambiguate? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. WABC News is not used as on-air branding and it is not clear why this would be searched.Esolo5002 (talk) 13:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per User:Esolo5002.
 * A loose necktie (talk) 08:37, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 17:15, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Refine to WABC-TV where there's a detailed mention of the channel's weekly news program, and there's also a history of its news department below. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:29, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per above, as WABC (AM) links to WABC Radio News: a historical perspective from 1978, with quote "This is John Meagher, WABC News..." --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 08:34, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: One more try for clearer consensus... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate as above. Was originally thinking WABC but it's fair to do WABC News as its own so it can also include that other historical perspective article. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:22, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * While I agree WABC should disambiguate (and it does) between the TV service and the radio station, I don't feel the same about WABC News, which is not mentioned at WABC (AM). The radio station talks about news affiliates, and there is the "NewsTalkRadio", so it could be part of a WABC news (without the capitalized N, Tamzin's quote notwithstanding) pointing to a section. Weak refine per Cyclone, otherwise Delete. Jay  💬 16:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'm good with Uanfala's retarget too. Jay  💬 07:12, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget as an R from incomplete disambiguation to the dab page WABC, where WABC-TV and WABC (AM) are the top two entries, while the remaining three are also broadcasters that could have conceivably had news segments. I don't see any point in a separate dab page here. I'd disagree with deletion because this is probably a plausible search term, and I'd avoid keeping the current target unless we're absolutely sure it represents the only meaning of the term. – Uanfala (talk) 02:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No objection. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 05:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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Fifty years war
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus (involved close)  . Well, we have gone an entire calendar month without anyone commenting here. That feels like the pinnacle of no consensus. No one seems to want to close this, so I'm just going to go ahead and IAR and do it. No prejudice against someone boldly unifying these to both point to Arab–Israeli conflict or Arab–Israeli War. And definiitely no objection to someone uninvolved reverting me and re-closing this.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 10:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Fifty years war → Arab–Israeli conflict (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fifty Years' War → Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should become a new disambiguation page, as just as frequently refers to the Cold War. Fifty Years War only related to the Arab Israeli conflict in 1998 (a book and TV series were published), unfortunately it is longer than 50 years now... Onceinawhile (talk) 21:46, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Disambiguation. Srnec (talk) 23:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * so it’s clear to a closer, which disambiguation do you mean? Onceinawhile (talk) 07:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean, make Fifty Years' War a dab page to include the Cold War and a nod to the Arab–Israeli War. Srnec (talk) 18:06, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:31, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I could not find the Cold War being referred to as the Fifty Years War. A reference at Cold War has a 2007 book The Fifty-Year War: Conflict and Strategy in the Cold War by Norman Friedman though. which book and TV series are you referring to?  Jay  💬 02:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See Richard Crockatt, The Fifty Years War: The United States and the Soviet Union in World Politics, 1941–1991. Srnec (talk) 00:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * So this is another book about the Cold War. I think the book may be referring to is The Fifty Years War: Israel and the Arabs by Ahron Bregman and Jihan El-Tahri. Neither of the current redirect targets, nor the Cold War, are referred to as the "Fifty Years War". We have no articles for the books, and we have multiple articles for the authors of the books. I would prefer delete both as ambiguous and additionally delete Fifty Years' War because of the apostrophe. I would not oppose a disambig page with the two (or more) book entries with links to their authors.  Jay  💬 13:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you would not oppose a dab page, why delete? Srnec (talk) 15:13, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Because it would be difficult for someone to come up with a dab page. But if it does come up and gets support, then I won't oppose it. Jay  💬 14:33, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: One more go... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:07, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, neither proposed use case seems prominent enough to justify a dab page. signed,Rosguill talk 19:51, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We've had redirects since 2012. I strongly oppose deletion. Srnec (talk) 15:13, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't think a disambiguation for the conflicts themselves would meet WP:DABMENTION at this time, but I think that can be resolved using the books in question. That being said, I don't think the book titles themselves count because they are only used in references. I did find one more: Apache Wars lists Death in the Desert: The Fifty Years' War for the Great Southwest as a reference. Perhaps a potential disambiguation could be "padded" with Final Fantasy Tactics: The story takes place after Ivalice ended its war with the two nations in what is known as the Fifty Years War, although that seems like an awfully minor plot point. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:08, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It appears to me that the only mentions of anything called the "fifty years' war" in the body of any article are the obscure Final Fantasy plot point and, more notably, the book by Ahron Bregman and Jihan El-Tahri and the related TV series. I think we should retarget to Bregman, the primary author, as an r from book; Bregman's article in turn links to El-Tahri's. A hatnote to Final Fantasy Tactics could be added, but I don't think it's necessary. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 05:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That won't be fair to the aforementioned Norman Friedman. Jay  💬 14:33, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Friedman's book is called Fifty-Year War, which I see as sufficient WP:SMALLDETAILS disambiguation here. On that note, if this is closed as retarget to Bregman, ' and ' should be created as well, with these redirects being avoided double redirects thereof. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 01:34, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: One more try for clearer consensus... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget' to List of conflicts by duration, adding an anchor at the 50-year mark in the table. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:19, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ahron Bregman as suggested by Tamzin for the same reasons. I don't object to retargetting the lowercase Fifty years war to the list as suggested by Pppery, since lowercase doesn't imply a proper noun. The list mentions all the conflicts mentioned above, although these conflicts aren't actually all at the 50 year mark so the anchor might not be helpful. However, I'm not strongly in-favour of targeting the list for the lowercase, and if others would rather all the redirects point to the same target, I'd go with Ahron Bregman for the book. – Scyrme (talk) 13:24, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the list or delete: ambiguous term with borderline usefulness as a search term. I don't get the proposal for redirecting to that one author: the article only mentions the book and TV series within a list of a dozen other works by the same author, and the only thing that readers will learn about them is the fact that they exist. Surely there ought to be some threshold of minimum content before we start creating navigation points? – Uanfala (talk) 18:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ahron Bregman. Retargeting to the list feels too much like original research. I could see the argument for treating this as a former name for the Arab-Israeli conflict, but I don't see any attestation for it in that article. --BDD (talk) 20:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete both. As Jay points out (but seems to have been overlooked by others), the apostrophe in "Fifty Years' War" makes it a bad redirect for a book titled "The Fifty Years War: Israel...". Creating the redirects Tamzin suggested should be sufficient for making searches for the book lead to the author. Legoktm (talk) 23:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't put much stock in that. Grammatically, the meaning is still "war of fifty years" with or without the apostrophe. If we had an article on the book, we wouldn't think twice about a redirect with the apostrophe, even though it isn't in the actual title. --BDD (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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County sheriff
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 30%23County sheriff

