Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 15

October 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 15, 2022.

Viserys
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 22%23Viserys

Aerial art
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 26%23Aerial art

Locally small category
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was keep and retarget.


 * Keep Locally small category
 * Retarget Locally small to Category (mathematics) (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 10:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Locally small category → Category (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Locally small → Glossary of category theory (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These should lead to the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 08:24, 23 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 09:13, 30 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 01:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Subobject notes that "locally small" is ambiguous ("this clashes with a different usage of the term locally small, namely that there is a set of morphisms between any two objects") and indeed our Morphism article does use the term but I can't work out with which meaning. I'm surprised that the term is not ambiguous with something outside mathematics but it doesn't appear to be. Thryduulf (talk) 09:37, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Note: I've left a note about this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. Thryduulf (talk) 22:14, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment "Locally small" seems to be used in two difference contexts. Looking in nlab, one finds "locally small category" (https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/locally+small+category) and "locally small object" (https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/locally+small+object).  I suggest the following: (1) Introduce Locally small (category) that redirects to the same as Locally small category. Do not introduce Locally small (object) if we don't currently have an article about that. (2) Delete the redirect Locally small after making sure it's not linked from other wikipedia articles.  For my information, how can one check what is linking to Locally small? PatrickR2 (talk) 02:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Special:WhatLinksHere/Locally small. Also, I find the idea of deleting a redirect because it's ambiguous with something that isn't mentioned bizarre. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:36, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe you are right. In that case, we should probably:
 * (1) Introduce Locally small (category) pointing to the same target as Locally small category.
 * (2) Edit the few places that currently link to Locally small to use this new wikilink (using piped redirect syntax for convenience), assuming they were referring to locally small categories and not locally small objects.
 * (3) Leave the redirect Locally small as is, redirecting to the glossary. It would remain ambiguous, but that's the way it is. PatrickR2 (talk) 05:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Per the comments. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 20:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as explained in my separate comment. PatrickR2 (talk) 05:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment As someone who has worked in category theory for a bit, my impression is that the meaning given in Category (mathematics) is by far the predominant one. While I have encountered $$\kappa$$-small objects for some cardinal $$\kappa$$ very frequently,  locally small (objects) are referred to quite rarely. If such ambiguity at the target of Locally small is intended, then one should add a reference to a locally small object to the glossary entry. Felix QW (talk) 09:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that that is the predominant meaning. PatrickR2 (talk) 20:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * doesn't the glossary entry already have a reference to locally small object? Jay  💬 06:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Hi, not sure why you relisted that again. From the comments so far, people have suggested a few things,  introducing other redirects, etc, which is is somewhat outside the scope of the decision at hand.  But nobody is suggesting to merge the two links as the original editor was proposing. PatrickR2 (talk) 04:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget Locally small to Category (mathematics) and keep Locally small category as a redirect to the same target. Unless there is another meaning of "locally small" existing on Wikipedia, both redirects should point to the same target. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 05:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As fas as I can see, the linked glossary entry discusses small objects, but not locally small objects, while it does discuss locally small categories. So unless I missed something, the glossary entry does not actually inform about the ambiguity. Felix QW (talk) 08:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I did not realize that. Wikipedia may be incomplete in this respect (see https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/locally+small+object).  But as you mentioned before, the predominant use of "locally small" is for categories and not objects.  So we could also decide to just ignore locally small objects in wikipedia? PatrickR2 (talk) 21:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You are right, my bad. As there is no mention of locally small object at the glossary, I would support Felix QW and GeoffreyT2000 to point both redirects to Category (mathematics). Jay  💬 08:28, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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Joe Trudeau
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Joseph Trudeau. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:28, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Joe Trudeau → Justin Trudeau (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible misnomer for the subject. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: One more relist for a stronger opinion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 18:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: This is a Spicerism that had some relevance in 2017 and less now, but I guess it's in theory a plausible redirect. Video reference: CBC <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 18:24, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per TartarTorte. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 15:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per suggestions below. Justin being "sometimes mistakenly called Joe Trudeau" is covered at that page. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 04:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to Joseph Trudeau. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 02:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget: per &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:35, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Joseph Trudeau, which lists all people that could be potentially be called Joe Trudeau.<span id="ClydeFranklin:1666140736807:WikipediaFTTCLNRedirects_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_15" class="FTTCmt"> — Clyde!Franklin! 00:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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Foreign language redirects to Belarus
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 * The result of the discussion was keep Respublika Belarus and Byelarossia; delete Belarussi, Belorusi, and Bielaruś.  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 00:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Belarussi → Belarus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Belorusi → Belarus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Bielaruś">Bielaruś → Belarus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Byelarossia → Belarus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Respublika Belarus → Belarus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Per WP:FORRED foreign language redirects should only exist where there is affinity between the language and the target, but there is none between Belarus and any of Maltese, Slovenian, Catalan, Indonesian or Azerbaijani/Uzbekistani respectively. Although "Byelarossia" is tagged as I'm not seeing any uses in an English language context. Thryduulf (talk) 16:41, 8 October 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: One participant thought 3 out of 5 of the entries should probably be deleted, and another participant didn't go through 4 of the entries. However both are in agreement that one of them should be kept. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 18:34, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Respublika Belarus, which wasn´t created as the Azerbaijani or Uzbek version, but as the official long form of the name in Russian, as given in the CIA Factbook or e.g. here. No opinion yet on the others, I haven´t looked at them so I don´t know if the nomination is more correct for those or not. Fram (talk) 17:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Respublika Belarus per Fram, transliteration of the official name mentioned in the article. Next best is Byelarossia, a transliteration of "White Russia" in Russian. Others should probably go. —Kusma (talk) 18:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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Тайфун Майсак
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 22%23Тайфун Майсак

