Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 15

September 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 15, 2022.

Pharl McQuarrie
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Ralph McQuarrie. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 07:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Pharl McQuarrie → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No longer listed at target page as part of paring down non-notable characters. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 23:40, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ralph McQuarrie who played the character. Also, the character's name is a play on his name. Jay  💬 18:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ralph McQuarrie, where the character is mentioned. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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Lizzie McGuire (upcoming TV series)
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  .  Jay  💬 17:56, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Lizzie McGuire (upcoming TV series) → Lizzie McGuire (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per the target article, this subject is no longer upcoming but rather is canceled. Thus, the disambiguation is inaccurate to a point where it is no longer helpful. Steel1943 (talk) 20:39, 1 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 21:16, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep – still gets views, so it's useful to someone. The views may be coming from incoming external links. The current target is appropriate as it explains that the series, which was at one time said to be upcoming, is now canceled. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 08:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mx Granger. Thryduulf (talk) 22:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete This series is not upcoming. "Once upcoming, but now canceled" means it's no longer upcoming. So this redirect is incorrect and misleading to readers. Page views are irrelevant here. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:41, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The redirect is not misleading any more than any other or  is. The target article explicitly explains that there is no upcoming film, so the people using this are being educated that they are incorrect, which is much better than having them incorrectly assuming we just don't have any content. Page views are absolutely relevant to this type of redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Not upcoming, but it was never realized and is a far less plausible, even if more accurate search term. I think that this is a useful redirect given that there is a Lizzie McGuire series that came out 20 years ago, so this helps target people to the cancelled reboot. TartarTorte 12:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mx Granger. If it's being used, and there are no other valid target articles, redirects are cheap enough to keep this one around. I'm unconvinced by "inaccurate" arguments, as useful redirects are frequently inaccurate in some way. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment There's a proposal for a new speedy deletion criterion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion which apply to these kinds of redirects. Input is welcome, thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, not upcoming. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete, misleading. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 12:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Reich Chamber of Culture & Music
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Reich Chamber of Culture & Music">Reich Chamber of Culture & Music → Volksgemeinschaft (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Has a backlink and probably refers to the Reich Chamber of Culture (which had a subdivision named Reich Chamber of Music), but despite this having a backlink, I can't find either of this title and "Reich Chamber of Culture and Music" anywhere online. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:05, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Eurasian bullfinchs
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 13:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Eurasian bullfinchs → Eurasian bullfinch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Incorrect plural. Eurasian bullfinches could be created, if a redirect from a plural is thought necessary. William Avery (talk) 13:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:07, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirects from plural are only useful if they're either a correct plural (which this is not), or a widespread mistake (which this is also not). AddWitty  NameHere  16:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - I can't see how adding an "s" is not a plausible mistake to make. Clearly someone searching this would be taken to what they were looking for. A7V2 (talk) 00:52, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: It's an improper plural, but only off by one letter and I don't think it's an incredibly implausible letter to miss. I wouldn't necessarily advocate creating a redirect for every -ches plural to have a -chs misspelled redirect, but this is pretty cheap, unambiguous, and not terribly implausible. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a good example of a plausible and harmless misspelling of the sort we shouldn't routinely create but also shouldn't delete if they are created. Where they do exist, creating the proper plural is probably not a bad idea. Thryduulf (talk) 23:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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New York railway station
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23New York railway station

