Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 5

October 5
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 5, 2022.

Talk page stalking
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Talk page stalking → Wikipedia:Talk page stalker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Talk page stalkers → Wikipedia:Talk page stalker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Talk page stalk → Wikipedia:Talk page stalker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tp stalking → Wikipedia:Talk page stalker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * TP Stalker → Wikipedia:Talk page stalker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * TP Stalk → Wikipedia:TPS/banner (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:Cross-namespace redirects indicates that "the general consensus seems to be that most newly created cross-namespace redirects from the main (article) namespace to the Wikipedia (project) namespace should be deleted", and in this case I agree. I think a reader accidentally "falling through the cracks" onto the humour page would violate Principle of least astonishment. –xenotalk 23:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nomination. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 07:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all. The cross-namespace redirects to project space that get consensus to keep are (almost) all those which are helpful for very new users who we can't be certain understand namespaces yet. The concept of talk page stalkers is not one that falls into that category. Thryduulf (talk) 07:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per . Frankly, there's a speedy deletion criterion for this sort of thing, so WP:IAR keeping these sorts of things requires a very good reason. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 13:59, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Article to Wikipedia: redirects are explicitly excluded from the speedy deletion criterion (R2) so there is no IAR involved. Thryduulf (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all as unhelpful for newbies. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all: this is an unhelpful use of XNR. TartarTorte 16:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per above policies; I also feel this has just about reached the SNOW stage. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  20:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep:Well then. It seems that 'Delete all', is popular. I, as a newbie, actually felt these were helpful, but if not, then so be it. TY. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 21:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete these unnecessary cross-namespace redirects. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:25, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Sveringes
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Sveringes → Sweden (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This appears to be a misspelling of the genetive form of the Swedish name for Sweden (Sveriges). It's received only 2 views this year, which backs up Google results that this isn't a common spelling error. Thryduulf (talk) 21:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as implausible typo on English Wikipedia due to it being a typo of a Swedish word. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 07:50, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as implausible typo AND an implausible search term. After all, the correct spelling and even Sweden's are not a redirects. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  20:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Ballet Caravan
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was soft delete  . Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion .  ✗  plicit  00:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Ballet Caravan → New York City Ballet (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is misleading and needs to be deleted. Although Ballet Caravan and NYC Ballet were both founded by Lincoln Kirstein, they were neither related to each other nor was the latter a successor to the former. Ballet Caravan was disbanded in 1941; NYC Ballet was established in 1948. This fact is confirmed in various reputable sources, including this abstract from Dance Research Journal and NYC Ballet's entry on Kirstein. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Totaljerkface
 Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:45, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Totaljerkface → Happy Wheels (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't quite understand this redirect, apparently http://www.totaljerkface.com is a source used for some citations on this article but I don't see the relevance of the term "Totaljerkface" to this game enough that readers would be using it to try to find this article. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 21:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Totaljerkface.com is the only website where the game is officially hosted (i.e. the game's official website). The site is operated by the game's developer (Fancy Force) and Happy Wheels is one of only two games on it. It also serves as the developer's blog, including updates for the game. I'm not sure whether the redirect has encyclopedic value but, if kept, Happy Wheels is the only plausible target as neither Fancy Force nor the other game (Divine Intervention) is notable. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 21:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks IceWelder, I appreciate the explanation. That information should probably go into the article. I'll let this discussion run in case anyone thinks this is not a useful redirect to keep. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. The official website for this game is listed in the article, albeit in the external links section. If we want to add the link to the infobox, we could, but I don't think that its current absence from the infobox affects my decision. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 14:01, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Reflex Blue
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Reflex Blue → Blue (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a pantone color that was mentioned at blue but is not currently mentioned at blue other than a passing mention as the blue in the EU flag in a caption for the EU flag. There are a lot of other passing mentions of this color on wikipedia, but nothing that seems to actually describe the color. It seems like there should probably be a section added to Shades of blue called Reflex Blue, but it's not currently there. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete since the color is not mentioned at target, so no need for keeping. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 23:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Sonic 2K6
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Sonic 2K6