Deputy Sheriff I
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 09:11, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Deputy Sheriff I → Sheriffs in the United States (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving it unclear what the "I" is supposed to represent. Steel1943 (talk) 07:40, 23 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. The only thing keeping me from voting Speedy delete under WP:G6 is that I'm not entirely sure if this redirect was made in error. MightyArms (talk) 23:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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Deputy sheriff
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 30%23Deputy sheriff

MOS:DIALECT
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 30%23MOS:DIALECT

Juvinile Orion
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Juvinile Orion → Juvenile Orion (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect has received 126 views in the last 7 years, probably mostly from people scanning for the typo "juvinile", as this is the only result. It seems unlikely that this redirect is of much help to anyone. An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 03:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep likely typo. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep This is plausible typo as phonetically, people may think it is spelled that way. RoostTC (please ping me when replying) 00:16, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
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Stably isomorphic
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:11, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Stably isomorphic → Topological K-theory (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pages like Linear relation link this while using the term in context of modules, not vector bundles. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:12, 8 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Notified of the discussion at WikiProject Mathematics, and at the talk of the linked pages Linear relation and Euler sequence. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 01:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * What is the proposal here? To delete the redirect, or retarget it to a more appropriate article? Tevildo (talk) 08:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not have any particular proposal in mind but found the current situation potentially problematic, which is why I nominated it here. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:09, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks for the clarification. As a non-mathematician, it seems to me that the problem is not with the redirect itself, but with the definition at Topological K-theory.  I would therefore Oppose any changes to the redirect - the definition may need to be updated, but it currently appears to be in the correct location. Tevildo (talk) 20:11, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Do not delete. Is there anything like Wikipedia called "WikiMath"? It would be good idea to have this in math website, but this is in the article where this redirect makes me go, so I do not want to delete this. Ghost of Kiev  (talk) 17:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep (or create a new article at stably isomorphic): The notion of stably isomorphic at Linear relation and Topological K-theory are effectively the same. Yes, there is a slight problem because stably isomorphic is not stated at the redirect target in full generality, but this would be better solved by creating a general article collecting the various definitions of stably isomorphic. If nobody feels the impetus to create a new article though, the redirect is still fairly suitable in its current state. — MarkH21talk 21:20, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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