Dighi
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Dighi → Prarthana Fardin Dighi (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Dighi is a name of special kind of pond. The page redirect to Prarthana Fardin Dighi, bangladeshi actress. The two are not same. One is about man and another is water container. -- Noman ☆ (Talk) 15:24, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. "Dighi" is not the name in English of special kind of pond (or at least not as recorded by Wikt) and the the current target article does say "(popularly known as Dighi)". Shhhnotsoloud: (talk) 21:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment the term "dighi" is used in Bangladeshi English. I have created wikt:dighi and cited some books and newspapers there showing usage in English. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 08:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Shhhnotsoloud she may be khown as "Dighi". But the word actually used for a man-made pond in Bangla.-- Noman ☆ (Talk) 14:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * Comment Most Google News hits for "Dighi" are not about the actress . English Wikipedia has almost no coverage of the other topics that appear prominently in Google News (the neighbourhood of Pune or the port in Agardanda). Similarly I can't find a WP:DABMENTION-compliant target for the "pond" meaning. However, WP:PRIMARYRED may apply here (When a disambiguation page lists only one existing article by that name (all other suggested articles are red-linked), the normal rules for primary topic still apply. The existing article is not automatically the primary topic.) The actress certainly doesn't win on the long-term significance criterion of WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY: all her awards are from childhood and there is not a great deal of recent coverage about her 61.239.39.90 (talk) 08:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:03, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Dighi (disambiguation). I don't think the actress is the primary topic, and I'd support a move of the dab page to the base name. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:04, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That would be WP:MALPLACED. You need a move (WP:RM) of Dighi (disambiguation) to Dighi. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Procedural Keep - this should ultimately be a move discussion for Dighi (disambiguation). If the actress is not the primary topic, then the DAB page should be moved to Dighi. As it stands, the actress is recognized as the primary topic and the redirect is correct. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  19:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedural Keep: Per El Cid. If the result is to have go to Dighi (disambiguation) as there is no PT, then it really should have the two swapped in name which would be a move request. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep per El Cid. There doesn't appear to be a primary topic here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, the type of pond does not have coverage on Wikipedia so that is not a competing usage. This is explicitly not a procedural keep, primary topics can be determined at RFD should there be consensus for it. If the nominator was actually wanting the disambiguation moved, then it should have been kicked to RM, but the discussion is way too mature to be asking for a procedural close after a second relist. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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Philadelphia railway station
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23Philadelphia railway station

Philadelphia Commuter Rail (New Jersey)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23Philadelphia Commuter Rail (New Jersey)

Black K
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23Black K

Mon Mothma (Charakter)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Mon Mothma (Charakter)">Mon Mothma (Charakter) → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Completely useless redirect with a completely unlikely typo. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 17:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete agreed, a redirect for a typo should be removed per WP:RPURPOSE Dobble stein 🎲 🎲 talk 22:21, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Shae Vizla
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Shae Vizla → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not listed at target page. Delete accordingly. TNstingray (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Esiken
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Esiken → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Most likely falls under G1, patent nonsense, as I can't find anything about this concept in the context of Star Wars, even Wookiepedia, which is saying something. TNstingray (talk) 17:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find that this is the name of any notable concept, Star Wars-related or not. Talk:Sifo-Dyas has a post from 2006 saying that there was at that time at least one unreliable source claiming this was the characters' homeworld, and I too can find instances of that same sentence. Given this I don't think it's patent nonsense, but it's definitely not notable. Thryduulf (talk) 17:49, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Verónica Segura
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23Verónica Segura

List of imperial characters
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * List of imperial characters → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Too generic of a title to only refer to Star Wars (lowercase "imperial" could refer to many different things). Delete due to ambiguity. TNstingray (talk) 17:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, far too vague to be a useful redirect - many different works have many different characters from many different empires. Thryduulf (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as extremely ambiguous. Even if Imperial were capitalized, it could still refer to any empire from the countless media franchises that include them. "Character" even describes real historical figures sometimes, adding an additional can to this barrel of worms. Glades12 (talk) 19:33, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as too vague to target anywhere. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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Insider attack
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23Insider attack

File:Winterlink Group.png
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Sly Moore (Star Wars minor characters)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23Sly Moore (Star Wars minor characters)