Sonic the Hedgehog (next-gen)
<span id="Sonic the Hedgehog (next-gen)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Sonic the Hedgehog (next-gen)

"##:00" redirects
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23"

Count Dooku's Clone
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Count Dooku's Clone → Count Dooku (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Count Dooku Clone → Count Dooku (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jard Dooku → Count Dooku (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. Page history has no significance. These never should have been made in the first place. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 17:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - a google search shows that this relates to a character featured only in fan fiction. Not mentioned at target and unhelpful. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  18:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Jard Dooku (a character existing only on a Star Wars fanfiction wiki, whose redirect's history consists mainly of redirecting and re-redirecting), and slightly weak delete the other two per nom and El cid. Their supposed character, from whom Jard could possibly be a separate character, had an article created in June 2005 that would be merged to List of Star Wars Separatist characters on March 3 the next year (see its most developed version here), before he was removed December 10 and that would be retargeted in October 2008. Count Dooku's Clone has some history that might be worth preserving, but a lot of it is what appears to be some fans' (and supposedly historians') "[Dooku]'s just hiding [until Luke Skywalker or another Jedi from the New Order tracked him down and killed him]" theories, a claim that's pretty questionable. On a side note,, who targeted the non-Jard ones to their current target, might want to weigh in as well regarding these histories. Regards, SONIC 678 06:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Highway construction
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . Eh, whatever. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 15:24, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Highway construction → Road (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I was about to WP:BOLDly retarget this to Highway since whatever about the subject of this redirect which needs to be found can probably be found at Highway, but ... I apparently forgot that I nominated this redirect for RFD in 2018, which resulted in this redirect's current target per consensus. So ... proposing retarget to Highway. Steel1943 (talk) 17:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as there is nothing in the Highway article about construction, but the current target deals with the construction of roads of all types. Thryduulf (talk) 20:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The current target is the most logical one given this section covers the relevant content. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf - Four years and still no reason given to change the target? "whatever about the subject of this redirect which needs to be found can probably be found at Highway" - well can it be found there or not? There is nothing about highway construction at Highway, meanwhile the current target is a section about road construction, so seems the most helpful to someone searching this. A7V2 (talk) 09:35, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Roads and Highways
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Roads and Highways

Fredericus 2.0
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Fredericus 2.0 → 2022 Ukrainian Kharkiv counteroffensive (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There's some usage of this term on social media, but it's not mentioned at the target and I can't find any usage in RS. Given that the original Operation Fredericus was a German campaign in WWII, I think it's a stretch to create this redirect in the absence of RS usage. signed,Rosguill talk 16:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete due to absence of usage on reliable sources. Nicola Romani (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Queen's speech
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Queen's speech → Speech from the throne (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Queen's Speech → Speech from the throne (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't see why these two are unambiguous if King's speech and  aren't. The first four entries at the DAB are all ambiguous under a queen as well. I would suggest we 'retarget to King's speech; would also be open to the converse move, moving King's speech to ' and retargeting the two king titles to Speech from the throne''. If anyone's interested in doing it that way, please tag King's Speech and leave a note at Talk:King's speech. (Stray thought, probably best answered at WT:RfD: Should there be a "This DAB is implicated by an ongoing RfD" template?) --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 14:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 19:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget as proposed. This seems to be the best solution to me. I don't think changing the DAB page would be useful, and there would be a plausible argument that the film would actually be the primary topic here rather than the actual speech. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with the retargetting, given the recent change in the office-holder this mostly refers to. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the film is the primary topic, but i think it's what makes it be a disambiguation page rather than a hatnote. Morwen (talk) 16:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think the primary topic is Speech from the throne, usually referring specifically to the British government's forthcoming legislative agenda: "It was in the Queen's speech..." etc. I suspect the reason that Speech from the throne is not the primary topic for King's Speech is the film. I actually disagree that King's speech (lower case) should be the title of the disambiguation page: the primary topic for that capitalisation ought to be Speech from the throne. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 15:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with Shhhnotsoloud that the speech from the throne is the primary topic for this search term in both capitalisations. This implies nothing about the primary topic for different search terms such as King's Speech (about which I don't currently have an opinion, other than there is no reason it has to be the same as these). Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Shhhnotsoloud - I agree that Speech from the throne is the primary topic, and it probably would be for King's speech as well if it wasn't for the 2010 film.  Hut 8.5  11:40, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with the above analysis that the WP:PTOPIC for "Queen's Speech" is indeed Speech from the Throne. With respect to "King's Speech", this is not so due to the 2010 blockbuster film being titled "The King's Speech" blocking anything from being the true primary topic. As the thrust of the nominator's argument relies upon an incorrect pure assumption that what is true of the male gendered term must imply that the same thing is true about the female gendered term, I see no persuasive reason to retarget the redirect. As such, keeping the redirect makes the most sense to me. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 19:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Channel Ten Australia
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Channel Ten Australia

