Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 10

October 10
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 10, 2022.

Seedrians
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18%23Seedrians

List of characters from Sonic X
 Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18%23List of characters from Sonic X

Anti-drone rfile
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Legoktm (talk) 01:13, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Anti-drone rfile → Directed-energy weapon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Rifle" is misspelled. 126 pageviews in the past 90 days, possibly because Anti-drone rifle has not been created. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. For what it's worth, I created Anti-drone rifle, making the misspelled version obsolete. Liliana UwU  (talk / contribs) 23:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Especially now that LilianaUwu has created the correct version. TartarTorte 14:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 11:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Due to the misspelling. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 20:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
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The Conflict in Palestine
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18%23The Conflict in Palestine

Arab–Jewish conflict in the Middle East
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Arab–Jewish conflict in the Middle East">Arab–Jewish conflict in the Middle East → Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Arab-Jewish conflict → Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should redirect to Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation), as a title of this form is unclear whether it means the Israeli–Palestinian conflict (which before 1948 was the Jewish–Arab conflict in Mandatory Palestine), or it may refer to the Arab–Israeli conflict. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Agree with nom. Srnec (talk) 23:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * you should nominate this at RfD as a proposal, not after you make the change. In this case, I guess it's a keep since you have already retargeted them. Jay  💬 02:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
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Fifty years war
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18%23Fifty years war

Arab Israeli war
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was Procedural close  . Closing this as there is a RM dicussion on the matter. (non-admin closure) – robertsky (talk) 07:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Arab Israeli war → Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Arab Israeli War → Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Arab–Israeli War">Arab–Israeli War → Arab–Israeli conflict (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Arab-Israeli War → Arab–Israeli conflict (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Arab–Israeli war">Arab–Israeli war → Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Arab-Israeli war → Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

In the singular, this term refers to a specific outbreak of violence (usually either 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973). These are known as the First Arab–Israeli War, Second Arab–Israeli War, Third Arab–Israeli War and Fourth Arab–Israeli War respectively. This link should point to Arab–Israeli War (disambiguation), which should move to the base name. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * This should be an RM. No change should be made without the RM first establishing no primary. Srnec (talk) 23:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think all should target Arab–Israeli conflict for now per what appears to be the existing consensus for the primary topic for the term Arab–Israeli War (so the others could be tagged as R to avoid double redirect to that), and then a RM can be started on the DAB page if desired, and then if moved these can all target the new dab page instead. A7V2 (talk) 01:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Requested move opened at: Talk:Arab–Israeli_War_(disambiguation). Onceinawhile (talk) 06:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedurally close this, and if the RM closes with a change, the redirects can be changed accordingly. Jay  💬 02:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
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Football (elliptical)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Football (ball).  Jay  💬 16:58, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Football (elliptical)">Football (elliptical) → Football (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect seems a bit obscure due to its disambiguator. It's probably not a likely search term considering it's not clear what "elliptical" is meant to refer or disambiguate, so for that reason I believe delete is the most helpful. However, as far as I am aware, the only form of football that uses an elliptical ball is American football, so weak retarget to American football if this redirect has to be kept. Steel1943 (talk) 18:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, "delete" only since Football (word) exists, and the article considers the ball used in rugby football a "football", and the ball used in rugby is elliptical in shape. So delete this redirect as ambiguous. Steel1943  (talk) 18:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Football (ball) per Thryduulf. Steel1943  (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:02, 3 October 2022‎ (UTC)
 * Rugby,, Rugby! :-) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Consensus is split on the utility of having this retargetted to Football (ball) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirect is an unlikely search term and ambiguous as well (an American football is somewhat elliptical, no?).  WP scatter  t/c 19:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Football (ball) in the spirit of . The elliptical ("prolate spheroid") ball is undoubtedly what is being searched for here but multiple sports use balls of that shape. They're all covered in that article so whether the searcher is wanting information about balls of that shape or the ball of a specific sport they will find it there. Thryduulf (talk) 19:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Football (ball) per Thryduulf. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 12:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - sometimes having unlikely search terms as redirects just creates more problems than they solve. I just can't imagine anyone typing this in looking for information about footballs. I see no valid rationale behind the redirect. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  20:08, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Football (ball). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to Football (ball) per Thryduulf. Unlikely search term perhaps, but anyone using it will find pertinent content. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Chiki bar
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18%23Chiki bar