Yané
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 * The result of the discussion was delete, disambiguate, and retarget  . Despite the variety of bolded !vote statements, editors appear to have come to agreement on how to address the three redirects listed. signed,Rosguill talk 21:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Yané">Yané → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Yane → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Motté">Motté → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nowhere listed at target page. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 13:38, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment "Yane" is the first name of at least three notable people (Yane Marques, Yane Sandanski, Yane Yanev and Yane Bugnard); Gustavo Juan Scillato-Yané named at least three taxa but doesn't apparently have an article. Thryduulf (talk) 14:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget Motté to Alfred Motté as a . Thryduulf (talk) 14:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate Yane (with a redirect from Yané), the character doesn't seem to be mentioned at the target. As Thryduulf mentioned, there are a few Yane articles on Wikipedia, so I had a go at making a disambig page for them (User:DirkJandeGeer/Articles/Yane). People are more than welcome to edit that page if there are more articles or if it needs improvement. – DirkJandeGeer <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(5deg);middle:-.57em;">щи 15:36, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate to DirkJandeGeer's draft per above. Link to Star Wars character can be added if content about him is written. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  16:58, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget Motté to Alfred Motté per above, and add hatnote to page linking to Motte (surname) ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  17:29, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Agree with most of the above suggestions, but delete Yané since I don't see any of the people on the proposed DAB being named with the accent. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget Yane and Motté as proposed above. Delete Yané per Pppery. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm happy for Yané to get deleted per Pppery – DirkJandeGeer <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(5deg);middle:-.57em;">щи 08:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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List of Star Wars villians
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23List of Star Wars villians

Chief Bast
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 21:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Chief Bast → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nowhere listed at target page. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 13:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Sovereign Protectors
<span id="Emperors Royal Guard (Star Wars)"> Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23Sovereign Protectors

List of Yuuzhan Vong
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of Star Wars Legends characters. signed,Rosguill talk 21:15, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * List of Yuuzhan Vong → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Named Yuuzhan Vong → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of named Yuuzhan Vong → List of Star Wars characters (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Twinkle failed to add this, but the subject matter is not discussed at the target page. Delete or retarget to List of Star Wars Legends characters. TNstingray (talk) 13:27, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to List of Star Wars Legends characters, which refers to a bunch of characters as "Yuzhan Vong". Would also be okay with deletion, as no list organized in that way is present there. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Käpt'n Blaubärs verrückte Schatzsuche
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23Käpt'n Blaubärs verrückte Schatzsuche

Valimar
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 22%23Valimar

Xbox Two
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Xbox. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Xbox Two → Xbox 360 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should this page be returned to its longstanding target Xbox Series X and Series S, or kept because the 360 was called Xbox 2 in development? –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:58, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Xbox, Xbox 2 currently redirects there and it might be the best target if "Xbox Two" is ambiguous. – DirkJandeGeer <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(5deg);middle:-.57em;">щи 09:33, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Xbox per DirkJandeGeer. Thryduulf (talk) 09:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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MTV Presents: The Next Generation Xbox Revealed
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Xbox 360 launch. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * MTV Presents: The Next Generation Xbox Revealed → Xbox 360 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in article –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Xbox 360 launch where there is a section on this programme. Thryduulf (talk) 09:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf. Makes sense to preserve since we do have some discussion of the program. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  13:28, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Sa'fora
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:10, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Sa'fora → Gor (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 08:17, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia that I've found. Thryduulf (talk) 09:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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NA-12 (Battagram)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="NA-12 (Battagram)">NA-12 (Battagram) → NA-13 (Battagram) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

seems to have been a numbering mistake -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Former name (recently too) clearly explained in the article. That said, these constituancies have strange names, and NA-12 is for example a redlink, but I don't know if these should be created as redirects or disambiguation pages since the part in brackets appears to actually be part of the name. A7V2 (talk) 07:00, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep Don't know how i missed that it was the former name. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:03, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Mamonino
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . Without prejudice to swapping the article's title per below. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Mamonino → Ayaz İle (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

