Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 28

November 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 28, 2022.

Unmentioned parodies of We Didn't Start the Fire
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 5%23Unmentioned parodies of We Didn't Start the Fire

Fei Ngo Shan Road
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 5%23Fei Ngo Shan Road

DVD coaster
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 5%23DVD coaster

Super Sonic
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:07, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Super Sonic → Sonic the Hedgehog (character) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I had decided to boldly redirect this redirect to Supersonic speed thinking that it was primary topic however Sergecross73 had reverted my edit saying that I “Might want to start a discussion on this.” Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 17:55, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Yes, I reverted the change after an IP notified me of issues the change in target had caused in an article. I checked the page history to see that it had historically redirected to the character, not the concept. Something I'm leaning towards retaining. While "supersonic" should (and does) definitely redirect to supersonic speed, the redirect in question - Super Sonic (capitalized and with a space) - may be more likely to refer to the character. I think its more likely to be a correct spelling of the character than 2 typo'd version of the concept. Sergecross73   msg me  18:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep This term with a space and capital "Sonic" is primarily used to refer to Sonic's transformation. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep but add a hatnote for people looking for supersonic speed. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:33, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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Donald X. Vaccarino
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 * The result of the discussion was moot  due to article creation. signed,Rosguill talk 19:07, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Donald X. Vaccarino → Dominion (card game) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete to encourage article creation, as he may well be notable enough for separate article. Dominion (card game) isn't his only notable game, as he also designed Kingdom Builder, so redirect to one game makes little sense Joseph2302 (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep as while he is likely notable for a standalone, until that is made, this is very much a usable search term. --M asem (t) 19:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm a bit confused. I agree a standalone should be made, but in that case, is it more proper to keep the current redirect or delete? The above two posts seem to contradict on this. Caleb Stanford (talk) 22:37, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per Masem, as an article can always be built from the existing redirect and there is no purpose served for not having the redirect in the meantime. BOZ (talk) 13:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Why should it point to Dominion (card game) and not Kingdom Builder? They're both games by him, and both games won the Spiel des Jahres, so they're both equally decent redirects. The existence of this redirect assumes that people want to learn about Dominion, which isn't necessarily the case. Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 13:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not too concerned about where it points. There once was an article, which has been moved to User:Jclemens/Donald X. Vaccarino. BOZ (talk) 15:37, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Close as moot as now has a reasonable stub in place. If it gets successfully AfD'ed (and this is a good argument that it should not be) then we can once again debate where the redirect should go. Jclemens (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Close as moot, seconded, nice work! Since some of the material from the new article (as noted on the talk page) was taken from User:Jclemens/Donald X. Vaccarino, which was a previous version of the article moved into user space, would it be best to do a history merge? BOZ (talk) 01:17, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No objection to Histmerge, and whichever admin does that, please consider this a CSD-U1 request for my userspace copy of the article once it has been done. Jclemens (talk) 02:37, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable. BOZ (talk) 11:39, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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Classico
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . N.b. this could have been done as a bold edit, rather than bringing to RfD signed,Rosguill talk 18:59, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Classico → The Pick of Destiny (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I suggest a dabification of this ambiguous term that could refer to quite a few different things. People searching up Classico could either want to know info about this, or the album, or the particular brand of pasta sauce owned by Kraft Heinz known as Classico. Colgatepony234 (talk) 16:38, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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Chautauqua CARTS
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 5%23Chautauqua CARTS

Egg custard
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 * The result of the discussion was target both to Custard  .  Jay  💬 18:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Egg custard → Custard (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Egg Custard → Custard tart (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These two redirects should point to the same article. In addition to their current targets, there is also egg tart as a possible target. eviolite  (talk)  16:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree. Deb (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget all to Custard: As per the article on Custard, it is necessarily (or at least generally) cooked with egg, so targeting the more general custard makes sense in my eyes. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:10, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget Egg Custard to Custard Custard is the main ingredient in a custard tart but not synonymous. WP:XY applies here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:24, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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Shiba Russell
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 * The result of the discussion was restored article  and sent to AfD. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:09, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Shiba Russell → WXIA-TV (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I was at first going to retarget this to WTXF-TV, which is her current station, but this realistically just seems like a costly redirect, which is evidenced by how long it has pointed to a page that is the station she has not been at for what it seems 6 years and that only has a passing mention of her on the page. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:43, 21 November 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Multiple options but no agreement yet… Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 16:11, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to WTXF-TV as she is mentioned there as a weeknight news co-anchor. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:48, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: To further explain my argument for nomination rationale for deletion is that this page proved itself to be WP:COSTLY with how long it took the redirect to be updated. I am not an oracle, and I cannot tell you if Shiba Russell will spend the rest of her entire career at WTXF-TV, but I can say anchors do tend to move around from station to station and with the lack of eyes on said redirects, they could often cause more harm than good. If this redirect is to not be deleted, it should certainly be retargeted to WTXF-TV. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 20:09, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Well it WAS a stub article until boldly redirected by in 2016.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:23, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm now split between deletion and restore and AfD. My concern with the latter is it's pretty much an entirely unsourced BLP if restored. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 00:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Restore article and send to AfD per WP:BLAR. I think this is the best of course of action based on the background stated by the editors above. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 10:20, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Restore and send to AFD seems like the best option here. Russell has been employed by multiple news stations, so retargeting would not be appropriate. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:31, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: I'm personally fine with send to AfD if that's how consensus seems to be going. To counter my previous argument, it is like that if there are any serious WP:BLP concerns those can be addressed quickly upon restoration. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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Stump Asteroid
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 18:54, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Stump Asteroid → Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target, and mentioned in passing in at least 2 other TMNT articles. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:06, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * If it should even exist as a redirect (and it's so obscure that it really doesn't need to at all), it should point to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures, the only version of TMNT to include the location. But, as I said, being a relatively minor location from only one incarnation of the franchise that has zero article links pointing to it, it doesn't even need to exist. So delete. oknazevad (talk) 00:17, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not a useful redirect. Too obscure to be useful. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:38, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as too obscure. It was either BLARd or merged to Dimension X (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) which in turn was BLARd. It had only a few unsourced lines before the merge/BLAR. Jay  💬 18:39, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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Dust (Babylon 5)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 5%23Dust (Babylon 5)

