Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 3

October 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 3, 2022.

Sam Speed
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11%23Sam Speed

Scarlet Lucia
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion .  ✗  plicit  23:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Scarlet Lucia → Sonic X (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A minor character in Sonic X. No mention in the article and no reliable sources to warrant a mention. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 23:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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Delaware River Valley
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11%23Delaware River Valley

List of characters from Sonic X
 Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 10%23List of characters from Sonic X

JRR Tolkien/Sindarin
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  primarily because of WP:R. (Note that this has not always been a redirect, it appears to have existed as an article from April 2001 to February 2002.) Legoktm (talk) 01:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * JRR Tolkien/Sindarin → Sindarin (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Yesterday, I nominated a redirect with similar formatting (The Silmarillion/Sindarin). I believe it falls into the same category: improbable search term, no meaningful page history, etc. Delete per same reasoning as my other nomination. TNstingray (talk) 16:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 21:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - appears to be the remnant of a long-outdated convention. No longer serves any purpose. Change to keep per Tamzin. Was not aware of the K4 rationale but this surely seems to apply. I guess they created that guideline for a reason so I will follow it. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  16:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete outdated formatting. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 16:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Update: still support deletion, I searched rather exhaustively for existing links on external pages and I don't think there are any. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 16:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:R: Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including ... old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. If we're going to start deleting this kind of redirect, it should probably be an RfC. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 16:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * : that'd be a splendid reason, but there actually aren't any: no Wikipedia articles at all. There are just deletion discussion pages and a couple of user pages. There is also no history to speak of, it's always been a redirect. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. TNstingray (talk) 13:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , in RfD discourse, = links from outside en.wp.  J947  † edits 00:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - page is not needed, is not linked, and is not a plausible search target. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tamzin. No real reason for deletion has been advanced, and a reason to keep applies. Also note that the talkpage notifications to User:0 were futile as that is not any actual user's name which is peculiar (see the userpage). A7V2 (talk) 07:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I use Twinkle and have not had previous issues with this. Not sure why that happened. TNstingray (talk) 13:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Twinkle is correctly following the metadata it gets from MediaWiki. That metadata just happens to be wrong in this case. Probably no point in building in a special case for it though. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 17:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I worded it a bit strangely, it wasn't in any way intended as criticism. Even though they aren't quite a user, they are listed as the creator of this so it makes sense for Twinkle to do that as it would normally be expected to post on the creator's talkpage when listing a redirect here. A7V2 (talk) 06:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XY. Guess I'm going to break the grain or WP:IAR or whatever, but I've never agreed with that wording excerpt from WP:R, and probably never will. Titles in redirects and Wikipedia serve Wikipedia, not external web sites. If it's misleading in Wikipedia, it's misleading outside Wikipedia. When we'll delete titles in most other cases no matter how old they are (with consensus or WP:CSD, of course), the fact that these subpage-style redirects have to be an exception has never made sense to me. Steel1943  (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per above; . Has views also.  J947  † edits 00:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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Aqd'
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Legoktm (talk) 00:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Aqd' → Islamic economics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A misspelling of 'aqd, in turn an ASCII-only transliteration of عقود (ʿaqd). Neither 'aqd nor ʿaqd exists, and none of these three spellings can be found at the current target. Those terms should probably stay red under WP:REDYES, as contracts under Islamic law are a notable topic that currently do not get focused coverage in any article or section I see. However, even with ʿaqd blue, I think this would be an implausible misspelling, so delete for any combination of unmentioned, REDYES, and implausible. N.B.: This was an article for less than 5 hours in 2009; it would stand a snowball's chance in Hell of surviving AfD, so I think restoring would be needlessly bureaucratic. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 08:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 21:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:50, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as an implausible error. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The position of the quote was an error. how about moving this without redirect to 'aqd and retarget to the AQD dab where you had added the red-linked entry aqd?  