not mentioned in target article -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually, the name of the article must be Mamonino, because this is the most common name of the settlement. It is not mentioned in the article because the article author is only here to promote his fringe Tatar Latin names, contrary to our policies. They have been warned multiple times about this. Once the nomination is closed, I will move and edit the article. Ymblanter (talk) 06:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment It's the Russian name of the village . It seems the creator made redirects for the Russian names of lots of places in Tatarstan (e.g. or ) but then didn't mention the Russian names at the target articles, so there's a lot of articles which will need some attention. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 06:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am slowly cleaning up this mess (example). Ymblanter (talk) 07:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep without prejudice to swapping per Ymblanter. Thryduulf (talk) 09:49, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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Fake abortion clinic
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . The term is now documented in the target article. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 13:08, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Fake abortion clinic → Crisis pregnancy center (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unsourced and non-neutral, perhaps even a calculated attack phrasing. Phrase not found in target article. Elizium23 (talk) 03:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:21, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, and trout the nom for the assumption of bad faith. Non-neutrality is not a sufficient reason for deleting a redirect, and redirects do . Yes, the term is not mentioned at the target article, but this is still a somewhat common alt name for CPCs. See coverage in Vice, Wonkette, or The Nation. Others, including the Centre for Countering Hate (covered in Fortune) tend to just use "fake clinic" and make it clear in contextual prose that they're referring to purported access to abortion as the "fake" part. It is unlikely that readers searching for this term would be seeking out any other articles; if I'm wrong about this, I'm likely to change my !vote to dabify. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:30, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's drop "Wonkette" which is a prima facie unreliable source; Vice and The Nation articles appear to be opinion pieces and not suitable WP:RS. Elizium23 (talk) 03:33, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not proposing anything that requires a reliable source here. The test is just "is this a term people use" and "what are people looking for when they use this term". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:37, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The article itself states the following: "While CPCs often look like abortion clinics and are intentionally located near them,[2][27] most are not legally licensed as medical clinics and do not offer medical services."... "CPCs have been criticized for misleading advertising, for the dissemination of inaccurate medical information, for religious proselytism, and for subjecting clients to graphic videos". This term is also widely used in casual phrasing for describing such places, as pointed out in the previous comment by Firefangledfeathers.--AirportExpert (talk) 04:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)AirportExpert
 * Keep - It is well known and sourced in many sources I've seen that CPC's INTENTIONALLY try to appear to be abortion clinics to deceive women into visiting them in order to steer the women out of having an abortion. A "fake abortion clinic" is exactly what they try to be.  They have fought against laws which would require them to disclose that they DON'T provide abortions.--- Avatar317 (talk) 04:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep the removal of this redirect is clearly an attempt to push POV --Shadybabs (talk) 10:33, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per FFF and Avatar. signed,Rosguill talk 14:30, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: This is a term commonly used to refer to CPCs and refers to them rather unambiguously. Redirects need not be neutral and the guidelines specifically say if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. As shown above by FFF this is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources. Even the use in opinion pieces does not show a lack of establishment of the term. Publishing such a term in a mainstream outlet, even if considered opinion section, gives it widespread enough usage to be kept. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:07, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, mark as non-neutral See the redirect note we've had on Pro-abortion. It's a term used only on one side of the debate, used with enough frequency to keep it as a redirect, but should be marked as to avoid accusations of POV-pushing (it was over-the-top having it at the top of the article). ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * 100% appropriate tag. Good move. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have nothing against non-neutral redirects, but they need to be sourced at the target along with discussion about its non-neutrality. This is important to attest usage, to help with verification, and to explain the term for those confused why they ended up where they did. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete. If Crisis pregnancy centers are known as "Fake abortion clinics" then put it in the article (unlikely, see above comments). If it's not in the article, then delete as confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:08, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I see it as a very unlikely search term. Even if they are considered fake abortion clinics, it's unlikely that anyone would call them that. We don't have redirects for every description of every subject, and I think that this redirect is ultimately just that - a description. Even AGF it's hard to see why this needed to be created. There is a total of 43 pageviews the past three months... if this was a needed redirect, the numbers would be much higher, especially at a time when abortion rights are at the front of everyone's attention.  ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  13:27, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Contrary to the above, this is a common way of referring to them/describing them, often through similar language. It's widely used in the press and the focus of articles like this (perhaps before the term "CPC" became standardized). No strong opinion about tagging it as non-neutral. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 19:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. The correct way to go about including this term in Wikipedia is to get consensus among editors of the target article to discuss this term there, write sourced content there, and then create the redirect. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 20:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment some of the above comments refer to the term as not in use nor in the article. A user has provided relevant reliable sourcing that the term is used with some frequency but almost exclusively among opponents rather than generally (see this semi-academic commentary negatively discussing CPCs where the authors still put the term in scare quotes). I encourage voters to reflect on this development. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sources which use the term:
 * Fake abortion clinics: the threat to reproductive self-determination
 * Fake abortion clinics now outnumber real ones 3 to 1, campaigners say, as pro-life activists try to pressure and shame women into abandoning terminations
 * There's A Shocking Number Of Fake Abortion Clinics & Here's What You Can Do
 * Anti-abortion ‘fake clinics’ exist throughout WA. Here’s what they are and how to spot them
 * Inside the 'fake clinics' where women are persuaded to carry pregnancies to term ‘Crisis pregnancy centers’ give counseling, pregnancy tests – and outnumber abortion providers three to one in Georgia
 * Anti-abortion ‘fake clinics’ exist in Idaho. Here’s what they are and how to spot them
 * Massachusetts Women's Health Center Actually a Fake Abortion Clinic, Says Watchdog Group
 * NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia released the findings of a decade-long study examining the strategies of "fake" abortion clinics known as "crisis pregnancy centers." --- Avatar317 (talk) 22:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - widely used, as well attested. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  02:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. The term "fake abortion clinics" is used neutrally by Rebecca Eisenberg in her 1994 paper "Beyond Bray", published in the scholarly journal Yale Journal of Law and Feminism. In fact, Eisenberg uses quotes around "crisis pregnancy centers" to introduce the new term, but never puts such quotes around "fake clinics" or "fake abortion clinics". Her paper emphatically shows they are deceptive and fake. Binksternet (talk) 03:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Breu, Jörg, father and son
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Breu, Jörg, father and son">Breu, Jörg, father and son → Jörg Breu (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Breu, Jorg, father and son">Breu, Jorg, father and son → Jörg Breu (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Breu, Joerg, father and son">Breu, Joerg, father and son → Jörg Breu (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible Eubot redirect. The individual components (last name, first name; substituted diacritic; father and son) are valid and possibly useful to someone; the combination, on the other hand, not so much. Pageviews, unsurprisingly, incredibly low: 40 page views in the entirety of the past five years. AddWitty NameHere  02:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to add the two other variations mentioned above. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:14, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There's also Breu, Jorg, father and son. The original redirect, Breu, Jörg, father and son, was created in 2005. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete all. Probably well meaning creation but of essentially no use. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  13:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per El cid. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Talk:Bridget (Guilty Gear)/Archive 14
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD.  Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Talk:Bridget (Guilty Gear)/Archive 14">Talk:Bridget (Guilty Gear)/Archive 14 → Talk:Bridget (Guilty Gear)/Archive 1 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Archive was created accidentally at the wrong counter value when I set up archiving for Talk:Bridget (Guilty Gear). The content that was in Archive 14 has now been moved to Talk:Bridget (Guilty Gear)/Archive 1 and the counter reset on the talk page proper. Need deletion for cleanup and no CSD category was appropriate. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy G6 per nom. 1234qwer1234qwer4 08:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * redirects created when fixing pages created at the wrong title are currently covered by criterion G6 but there is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion to move them to a new R5. Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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