Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 16

September 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 16, 2022.

Indelible spiritual mark
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . signed,Rosguill talk 16:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Indelible spiritual mark → Sacramental character (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The expression "indelible spiritual mark" is extremely vague, and can refer - among other things - to either any permanent magical effect, or to any lasting influence a religion left on a culture or another religion. Therefore, I think this redirect should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 11:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 17:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: this redirect used to be invoked as a disambiguation hatnote in Indelible marker . fgnievinski (talk) 12:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The current hatnote is confusing to someone who comes to the Permanent marker article. Jay  💬 14:29, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I think the hatnote is useless, as there is no possible confusion. I guess it dates from a tome when Indelible mark was used as an article. I will therefore remove the hatnote. Veverve (talk) 15:29, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:16, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Valid idiom. Paradoctor (talk) 18:45, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * can you elaborate on the "valid idiom" opinion? Are you saying that the idiom is used only for Sacramental character, and hence should be kept? Jay  💬 05:05, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No. No, you're misunderstanding "idiom". "Sacramental character" is a specific kind of "indelible spiritual mark". Since this is the only meaning beyond the literal, dictionary meaning of "indelible spiritual mark" we have on Wikipedia, we redirect there as a r from hypernym. Paradoctor (talk) 06:25, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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Insect pest of grape
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:15, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Insect pest of grape → Category:Grape pest insects (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I attempted to retarget this to List of grape diseases having added the articles in the category to List of grape diseases but this was reverted by. Note that Insect pests of grape, Insect pests of grapes, Insect pests of vines, Grape pest insects, don't exist. Perhaps there is a better target, to avoid a cross-namespace redirect? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:04, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * There are many problems with this.
 * 1) The insects should not be added to the List of grape diseases unless they are described to be vectors
 * 2) Redirects to categories are not forbidden
 * 3) The other redirects you list (Insect pests of grape, Insect pests of grapes, Insect pests of vines, Grape pest insects) would be desirable. They should have the same targets.
 * 4) Redirecting to List of grape diseases is simply incorrect. Redirecting to List of grape diseases would be slightly less confusing but still incorrect.
 * 5) is incorrect. Insect pests will never be appropriate to the disease list.
 * Why not make List of insect pests of grape? Invasive Spices (talk) 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * "Insect pests of grape" is very bizarre phrasing; it reads like an incomplete search, and I don't think incomplete terms warrant a redirect. One would expect "insect pests of grapes", "insect pests of grape species", "insect pests of grape vine", or "insect pests of grape clusters", etc. I generally agree with Invasive Spices that "diseases" and "pests" are two different topics, so I lean towards creating a separate list. A better title for a hypothetical list article would be List of grape pests with a subsection on insects. That said, I think this redirect in particular should be, although I don't object to replacing it with more plausible search terms. If those redirects are created, they should point to the category until a list article is created. – Scyrme (talk) 17:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Reply to Scyrme and Pppery: I had not considered whether the phrasing would appear strange. It's not really strange. This is normal phrasing in the relevant industry – the singular "grape" is very common.
 * Only the first and second references support what you say, the middle one uses singular "grape" in very very different contexts and generally uses "grapes" or "grape vine" in the relevant contexts; however, the other two don't just use it in a relevant context but actually explicitly refer to "insect pests of grape", so I'll accept that I was wrong about this being implausible. – Scyrme (talk) 00:37, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete oddly formatted, not a plausible search term. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Votes to delete are incorrect per WP:R. This is not a harmful redirect and so should not be deleted as such. Note additionally that many misspellings have redirects and this is not a misspelling. Invasive Spices (talk) 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That's just not true; see 5 ... redirect makes no sense (argued above: a pest is not a disease) and 10 ... redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article (argued above: a list article was suggested). I don't understand your point about misspellings since you seem to agree that this isn't a misspelling, and therefore r from misspelling doesn't apply. You seem to be suggesting that redirects shouldn't be deleted just because they're implausible, but that's not true at all. Implausible redirects are often deleted, and may even skip this process as speed deletions in some cases (see 8 ... Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created). This is all present at the guideline you linked to. However, I have changed my view in light of the references you've provided. (Also, what's with the reply button not showing up after your signature?) – Scyrme (talk) 00:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep (revised view) unless a list article is created, otherwise retarget to that list. The references linked earlier demonstrate that this phrase is attested in relevant literature. The category is the most helpful target until a proper article is created, since readers can navigate to relevant articles from there. Again, if anyone wants to create a list article, I would suggest the broader title List of grape pests, with a subsection on insects which this redirect could point to. – Scyrme (talk) 00:37, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (argued above: a pest is not a disease) Yes. I am the one who argued against redirecting to the disease list. I made this to redirect to Category:Grape pests. (Also, what's with the reply button not showing up after your signature?) I don't know. That's a good question. Invasive Spices (talk) 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * * Delete per User:Pppery, oddly formatted, not a plausible search term. I just created the redirect Grape pest which should suffice.&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk!</b> 18:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag as r with possibilities. This book chapter is titled "Insect Pests of Grapes". While the terminology is not uniform, the subject is notable as a list topic, and should get at least a basic list article ASAP. <span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(-3deg);bottom:-.1em;">Paradoctor (talk) 18:57, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Fabric Freshener
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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget Fabric Freshener to Fabric softener, Delete Whirlpool Fabric Freshener  .  Jay  💬 05:25, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Fabric Freshener → Swash (brand) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Whirlpool Fabric Freshener → Swash (brand) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Fabric Freshener" was the name of a product sold by Whirlpool Corporation, but since Swash (brand) has been redirected to List of Procter & Gamble brands we no longer have any content on it in the encyclopaedia (with the exception of 2005 Industrial Design Excellence Awards). "Fabric freshener" is probably a plausible search term as a generic term, but I can't see any good alternative target for it. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:39, 9 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget Fabric Freshener to Fabric softener (where Fabric conditioner redirects) - I agree that this is a plausible generic search term and that is the type of product that immediately came to my mind. Thryduulf (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Whirlpool Fabric Freshener - we don't have any content specifically about either the product or (that I've found) fabric conditioners sold under the Whirlpool brand. Thryduulf (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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 * Retarget Fabric Freshener to Fabric softener Johnbod (talk) 01:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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Glitch house
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 25%23Glitch house