Jay  💬 09:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * aqd would be unambiguous, but should stay red per WP:REDYES, as an article could be written at either Aqd or Contracts in Islamic law. (If I'm reading MOS:ARABIC correctly, Aqd is preferable to ʿaqd, and aqd is simply a typo / ASCII-only rendering of the latter.) --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 09:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The DAB entry you added is ʿaqd al-qirān. And we have 'Aqd al-qiran and ʿAqd al-qirān alongwith the accent-less Aqd al-qiran. Would the same MOS apply for them? Jay  💬 11:30, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The specific question here would be should potential redirects such as ʿaqd also be a redlink per WP:REDYES if there is a possibility to redirect to a DAB with a redlink? Jay  💬 12:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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Logical fallacy/Ad Hominem
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Legoktm (talk) 00:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Ad Hominem">Logical fallacy/Ad Hominem → Ad hominem (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Ad hominem">Logical fallacy/Ad hominem → Ad hominem (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Ad hominem tu quoque">Logical fallacy/Ad hominem tu quoque → Tu quoque (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Appeal to Authority">Logical fallacy/Appeal to Authority → Argument from authority (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Appeal to authority">Logical fallacy/Appeal to authority → Argument from authority (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Appeal to popularity">Logical fallacy/Appeal to popularity → Argumentum ad populum (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Bandwagon">Logical fallacy/Bandwagon → Argumentum ad populum (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Begging the question">Logical fallacy/Begging the question → Begging the question (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Biased sample">Logical fallacy/Biased sample → Sampling bias (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Correlation does not imply causation">Logical fallacy/Correlation does not imply causation → Correlation does not imply causation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Correlation implies causation">Logical fallacy/Correlation implies causation → Correlation does not imply causation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Equivocation">Logical fallacy/Equivocation → Equivocation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/False dilemma">Logical fallacy/False dilemma → False dilemma (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Gamblers fallacy">Logical fallacy/Gamblers fallacy → Gambler's fallacy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Ignoratio elenchi">Logical fallacy/Ignoratio elenchi → Irrelevant conclusion (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Lack of imagination">Logical fallacy/Lack of imagination → Argument from ignorance (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/No true Scotsman">Logical fallacy/No true Scotsman → No true Scotsman (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Post hoc">Logical fallacy/Post hoc → Post hoc ergo propter hoc (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Reification">Logical fallacy/Reification → Reification (fallacy) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Relativist Fallacy">Logical fallacy/Relativist Fallacy → Relativist fallacy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Slippery slope">Logical fallacy/Slippery slope → Slippery slope (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Logical fallacy/Straw Man">Logical fallacy/Straw Man → Straw man (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These redirects are almost all created at a time when mainspace subpages were more common. Delete due to them being unconvensional search formats. Readers can go to List of fallacies to see even more fallacies. See also Article_titles, though that only applies to articles, not redirects. lol1 VNIO ( I made a mistake?  talk to me ) 21:33, 3 October 2022 (UTC); edited 21:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per these are very old (over 20 years in some cases) and deletion will offer no benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 21:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom since I'm not a proponent of WP:RFD at all and do not believe their existences are useful enough to warrant erroneously-titled redirects (since redirects are meant to be search terms for Wikipedia) ... but alas, I already predict this is going to close as "keep" especially since so many redirects were nominated. Steel1943  (talk) 22:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Being search terms is only one function of redirects, and maintaining links from external sites is an equally important (if not arguably more important) reason for redirects to exist. Thryduulf (talk) 23:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We're going to have to agree to disagree here (like usual on this subject matter) since I do not believe that Wikipedia should cater to third-party web sites at the expense of having oddly-titled redirects that are unhelpful as search terms (especially considering the WP:XY issues with these redirects) ... so I'd rather just state the obvious, frequent result unless WP:RFD gets revoked somehow (which I would like, but it is what it is). Steel1943  (talk) 02:06, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf. And old revisions of article like Special:Permalink/14254 has incoming links to above redirects (even within the prose), and that is within Wikipedia itself. There would be hundreds of thousands of such old revisions across the many Wikipedia. We should preserve redirects, avoid redlinks internally and externally as far as possible, unless the said redirects are in conflict with multiple targets or are absolutely detrimental to the experience of the Wikipedia reader. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 12:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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Seedrians
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 10%23Seedrians