Beehive cell
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Honeycomb. Legoktm (talk) 03:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Beehive cell → Beehive house (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The word "cell" is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what this phrase is meant to refer. In addition, another article, Clochán, is about a similar subject alternatively called a "beehive hut", so even with the use of "cell" being unclear, the redirect could potentially be ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 18:33, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Honeycomb: Unless there is something I am missing, I would very much expect this redirect to be about the cell of a bee's bee hive, which when together form a honeycomb. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Honeycomb per TartarTorte. A7V2 (talk) 01:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Honeycomb. I don't think it is ambiguous with "beehive hut". Jay  💬 02:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
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Beehive home
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18%23Beehive home

Chocolate pie
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 17%23Chocolate pie

International Journal of Physics
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 * The result of the discussion was Procedural Keep  . The nominator has nominated Category:International Digital Organization for Scientific Information academic journals for deletion at Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 10, which includes this redirect. The nominator has thereby withdrawn this RfD nomination. (non-admin closure) <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * International Journal of Physics → Category:International Digital Organization for Scientific Information academic journals (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect has no purpose. I've removed the category because it creates a circular redirect - but without the category, the subject is not mentioned in that same category and therefore the redirect is pointless. <b style="padding:5px">SailingInABathTub</b> <b style="padding:5px;background:#3366cc;color:white">🛁</b> 16:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: I had nominated one of these redirects for deletion a bit ago, and from what I learned in that RfD the purpose of this is to have people avoid using these predatory journals in citations. I was referred to Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 31, which has a good explanation as to the utility of these circular redirects. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is the link to my RfD: Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 21 <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:38, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was unaware of the original reasoning behind it. I'm not convinced by it though - if I saw this journal blue-linked when reviewing an article's sources, I would assume it to be a reliable/notable journal without checking (and I expect that I'm not alone). <b style="padding:5px">SailingInABathTub</b> <b style="padding:5px;background:#3366cc;color:white">🛁</b> 18:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep per previous discussions, e.g. Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 21 and Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 31. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Update, as this applies to every redirect in this category, I've nominated the category for deletion here Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 10. <b style="padding:5px">SailingInABathTub</b> <b style="padding:5px;background:#3366cc;color:white">🛁</b> 17:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Would you be ok with this as a procedural keep because if the CfD is closed as delete all the redirects will be deleted regardless? I actually don't disagree with you that this probably requires another discussion. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's fine. It doesn't make sense dealing with this one redirect at a time. Consider this nomination withdrawn. <b style="padding:5px">SailingInABathTub</b> <b style="padding:5px;background:#3366cc;color:white">🛁</b> 19:43, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Sonic Adventure 2 The Trial
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Sonic Adventure 2 The Trial → Sonic Adventure 2 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A demo version of Sonic Adventure 2. Not mentioned in article and no reliable sources to warrant a mention. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 15:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:43, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - As mentioned, it's the name of the demo released prior to the game. If it's not already, it should probably be mentioned somewhere in the development/release section. Reliable source IGN mentions it. It was a big deal back in 2000, so there's probably hard copy sources locked away from the internet too. Sergecross73   msg me  15:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See also: Articles for deletion/Sonic Adventure 2 The Trial.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  19:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep. It's definitely WP:V and the name is similar enough that no need to delete yet even if unmentioned, but probably could get a mention in the article at some point. Also per the decision in the AfD. Skynxnex (talk) 16:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Slovénie
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 16:35, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Slovénie">Slovénie → Slovenia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:FORRED. Languages of Slovenia makes it clear there is no significant affinity between the French language and Slovenia - it is taught as a foreign language but it's not one of the top four and is known by less than about 10% of the population. Thryduulf (talk) 15:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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I hope she made lots of spaghetti
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 * The result of the discussion was soft redirect  to Mario (franchise). (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I hope she made lots of spaghetti → Hotel Mario (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A quote from Hotel Mario said by one of the main characters, Luigi. The quote is known for being a meme for the last two decades. Possibly WP:GAMECRUFT to include it into the article and there was only one source I could find that was only a passing mention. This phrase probably shouldn’t be included into the article as there isn’t anywhere to even mention it. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 14:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 14:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - trivial part of the redirect subject, unlikely search term. Sergecross73   msg me  14:47, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Soft retarget to Mario (franchise): This quote is mentioned on wikiquote, so a soft retarget to there is likely helpful. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 17:03, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect to Mario (franchise) per Tartar. It may be a trivial quote to some, but we do have relevant content at that target. Regards, SONIC 678 04:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
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Il Piantissimo
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18%23Il Piantissimo