Cossart, Pennsylvania
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 23%23Cossart, Pennsylvania

Fox Baltimore
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to WBFF. Closing a day early under SNOW as a simple mistake correction. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:00, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Fox Baltimore → WCAU (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The station redirects to an NBC station in Philadelphia,which means this redirect is misleading both ways. Danubeball (talk) 16:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WBFF: WBFF is the Baltimore Fox affiliate. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to WBFF. Baltimore FOX affiliate which often calls itself FOX Baltimore. Also, this redirect was not properly tagged and still redirected to WCAU with the RFD message below, which I fixed.<span id="ClydeFranklin:1665866510691:WikipediaFTTCLNRedirects_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_15" class="FTTCmt"> — Clyde State your case (please use&#32; on reply) 20:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WBFF per above. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 06:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WBFF posthaste. How was this created and left to sit like this!? Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 06:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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7:46
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 * The result of the discussion was WP:SNOW keep  . There is no reasonable possibility that a consensus for deletion will form at this point.  BD2412  T 18:17, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * 7:46 → Eight minutes 46 seconds (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't see why this redirect is necessary. The actual time was 9:29 and I haven't seen 7:46 used as a symbol associated with police like 8:46, so I don't see why this redirect is necessary. The redirect was created during the time when it was incorrectly believed that Chauvin kneeled on Floyd for seven minutes and 46 seconds. It is now known that the correct time was nine minutes and 29 seconds, as proven by body cam footage. It also isn't typically associated with police brutality like 8:46. 8:46 is commonly associated with police brutality and the murder of George Floyd, so that redirect is acceptable despite being a misnomer. The 7:46 redirect is a misnomer that isn't used commonly and should not be associated with the murder of George Floyd, and most people aren't doing so. I think this redirect should be deleted. CriticalMaster95 (talk) 15:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Seems to have a bit of usage judging by pageviews and it doesn't seem like there is another target this is blocking, so there's no great harm in it existing. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: harmless, described. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Seems like an unnecessary redirect. Probably should be removed. Liesa Hicks (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RFD #4: For months, 7:46 was considered the correct time.—Bagumba (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plausible incorrect name.<span id="ClydeFranklin:1665867084981:WikipediaFTTCLNRedirects_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_15" class="FTTCmt"> — Clyde State your case (please use&#32; on reply) 20:51, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Reasonably common error which is explained in the article. A7V2 (talk) 03:46, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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Dupont´s lark
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 * The result of the discussion was delete as to all except Anton Bernolák´s Chapel  .  BD2412  T 14:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Dupont´s lark">Dupont´s lark → Dupont's lark (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Dirac`s large numbers hypothesis">Dirac`s large numbers hypothesis → Dirac large numbers hypothesis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Devil´s slide">Devil´s slide → Teufelsrutsch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Curry`s paradox">Curry`s paradox → Curry's paradox (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Children`s Hospital (Saint Louis)">Children`s Hospital (Saint Louis) → St. Louis Children's Hospital (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Cherrie´s Pocket Gopher">Cherrie´s Pocket Gopher → Cherrie's pocket gopher (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Chaitin`s number">Chaitin`s number → Chaitin's constant (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Cantor`s dust">Cantor`s dust → Cantor set (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Bart´s Not Dead">Bart´s Not Dead → Bart's Not Dead (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Athelete`s foot">Athelete`s foot → Athlete's foot (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Artisan`s Brewery and Italian Grill">Artisan`s Brewery and Italian Grill → Beer in New Jersey (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Armageddon´s Blade">Armageddon´s Blade → Heroes of Might and Magic III: Armageddon's Blade (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Anton Bernolak´s Chapel">Anton Bernolak´s Chapel → Anton Bernolák's Chapel (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Alcorn´s Pocket Gopher">Alcorn´s Pocket Gopher → Alcorn's pocket gopher (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="A Midwinter Night´s Dream">A Midwinter Night´s Dream → A Midwinter Night's Dream (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="1933 Chicago World´s Fair">1933 Chicago World´s Fair → Century of Progress (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible/WP:UNNATURAL; the properly apostrophised versions exist, and the pages were never located at these titles. See also Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 13. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:13, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all: per nom/highly implausible search. Thanks for finding all of these. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all Some of these redirects contain an isolated acute accent, and others contain an isolated backtick, instead of an apostrophe. The former, especially, does not appear on the QWERTY or Dvorak keyboard layouts. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 16:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all: per the above reasons - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 17:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom and above-why do we need these incorrectly apostrophized redirects when the correctly formatted versions exist? You also forgot Anton Bernolák´s Chapel, which I'm adding here. Regards, SONIC 678 19:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sonic678 No, I deliberately did not include it per below. Also I have not nominated the ones past letter D yet. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:05, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I forgot. I'll remove it. Regards, SONIC 678 15:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Anton Bernolák´s Chapel has some links from when I moved it. I'll take care of them. — kwami (talk) 20:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Implausible hyphens. <span id="ClydeFranklin:1665867169132:WikipediaFTTCLNRedirects_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_15" class="FTTCmt"> — Clyde State your case (please use&#32; on reply) 20:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all BUT Anton Bernolák´s Chapel, which was a longstanding title that was only corrected in 2020.<span id="ClydeFranklin:1666225339930:WikipediaFTTCLNRedirects_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_15" class="FTTCmt"> — Clyde!Franklin! 00:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Anton Bernolák´s Chapel (the lowest nominated redirect): This was the original title of Anton Bernolák's Chapel for 13 years, from 2007 to 2020, until it was moved to the current title. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 07:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @1234qwer1234qwer4: You may want to remove this RfD from the nomination as it is not pages were never located at these titles. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 07:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the wrong ping. It was @Sonic678 who added it. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 07:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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Tomm
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  .  Jay  💬 08:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Tomm → Train of Many Metals (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It seems odd to have a redirect to an acronym at this capitalization. I propose to delete this and move Tomm (disambiguation) here instead. BD2412 T 06:09, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 09:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 06:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support especially since TOMM already redirects to the dab. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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UNIHD
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 24%23UNIHD