Dark sonic
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion .  ✗  plicit  23:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Dark sonic → Sonic X (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A minor transformation that sonic goes through in Sonic X. Not mentioned in article and possibly WP:ANIMECRUFT. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 21:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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Narnia lewis
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Narnia lewis → Narnia (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A relatively old, but rarely used, redirect that is not a likely Search term. Just "Narnia" would get you what you wanted. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per nom. I suppose theoretically this could be a search term for C.S. Lewis, but it doesn't seem too likely. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:47, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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Narang (Southern Punjab)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Incorrect titles, per nomination  Firsfron of Ronchester  22:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Narang (Southern Punjab)">Narang (Southern Punjab) → Nārang (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Nārang, Gujranwala">Nārang, Gujranwala → Nārang (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neither of the places in Pakistan listed on the disambiguation page are in Northern Southern Punjab or in Gujranwala. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete both as misleading. I guess Narang Mandi is near Gujranwala, but it's in another district.  Neither Narang is in Southern (sic) Punjab.  — <span style="border:1px solid #93010b;background:#ef0000;padding:2px;color:#efe6e6;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family: Georgia;"> AjaxSmack  22:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Also, @Shhhnotsoloud, you meant "...are in Southern Punjab." I guess? &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 12:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Good spot, sorry. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara (film)
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 * The result of the discussion was procedural close  . Nomination was malformed and no reply from the nominator to questions. Legoktm (talk) 00:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara (film)">The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara (film) → Steven Spielberg filmography (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Draft:Untitled animated Spice Girls film → Witchblade (upcoming TV series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I would like the redirects for The Kidnapping of Edgardo (film) and Draft:Untitled animated Spice Girls film retargeted for the following reasons. First, The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara was announced to be moving forward without Steven Spielberg. Second, the target article for the draft about the upcoming animated film about the Spice Girls is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.209.40.250 (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Notified nominator of questions about nomination, so relisting to see if those are answered. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 20:52, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Fixed nomination since it was slightly malformed, and also tagged both redirects included in this nomination. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: It is unclear where these redirects should be retargeted. It is also unclear why these redirects are bundled. Steel1943  (talk) 22:17, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Chocolate pie
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 10%23Chocolate pie

Nelson Thorndyke
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 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion .  ✗  plicit  23:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Nelson Thorndyke → Sonic X (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A minor character from Sonic X with only one mention in the entire article and that mention doesn’t describe the character. There are also no reliable sources that mention this character. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 19:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * NOTE: if we do delete this redirect then we should probably delete the character's mention at Nelson. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 19:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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Football (elliptical)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 10%23Football (elliptical)