Cymru / Wales
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 17:43, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Cymru / Wales">Cymru / Wales → Wales (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Cymru / wales">Cymru / wales → Wales (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These are redirects a bit odd. While Cymru is the Welsh name for Wales, it seems improbable to search in the Cymru / Wales format as opposed to just or. It doesn't seem like the format of Redirect in Country's Main Language / Name of Country in English are extant for many other places that I can see, so it doesn't seem to be a widely used convention. The redirects themselves are both pretty infrequently used with 15 and 6 pageviews this year for and  respectively. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - not a useful redirect and per nom. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - pointless - Cymru on its own is redirected to Wales.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  15:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:14, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: As Cymru redirects to Wales anyway, it's not needed. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:03, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above  Dank Jae  23:51, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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IBM 370
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 5%23IBM 370

Freedom Ride
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 6%23Freedom Ride

Bela River
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 6%23Bela River

Shardul Singh Bakalawale
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  13:20, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Shardul Singh Bakalawale → Amritpal Singh Khalsa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

At their user talk page, creator claimed that they were personally told by A.S. Khalsa that he has changed his legal name. I was unable to verify this, finding zero results for this name or "Shardul Singh" in connection to his organization Waris Panjab De. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 05:25, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The user added the name again, without a source. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, fails verification. Jay  💬 06:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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Skill issue
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to User error. Refined current target. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 05:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Skill issue → User error (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, as this is a non-notable Internet meme not mentioned on the target page. An anonymous username, not my real name 04:04, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep as creator - The redirect itself is a good fit, as "skill issue" refers to a user error. The term is fairly widespread in gaming communities, though not enough to warrant its own page, so a redirect is appropriate here. The term is also covered on Wikitionary, and I've now added a sourced example of it to the target page via the "Acronyms and other names" section, which explains how the term is used in various subcultures. --Posted by Pikamander2   (Talk)  at 06:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Refine to User error where (rightly or wrongly) this term is explained. A7V2 (talk) 07:41, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll go ahead and point the redirect to that section. --Posted by Pikamander2   (Talk)  at 11:48, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Refine per AtV2, and creator who also added the mention. Jay  💬 04:10, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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Salmon and Trout
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 5%23Salmon and Trout

Wikipedia:NOBR
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Manual of Style/Accessibility. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:41, 4 December 2022 (UTC)


 * NOBR → Help:Line-break handling (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't feel that this redirect's target is appropriate; the target page mentions nothing against the use of line breaks. Instead I propose that the redirect be retargeted to Line breaks usage, which covers reasons against line breaks. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 01:35, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * That's an essay though. Are you sure the intended purpose of NOBR is to say "don't use line breaks"? Perhaps the purpose is to link to "how to use line breaks"... in which case the current link target is appropriate? CapnZapp (talk) 13:13, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:39, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Manual of Style/Accessibility, to match MOS:NOBR. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to Manual of Style/Accessibility: Per redrose64. Consistency with the redirect makes a world of sense. Also throw an A2r tag on  with  after close. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 01:45, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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Fukuro
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:59, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Fukuro → wiktionary:fukuro (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was originally a dab that was later converted to a soft redirect to wiktionary; however, the redirect is essentially retargeting to a Japanese word that has two English meanings neither of which seem to be used particularly commonly in English. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 01:29, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate for Kairō, Fukuro Station, the villages mentioned at Kuga, Gunma, and Uguisuzawa, Miyagi, and anything else meeting WP:DABMENTION. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:38, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Dabify per 61.239 -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
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