Sydney's TVS
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 12:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Sydney's TVS → Television Sydney (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Deletion under WP:RFD (1) and (2). – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 10:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:29, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. This is not a usual disambiguation format but it is both plausible and unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 12:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * KEEP This is plausible. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 19:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * If you search Sydney’s TVS on YouTube you will find this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aPZ62aotOI featuring Television Sydney. So I would keep this redirect as it is. Bassie f (talk) 22:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

SBS Mobile24
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 11:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * SBS Mobile24 → SBS TV (South Korean TV channel) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Same as the other SBS Mobile24 discussion Bassie f (talk) 08:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Update: I’ve notified about this discussion at the target article’s talk page. Bassie f (talk) 08:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Rectangular controller
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Rectangular controller

Wing grip controller
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Wing grip controller

Saturn digital gamepad
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Saturn digital gamepad

Dog bone controller
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Nintendo Entertainment System.  Jay  💬 11:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Dog bone controller → Game controller (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The phrase "dog bone" is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what this redirect is meant to refer and leaving readers attempting to find information about the subject of the redirect with finding nothing. (However, it seems the redirect is a R with history that was an article for 6 months in 2005 prior to being WP:BLARed.) Steel1943  (talk) 06:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * RETARGET to Nintendo Entertainment System models where it is mentioned. This “Dogbone Controller” is actually an officially upgraded NES controller in the style of the SNES Controller. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 12:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Or RETARGET to Nintendo Entertainment System where it is also mentioned. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 12:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Nintendo Entertainment System where it is mentioned with a picture of said controller -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Nintendo Entertainment System. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:25, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Sonic speed
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Speed of sound.  Jay  💬 11:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Sonic speed → Supersonic speed (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Given that sonic speed is literally the speed at which sound travels, I propose that this be retargeted to speed of sound. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget as per nom.  WP scatter  t/c 06:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * (Creator of redirect)Retarget per nom. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 12:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Retarget per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Speed of sound. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:28, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Left button & Right button
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 11:05, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Left button → Pointing device (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Right button → Pointing device (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The concepts are not exclusive to their target, nor are the concepts exclusive to Computer mouse. (If the redirects were named "Left/Right mouse button", then they would be exclusive to Computer mouse.) There are many things that have a "left button" or a "right button" ... not just devices, but even clothes. Steel1943 (talk) 06:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - seems far too ambiguous to be useful. A7V2 (talk) 09:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as ambiguous and likely to cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Video screen
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Video screen

Primate research
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Primatology.  Jay  💬 10:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Primate research → Animal testing on non-human primates (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The article Primatology is on the study of primates, while the current redirect target is about a specific type of testing that is performed on primates. I think that this term better redirects to the more general article on the study of primates, so I propose that this be retargeted to primatology. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:43, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. A hatnote can be added to the current target if desired. Thryduulf (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:48, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per the above. I think that a hatnote should definitely be added though as this seems a plausible search term for it even if not the most likely thing a would-be searcher is looking for. A7V2 (talk) 09:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above, with hatnote to current target. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  20:46, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Bush Dick Affair
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  per WP:CSD.  ✗  plicit  01:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