Golf technology
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Golf technology → Golf (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Development of Golf Technology → Golf (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There's no mention of "technology" anywhere in the target article, leaving it unclear what these redirects are meant to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 17:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Aside from their being no mention in the current target, the term "golf technology" is ambiguous and could refer to anything from playing equipment, to electronic devices (e.g. GPS), to training gadgets, etc. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:07, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per above. A WP:BLAR of an unsuitable article from 2005. Nigej (talk) 07:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 12:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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Plessie
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Super Mario. There is a clear consensus that the current target is bad but no consensus for deletion, hence retargeting. Legoktm (talk) 05:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Plessie → Characters in the Mario franchise (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not in article plus there is a lot of plausible targets. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 15:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete....no mention. Would be open to recreating redirect if someone is able to find a reliable source proving the character's relative notability and add the character back in. InvadingInvader (talk) 18:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 16:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Super Mario or alternatively, one of the individual game articles. Also fine with disambiguating from other Plessies but any of these scenarios is better for the searching audience than deletion. czar  07:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable character that isn't referenced in the list being redirected to, so a pretty worthless (potentially confusing) redirect.  Satellizer el Bridget <sup style="color:magenta;">(Talk)  14:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. If we have no mention, we have no mention. No point in redirecting a reader to an article which doesn't mention the term, especially if they are trying to find information about it. Steel1943  (talk) 18:04, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. If it's not notable enough to have its own subsection (which is the case even in the Super Mario article it's mentioned in), it doesn't need a redirect.  WP scatter  t/c 19:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Super Mario, per CZAR. The current redirect doesn't make sense, but the proposed one does, and nominator did not give any of the "lots of plausible targets".
 * DecafPotato (talk) 01:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Bowser's Fury
 * List of Patlabor episodes
 * Super Mario 3D World
 * and perhaps Jan Spies and 5 Wits. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 12:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget per Czar. Super Mario#Ridable animals and vehicles is better than all the alternate targets suggested by nom. Jay  💬 14:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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1.19.84
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . As noted, the term is now included in the article. This also means the "very obscure synonym" criteria  for deletion no longer applies, because it specifies "...that is not mentioned in the target". Legoktm (talk) 00:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * 1.19.84 → Minecraft (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 14:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 16:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added a mention. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 14:12, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment my first thought was that this referred to 19 January 1984 in US date format, but there is no mention of 19 January in the 1984 article and while 1984 does occur in the 19 January article, it is only in reference to the birth of four sports people (football, ice hockey, motor racing) and the death of a fifth (ice hockey), none of which would make a suitable target. Thryduulf (talk) 15:24, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not every term has to be included in the article, but those who have heard of the term or are familiar with the term; see movie quotes as an example. The VICE source cited in the article uses the term (link to such source is here), and multiple other RS's which aren't directly included in the article mention the term (see ArsTechnica (not to be confused with another ArsTechnica article currently cited in the target section), GamesHub, and GameRant). This should be sufficient proof to keep a redirect. InvadingInvader (talk) 17:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I will emphasize, since the last two comments seem to imply there is currently no mention, that I have reädded a mention, sourced to Vice. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 18:40, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that a "Redirect rationale" template be created and added below RCATs to the various redirects, with reference, if appropriate, so that the redirect creator has some say even if they long left the encyclopedia at the time of RfD, and we have to brainstorm(not the word I was looking for, but whatever) a bit less. Helps when there is no mention at the target article. There are maybe 10-15 RfD regulars, and we don't have subject knowledge of everything in existence, so the result we end up with might not always be the ideal one. I, for example, have zero knowledge about Minecraft, Mario, etc. Glad that some of you do. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 12:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not clarifying this earlier, though I was the one who originally worked on this redirect. It was primarily in response to the ongoing comparisons at the time surrounding the Save Minecraft movement. InvadingInvader (talk) 05:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think the term is actually due for inclusion in the main article, as a relatively short-lived fad. I won't remove it for now, though. Regardless, I think the name meets the "very obscure synonym" requirement for deletion, as it's just a series of numbers that could mean almost anything. January 19, 1984? Ovinus (talk) 22:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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Glaucomflecken
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  with hatnote, as below. --BDD (talk) 15:46, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Glaucomflecken → Glaucoma (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I couldn't make up my mind where to target this redirect, so I created it just to bring it here (arbitrarily picking one of the two options for now). Either this should point to  as an + r from misspelling, or it should point to Dr. Glaucomflecken as an r from short name. On the one hand, WP:SMALLDETAILS would tend toward the latter, since the former is always(?) spelled with a k. On the other hand, Dr. Glaucomflecken's name is not generally abbreviated to just his fictional surname, so one could argue that someone searching just this word is more likely misspelling the glaucoma symptom. Thoughts? Again, the current target was an arbitrary choice, and for now I am undecided. -- Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 13:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 16:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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 * I guess I'll come down as weak keep with hatnote, to avoid this going to another relist if no one else !votes. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 11:24, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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KC3
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * KC3 → Charles III (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Primary results online are for a variety of non-notable businesses and organizations unrelated to the British monarchy. Delete unless evidence of predominant usage can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 16:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: I'm mostly getting results related to a vaccine for dogs and a concealed carry political pressure group. Nothing is showing it relating to King Charles III. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above – this may become more associated with Charles III, but right now it's a case of WP:NEO + WP:CRYSTAL. – QueenofBithynia (talk) 16:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Irrelevant. DrKay (talk) 18:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Contra DrKay this is not irrelevant, indeed it's an entirely logical search term for the target, however it is very ambiguous and there is no primary topic and no scope for a dab page. Thryduulf (talk) 19:58, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Why did anyone put it there? Redirects are not meant for holding possible abreviations, unless their use is widespread. Nxavar (talk) 11:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per all above. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 12:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete even from England no Google results are for the king.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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Sonic Adventure 2 The Trial
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 10%23Sonic Adventure 2 The Trial