Shine Get!
<span id="Shine Get!"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18%23Shine Get!

Wind Sprites
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Eely Mouth
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 15:58, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Eely Mouth → Super Mario Sunshine (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A minor boss from this game. Not mentioned in article and probably WP:MARIOCRUFT to include it. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 14:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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3 up moon
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Super Mario. Legoktm (talk) 01:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * 3 up moon → Super Mario World (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A minor power up in which it will give 3 lives. Not mentioned in article and probably WP:MARIOCRUFT <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 12:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete No Wikipedia/out-of-universe significance for the item. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Super Mario where it is mentioned. Jay  💬 15:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding a more relevant place, would support this retarget. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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Super Mario Brothers 2 Advance
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Super Mario USA(Japan)/Super Mario Bros.2(West)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 15:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Super Mario USA(Japan)/Super Mario Bros.2(West)">Super Mario USA(Japan)/Super Mario Bros.2(West) → Super Mario Bros. 2 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unplausible redirect due to the / in the title. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 12:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Unrealistic search term. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Caused by a user who was indef-blocked on WP:NOTHERE and renamed the SMB2 article to this monstrosity against consensus. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Should I tag as WP:G7 then? <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 16:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - as ridiculous. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  17:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and above. This title is just ridiculous and implausible for several reasons: 1) there's a "/" in the title, which doesn't seem to contain an internal space and is used in a case where parentheses would make more sense in a sentence; 2) it lacks spaces between the titles and disambiguators, plus one between "Bros." and "2"; and 3) we don't have either of the separate titles with the disambiguators, correctly spaced or otherwise. We do have Super Mario USA, but that or the "Western" title should suffice for people seeking the target article. This weird title is just...not a plausible search term. Regards(Real World)/It's a-me(Mario Universe), SONIC 678(!) 18:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Besides the comments made by all of the above, both sides of the title have some WP:RDAB weirdness due to having no space between the titles and their respective disambiguators. Steel1943  (talk) 18:42, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Hammer Brother Mario (Mario)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 15:32, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Hammer Brother Mario (Mario)">Hammer Brother Mario (Mario) → Super Mario Bros. 3 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I really doubt this is a likely search option due to the fact that it has two disambiguations. One without parentheses and one with parentheses. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 12:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Implausible. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - delete for the reasons reasons above above ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  17:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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BS Super Mario Bros 3
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Super Mario 3 Special
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The Silmarillion/Sindarin
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 13:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Silmarillion/Sindarin">The Silmarillion/Sindarin → Sindarin (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely format to search for (one would think users would search for either The Silmarillion or Sindarin). As such, it is a misleading and confusing redirect, and there does not seem to be any noteworthy page history despite what the notice says. Probably delete. TNstingray (talk) 01:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:18, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete – deletion is probably OK here. It's an old subpage and I history-merged the relevant history to the right place (see the relevant log). I found this nomination because it was mentioned at user talk:0, which is on my watchlist; see User:0 for an explanation of the username. Also see the relevant history at the Nostalgia Wikipedia, which includes the original creator of the redirect (there's no point in notifying them or importing their edit) and the edit that I'd history-merged a while back. Graham 87 04:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete – there is no history to speak of, and the title is unimaginably improbable as a search term. I doubt that anybody on the WikiProject even knew it was there, or that anyone has intentionally used it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete – per nom. --CiaPan (talk) 09:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:R: Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including ... old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. If we're going to start deleting this kind of redirect, it should probably be an RfC. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 16:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , no Wikipedia articles link to the page at all. There are just deletion discussion pages and a couple of users. Nothing to get all hot and RfCed about. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: This page got 498 pageviews in 2021, meaning it's probably linked to from somewhere externally. While it's not necessarily our job to make sure all external links are appropriate, older ones, especially subpages, are WP:CHEAP redirects and this one seems to have some incoming traffic. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 18:24, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tamzin. No real reason to delete has been advanced. Possible harm from deletion. A7V2 (talk) 07:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XY. Guess I'm going to break the grain or WP:IAR or whatever, but I've never agreed with that wording excerpt from WP:R, and probably never will. Titles in redirects and Wikipedia serve Wikipedia, not external web sites. If it's misleading in Wikipedia, it's misleading outside Wikipedia. When we'll delete titles in most other cases no matter how old they are (with consensus or WP:CSD, of course), the fact that these subpage-style redirects have to be an exception has never made sense to me. Steel1943  (talk) 18:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per TartarTorte's concrete rationale. It's unlikely this redirect will mislead more than a few people, and clearly some people are using it, for whatever reason. Ovinus (talk) 22:23, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per above. It's used, quite highly. Therefore deleting the redirect would harm navigability for those readers, to the page formerly known as . It isn't a common search term, so the few users who may be slightly XY-confused are irrelevant compared to the hordes following some external link. This is thus helpful for navigability. I don't view it as a good thing to do to ruin navigability for a little bit of clutter removal. (And yes, I do think that would require an RfC.)See also old discussion and current discussion on similar redirects.  J947  † edits 00:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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Azerbaijan dictator
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.