Palindromes that link to Palindrome
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of notable English palindromic phrases. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:27, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Lonely tylenol → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Dennis and Edna sinned → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="A dog, a panic in a pagoda">A dog, a panic in a pagoda → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Oozy rat in a sanitary zoo → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While there are some famous palindromes listed in the article, these are not listed there and have not seemingly been for a little bit. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 00:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - seems there might be room for a "List of notable English palindromes" article, and if sources discussing these could be found then they could point there. BlackholeWA (talk) 18:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Can these palindromes be sourced to any pre-existing source? Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's see. I'll start a draft at Draft:List of notable English palindromes. BD2412  T 18:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean, are these four palindomes cited in some source? Can't be notable if not cited anywhere. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:00, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Each one of them, if searched individually, turns up in multiple books., , , , BD2412  T 21:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with BlackholeWA. I think this is comparable to our existing English-language idioms. BD2412  T 18:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * On further examination, I find that lists of palindromes have previously been deleted from the encyclopedia, see Articles for deletion/List of palindromic phrases in English and Articles for deletion/List of palindromes, though those have had issues specifically with sourcing. BD2412  T 18:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable to find sources that discuss specific palindromes and create an article on that basis. I am not sure what the content of the previous articles were, but if they were just lists of any palindromes# without context, then it makes sense that they were removed. There also appears to have previously been a list section in the "Palindrome" article that has since been edited out of existence, which leaves a content gap that a new article can fill if we can find enough examples of specific palindromes. I do think this is content that should be covered on Wikipedia in some manner if it is well sourced, similar to the idioms article. BlackholeWA (talk) 23:38, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have found about a half dozen good sources (and a few weaker sources) for palindromes, including for the four referenced in this discussion. BD2412  T 04:15, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! I am looking at your draft and have no objections. Seems reasonable as plenty of palindromes have individual notability, and they definitely have notability as a grouped class of related phrases. I will !vote to Post draft article via BD2412 and retarget the redirects in question to it, as well as placing redirects at each of the other discussed palindromes that don't already have a page or target to point there. BlackholeWA (talk) 19:33, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to List of notable English palindromic phrases due to BD2412's draft creation, which mentions all of them.<span id="ClydeFranklin:1666130866471:WikipediaFTTCLNRedirects_for_discussion/Log/2022_October_15" class="FTTCmt"> — Clyde!Franklin! 22:07, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the draft is officially good enough to move to mainspace, though I have some concern that it will immediately be nominated for deletion (even though it does not have the sourcing infirmities of the previously deleted versions). BD2412  T 22:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Link this discussion if it does, and additionally I am happy to argue in favour of retaining it. Wikipedia has plenty of similar standalone lists. BlackholeWA (talk) 23:04, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I would also take this discussion as evincing a consensus that this article should exist (properly referenced, of course). BD2412  T 03:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to List of notable English palindromic phrases. BD2412  T 03:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget all to List of notable English palindromic phrases per above. And consider this a !vote to keep if it gets taken to AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 13:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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