The term "Bush Dick affair" appears nowhere in the target article. This also seems like an implausible search term for the target article, so I propose that this be deleted as such. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Bush Dick Affair → Presidency of George W. Bush (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Bush Dick Happening → Presidency of George W. Bush (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Delete per Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 15 (although they have different creators so this may or may not also be vandalism). Thryduulf (talk) 10:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I was unaware of that discussion before nominating this. Thank you for bringing this up and for adding the second redirect to this RfD. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note I've added Bush Dick Happening to this discussion, that was created by a third different editor. Thryduulf (talk) 10:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC) After a brief investigation I'm certain the creators of the two redirects nominated here are the same editor and may be the same editor who created the redirect nominated in July, see Sockpuppet investigations/StrexcorpEmployee. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete both as neither term is mentioned in the target article and neither appears to to be a legitimate, let alone useful redirect title. Drdpw (talk) 12:01, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


 * DELETE or possibly Speed Delete per WP:G3 as vandalism or WP:G5 if the users get banned as sockpuppets. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 19:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Tagged both as WP:G3 <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 00:23, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Archived discussion at Sockpuppet investigations/Heres The Dealio/Archive <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 00:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Golden liquid
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . CSD G7 Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Golden liquid → Urine (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There are many golden liquids and the term "golden liquid" is not mentioned at the target article. I'm honestly not sure that urine is the WP:PTOPIC for the topic "golden liquid'", so it might be better to dabify this or delete this outright if a dab is not going to be useful navigationally. — <span style="background: linear-gradient(#990000,#660000)"> Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Lager was my first thought, but searches here and at google show there is nothing even remotely resembling a primary topic and a list of gold-coloured liquids would be indiscriminate. Thryduulf (talk) 10:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Draft:Moonu nombu
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Draft:Moonu nombu

Private Meeting
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Private Meeting

English-language given names
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget and delete.

The target is 1) in Project space and 2) contains less than a dozen names. I don't find this particularly useful. I don't see a better category. A list of given names is not very encyclopedic and can be found at other websites. Delete. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 02:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget English-language given names to English name
 * Delete List of French language given names Legoktm (talk) 02:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * English-language given names → Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Appendix:List of English given names (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of French language given names → Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Appendix:List of French given names (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Added French also, where the target is an empty list. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 03:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 05:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 'Retarget to English name and French name respectively and add links there to Wiktionary which has a category and appendix for both languages (wikt:Category:English given names, wikt:Category:French given names, wikt:Appendix:English given names, wikt:Appendix:French given names), I'm not sure which would make the better target for the link. Thryduulf (talk) 08:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I modified one of the interwiki links in your comment, as it had a typo and was a redlink. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 09:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Either delete or soft redirect to the wiktionary pages mentioned above. I don't think English name and French name are great targets because they aren't lists and don't include many names.  Hut 8.5  18:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Either delete or retarget to English name & French name respectively and add links to Wiktionary per Thryduulf. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 09:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget English-language given names to English name (or even without the section) since it is exactly as described (and there are sort of lists of male and female names in the collapsed lists of translations of the names into other languages). No firm opinion for the French list one, but leaning delete. A7V2 (talk) 09:50, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget English-language given names to English name. Delete List of French language given names since Enwiki has no list. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:39, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Wikipedia:WikiFox
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11%23Wikipedia:WikiFox

The fair share sequence
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11%23The fair share sequence

Unannounced Olympiads
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23Unannounced Olympiads

List of tallest buildings in Burlington, Vermont
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12%23List of tallest buildings in Burlington, Vermont

SBS Mobile 24
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 11:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * SBS Mobile 24 → SBS TV (South Korean TV channel) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * SBS MOBILE 24 → SBS TV (South Korean TV channel) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * SBS MOBILE24 → SBS TV (South Korean TV channel) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don’t know why this redirect page exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassie f (talk • contribs) 21:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I've notified about this discussion at the target article's talkpage. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And not mentioned in target article. Bassie f (talk) 23:41, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as not mentioned in target article. Bassie f (talk) 22:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Listed SBS Mobile24 as well. It had been tagged for RfD but was not listed here. This does not require another relist. Jay  💬 12:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I removed it from here as it had a separate RfD at the Oct 5 page: WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 5. Jay  💬 02:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.