First, there is consensus that any BLP issues/concerns have been addressed per WP:RNEUTRAL, as Ilham Aliyev is described in multiple reliable sources as a dictator.

However, there is another issue: there are multiple people who could be considered as an "Azerbaijan dictator", as Ovinus argued, which is a strong reason for deletion. Disambiguation was suggested as an alternative, however multiple people explicitly opposed disambiguation at the current title, noting that "Azerbaijan leader" would be a better disambiguation page (there was no opposition to that proposal if someone wishes to create that, though no one explicitly supported it). Legoktm (talk) 04:15, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Azerbaijan dictator → Ilham Aliyev (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I just want to make sure that this is an alright redirect. I know we have some strict rules about articles dealing with living people. The article has multiple sources that back up this claim and I would normally agree that this is correct. If it's clear that I'm wrong I'll withdraw the nomination as a speedy keep, only submitted it because it deals with a living person.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 00:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Do not redirect - This kind of redirect is inappropriate in my opinion. Even if there are sources that depict Ilham as a dictator, there are also sources that do not. This redirect is labeling, which I believe Wikipedia is not intended for. It's one thing to reflect how various sources describe someone; it's quite another to label someone. This, in my perspective, is not only unacceptable for BLP vise, but also drastically destroys neutrality balance. A b r v a g l (<b style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#d43134">PingMe</b>) 04:50, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep the arguments for deletion are not policy based. BLP does not prohibit well-sourced criticism of living individuals, and there is no requirement for redirects to be neutral: "if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms". Aliyev's article already discusses the perception of him as a dictator and there are many RS that describe him as such (just a few examples: ) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reply. Is keeping that POV redirect policy based? I do not think so. "Azerbaijan dictator"? How does that kind of pointless POV redirect, which does not even seem grammatically correct, improves Wikipedia? The only reasonable explanation I can think of is to redirect Google searches for "Azerbaijan dictator" to the Ilham Aliyev article and that is not appropriate as per WP:G10. Such kind of labeling redirect will create immediate (without reading) impressions not only about the person, but also about the country. If an article states that someone is a dictator based on the sources supplied, that is perfectly OK; but, redirect with such a contentious labeling is inappropriate and distorts neutral point of view, which is one of Wikipedia's core content policies. A b r v a g l (<b style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#d43134">PingMe</b>) 07:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL it's OK to redirect people from a biased title to a neutral one, and the article lead does say "Many observers see Aliyev as a dictator".  Hut 8.5  07:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I at first was also hesitant but Aliyew is really often mentioned as a dictator and this also by European politicians and in useful sources for Wikipedia. More than the ones brought forward above are found here, here, here here,here, and here.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL. Neither BLP nor any other policy prohibits Wikipedia using redirects from non-neutral search terms to neutrally-titled articles, indeed where a term is in widespread use (as here) such redirects are encouraged. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Hut 8.5 According to WP:RNEUTRAL, using non-neutral language is permitted in some circumstances. WP:NPOVNAME, explaining that some circumstances, indicates that non-neutral terms are generally avoided on Wikipedia, with the exception of common names. "Azerbaijan dictator" is not a common name for Ilham Aliyev article. It is a POV name, and enabling such redirection would be absurd.  A b r v a g l (<b style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#d43134">PingMe</b>) 13:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It isn't a common name for him, but it is a common search term for him. Somebody using this search term on Wikipedia is looking for the encyclopaedia article about the only leader of Azerbaijan to be called a dictator and there is no policy based reason why we should make it harder for them to find that article. Thryduulf (talk) 15:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a very selective interpretation of RNEUTRAL, which says quite clearly perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. Lack of neutrality is pretty much the only reason you've offered for deleting this redirect. WP:NPOVNAME addresses article titles and isn't relevant here because this isn't an article.  