Sausage digits
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 16:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Sausage digits → Dactylitis (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Numerous medical conditions may be colloquially referred to as sausage digits / sausage fingers; too vague to be helpful as a redirect. QueenofBithynia (talk) 14:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Everything Everywhere All at Once. MightyArms (talk) 20:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * By that logic, we may as well redirect to King Charles III as plenty has been written - and sold - referencing his "sausage fingers". QueenofBithynia (talk) 20:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep "Sausage digit" is an alternative term for the target, as mentioned in the lede. Would not be opposed to a DAB if evidence is shown this term refers to other conditions. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: In complete agreement with Presidentman. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 13:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as above, it's a synonym for the target and we don't have any good targets for it. I don't think Everything Everywhere All at Once actually referred to them as "sausage digits".  Hut 8.5  19:25, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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Egg Golem
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Egg Golem → Sonic Adventure 2 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A minor boss in Sonic Adventure 2. Not mentioned in article and no reliable sources to warrant a mention. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 14:39, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - trivial part of the redirect subject, unlikely search term. Sergecross73   msg me  14:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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Egg Quarters
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Egg Quarters → Sonic Adventure 2 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Only mentioned as a reference and nowhere else. Probably WP:GAMECRUFT to warrant a mention into the article. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 14:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - trivial part of the redirect subject, unlikely search term. Sergecross73   msg me  14:47, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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King Boom Boo
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 * The result of the discussion was delete.  --BDD (talk) 15:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * King Boom Boo → Sonic Adventure 2 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No longer mentioned in article and has no reliable sources to warrant a mention. Probably WP:GAMECRUFT to include a mention anyways. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 14:33, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - trivial part of the redirect subject, unlikely search term. Sergecross73   msg me  14:47, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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I hope she made lots of spaghetti
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 10%23I hope she made lots of spaghetti

Template:American Engilsh
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 9%23Template:American Engilsh

IPad Air 1
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to IPad Air (1st generation) per WP:JUSTDOIT. Also, Bassie f, please read the instructions for RFD as this is not the first time you have made a nomination without stating why you believe a redirect should be retargeted, but instead you incorrectly demand someone else retarget a redirect after a specific period of time (which is not how RFD ... or really Wikipedia, for that matter ... works. If you see an issue that can be fixed and isn't controversial ... WP:JUSTDOIT.) Feel free to contact me with questions or concerns. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 15:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * IPad Air 1 → IPad (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="IPad Air (2013)">IPad Air (2013) → IPad (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

iPad Air 1 refers to iPad Air (1st generation) so can someone please retarget the redirect iPad Air 1 to iPad Air (1st generation) as well as iPad Air (2013) in a day Bassie f (talk) 08:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * This will not happen in a day, RfDs generally run for a week and there is no reason why this would be any different. Thryduulf (talk) 11:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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Channel Three
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Channel 3. Please see WP:JUSTDOIT (non-admin closure) <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 17:52, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Channel Three → Channel 13 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect page should redirect to Channel 3 because Channel Three is the word form for Channel 3. Bassie f (talk) 01:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget per RfD. I don't think this needed to be an RfD at all, it's pretty clearly just a mistake.  WP scatter  t/c 02:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the creator made a mistake as well, I will edit the mentioned redirect page soon. Bassie f (talk) 02:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Will you please edit Channel Three in a few hours and mark this discussion as completed, WPScatter. Bassie f (talk) 02:27, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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The Silmarillion/Sindarin
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Mistapeo
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  05:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Mistapeo → Shamanism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target. Searching doesn't find an RS relating this to Shamanism, but more recently it's from Man and His Symbols <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 00:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete since it's not mentioned at the target and isn't a synonym.  Hut 8.5  07:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * Redirect redirect to Davis Inlet?--142.167.135.137 (talk) 22:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. I do not think a quote from a book about Labrador Naskapi Indians will be sufficient for a target. However, if there was a section on the beliefs of the Naskapi Indians which had a mention of Mistapeo, it would have been an apt target. Jay  💬 11:24, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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Azerbaijan dictator
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 10%23Azerbaijan dictator