Hut 8.5  17:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:RNEUTRAL refers to the WP:NPOVNAME, so it is relevant. There is no reason for inclusion, where there is policy based reasons for not inclusion. "Azerbaijan dictator" is not common name, it is not even a name. With same logic we can also redirect something like "pink pony" to the Ilham Aliyev article. Why not "pink pony"? There is no sufficient reason for its deletion and no reason for inclusion either. A b r v a g l (<b style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#d43134">PingMe</b>) 06:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * 'Keep, per the arguments above. InvadingInvader (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep Thank you everyone for clearing this up for me, again I only pushed this here because this was about a living person and I try really hard to not screw that stuff up. Also sorry to anyone who might have felt attacked or hurt by this nomination, that was never my intent.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 23:31, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Dr vulpes - this is the first time I have seen a POV fork disguised as a redirect – and worst of all, obliquely in WikiVoice. There are real dictators, and our articles safely say it in WikiVoice if it is a dictator. That person is an elected President, and as the article states, Many observers see Aliyev as a dictator, but I did not spend any time to verify those claims, and don't intend to do so. Regardless, nothing in that BLP warrants saying in WikiVoice that he is a dictator. Go with your initial gut feeling because it is correct more than it is not. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 22:22, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Delete I'm less troubled by the BLP or NPOV implications of the redirect than its lack of accuracy and its "surprise value". It should redirect to President of Azerbaijan, if anywhere—replace "dictator" with "president" or "leader" and consider where that should go. Indeed, "Azerbaijian dictator" could mean many different things; Joseph Stalin was dictator of the Soviet Union containing Azerbaijan for decades. Finally, it is clearly a very unlikely search term (about 5 pageviews per month). Ovinus (talk) 01:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I oppose a disambiguation page here, unless the page is "Azerbaijan leader" and dictator directs there. There is no evidence that "Azerbaijan dictator" is a correct and neutral term for the people cited. It is POV pushing to describe both Aleyivs as a dictator or whoever else might fit, but not include other past leaders of Azerbaijan. Although NPOV is less important on dab pages, it's more important than on redirects; WP:DABNEUTRAL is not a thing as far as I'm aware. Ovinus (talk) 18:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete : No issue with BLP here or with describing Aliyev as a dictator. It's more that as pointed out by Ovinus above, Ilham Aliyev isn't the only appropriate target. In addition to what was mentioned, Heydar Aliyev (Ilham's father) had a 10 year presidency described as dictatorial. This just seems like there's no appropriate target for this term. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 17:02, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * DABify per Thryduulf's suggestion below. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete following Ovinus and TartarTorte's reasoning above. It's not an appropriate page title, it's just a possible search term, and not one with a single, concrete answer.  WP scatter  t/c 02:16, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * If the term can refer to multiple people then the correct course of action is a disambiguation page not deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Striking my vote in suggestion of DABifying. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Delete per ' reasoning. – QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid search term with sufficient sourced mentions at the target justifying it. Oppose disambiguation per Ovinus (POV word "dictator" instead of "leader") and Abrvagl (grammatically incorrect title). Jay  💬 12:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect To President of... per above comment. We cannot have redirects that are slurs and none of the Aliyevs would call themselves "dictator", but discussion of how the post has been used as a strongman position and not like in a democratic republic is appropriate. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete – first time I've seen a POV fork in the form of a redirect. It doesn't matter what we think about these people, as an encyclopedias we do not have opinions - we publish factual information and quote the opinions of others. That redirect is our creation - and it is clearly POV. Ovinus has a very strong argument for deletion as well. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme  💬 📧 22:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Sematary
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  at least until the rapper article gets into mainspace. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Sematary → Cemetery (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Don't see any good reason to keep this - the Stephen King connection may mean a link to Pet Semetary is necessary, but I think that on its own this is best to be just deleted. QueenofBithynia (talk) 20:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Specifically, what should be done with the redirect in absence of an article on the musician/rapper? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 06:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: I was about to say "keep as a plausible established misspelling" (see this Merriam-Webster article), but then I looked up this term on third party search engines, and most results are about some American musician whose notability I cannot ascertain at the moment. At this point, I'm torn. Steel1943  (talk) 21:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Pet Sematary. King invented this spelling for good and sufficient plot reasons and it has since escaped into the wild somewhat but there's no doubt that it is not a valid alternate spelling - the only connection is to the book. See here for some coverage: -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note the redirect wasn't tagged for deletion, I've just corrected that and will notify people shortly. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not seeing any uses of this to refer to "Pet Sematary" without the "pet" so I don't see it as a useful partial title match whereas it is a slightly useful misspelling redirect. My gut feeling is that the musician is possibly notable, unreferenced articles have been deleted (A7) and reverted a couple of times but there is coverage out there so I'd explicitly allow overwriting the redirect with an article about them, possibly after starting as a draft. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Good chance that the rapper would pass basic N:ARTIST actually - - so that may not be a bad idea. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I would not be against a page existing for the musician, but I take issue with the current redirect. QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:27, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See Draft:Sematary (rapper). Steel1943  (talk) 19:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - this is a phonetic misspelling which is apparently sensible enough for a musician to adopt it as their stage name. No evidence that the rapper is notable or that the draft has any chance of being accepted in the near future. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  14:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as a plausible misspelling. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Phulagiri Dhewa
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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted per CSD G7.  The sole author of this redirect requested deletion. Jesse Viviano (talk) 16:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Phulagiri Dhewa → Phulaguri Dhawa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Deletion - In trying to create a redirect for the phrase Phulaguri Dhewa, the creator (myself) accidentally mis-spelt the first word Phulaguri. JTF2020 (talk) 05:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Yuri Sucart
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Yuri Sucart → Alex Rodriguez (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Yuri Sucart is Alex Rodriguez's cousin who was involved in the Biogenesis scandal, but he is not mentioned anywhere on wikipedia and if a mention isn't added, this redirect is a bit confusing. A redirect to Biogenesis scandal seems like it might be preferable if an appropriate mention can be added, but otherwise it seems like deletion is the way to go. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 02:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - minor player in the scandal. If information is added to the Biogenesis article, then we can redirect there in the future, but for the time being the redirect does not serve any real purpose. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  20:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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