Noitaton Hsilop
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  BD2412  T 20:14, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Noitaton Hsilop → Polish notation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 7. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, if anything this is worse than the now twice deleted lowercase, since it has the same problems but is also not in sentence case. – Scyrme (talk) 23:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. You will find hits for it in Google and even in a few (printed) publications, so people occasionally run into the term (in upper- and lowercase variants) in the real world wondering what it is, then turning to Wikipedia and rightfully expecting to get an answer. If we don't have an entry point for it, we are doing them a disservice and leave them uneducated - this is against our goal to create an encyclopedia for everyone to use. Our normal procedure for misnomers like this is to create a redirect to the correct term and tag the redirect with the special rcat  (as we already do), so that it cannot be confused with a "proper" term. The rcat allows for automatic bot correction of the term if someone would link to it. Per our criteria for redirects WP:REDIR, this redirect cannot cause any kind of confusion as we are explicitly telling users that this is not the official term. It will be only entered into the search box by people running into the term in the real world, and for them, it is clearing up the confusion they are under by pointing them to the correct term per WP:R #3. This is not weaking Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, but strenghening it, and by deleting the redirect, we would not improve Wikipedia in the slightest, but making it less reliable. Therefore, keep.
 * --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:30, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * These arguments were already addressed in the discussion for the lowercase redirect, linked by the nominator. – Scyrme (talk) 12:02, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You offered your opinion based on a mere essay which however does not reflect community-consensus and did not convince me as following it is detrimental in the community's quest to achieve the goals of this project.
 * However, as in the real world, we have users who are here spending their precious spare time to construct the most comprehensive and reliable encyclopedia ever and users who seek to destroy what they don't understand or like. Seems unavoidable to deal with, as in the real world. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete: There's less merit to keeping this than the one that was deleted due to casing. Wikipedia does not need to explain jokes in redirects as that is not their purpose. Anyone searching the joke either would know the joke and would be able to get to the right term or anyone not knowing the joke and searching that term on the off chance that happens would likely be surprised by the result they get as there is no explanation in the article (and no place in the article for explanation) of the joke. As an aside, this joke is improperly targeted as the joke itself should target RPN, not standard Polish Notation, so it has not ever really been that helpful of a redirect as it's targeting the wrong thing; having said that, it should not target RPN because as stated above, it's not the job of redirects to explain fairly obscure jokes. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 14:04, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As has been explained at length in the old thread, we do not care about explaining jokes, but we very much care about providing encyclopedic contents to users of any background and therefore we systematically create redirects for any plausible input into the search box to the corresponding contents in Wikipedia. That's the purpose of redirects per WP:REDIR - and that is the goal of Wikipedia per WP:PURPOSE. The reversed spelling certainly isn't the most likely search term, but since it is occasionally used in real world publications, it was actually used by people as input into our search box (as the usage statistics of the old redirect clearly showed), so we could help them out of their confusion. Deleting the redirects we can't. That no good at all. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, as the lower-case has been deleted. --CiaPan (talk) 15:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - There's another one of these over at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 17. – Scyrme (talk) 17:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, we don't need a redirect here just because a few people have made a joke once. Highly implausible. (Also per previous discussions.) eviolite   (talk)  01:11, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As the deletion rationale is the prior lowercased RfD, pinging those participants:, , and .  Jay  💬 05:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also support a delete for this unhelpful joke redirect. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:15, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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List of algonquin terms
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 23%23List of algonquin terms

Pork markets
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 24%23Pork markets

Diaereses
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Diaeresis. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:58, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Diaereses → Diaeresis (diacritic) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Diereses → Diaeresis (diacritic) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Diæreses">Diæreses → Diaeresis (diacritic) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This plural form can refer to any meaning of Diaeresis, not just the diacritic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi 1234qwer1234qwer4. I don't understand what you're proposing here. Can you please explain? --MZMcBride (talk) 17:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Currently these redirects go to Diaeresis (diacritic), but Diaeresis is probably a more appropriate target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No kidding. :P I'm not sure a formal discussion is needed for simple retargeting, but shrug. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Diaeresis: No reason the plural has a specific affinity to the punctuation mark. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 18:04, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * retarget all: I find the above reasons convincing.Dingolover6969 (talk) 08:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
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Red.nar
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Red.nar → The Chronicles of Narnia (film series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Is this just nonsense? I think so. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 17:31, 16 September 2022 (UTC) *G3 per. @ CLYDE  FRANKLIN  21:12, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a remnant of page move vandalism. —Cryptic 17:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as WP:G3 per Cryptic's findings. eviolite   (talk)  17:52, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Since the mover immediately self-reverted and didn't have a history of PMV, I'm willing to assume this was a error and should be G6ed instead. @ CLYDE  FRANKLIN  21:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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Small People Throwing A Ring Into A Volcano
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Small People Throwing A Ring Into A Volcano → The Lord of the Rings (film series) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Complete joke of a redirect. There's not much else to say. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 17:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Couldn't find any usage of this phrase online either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete by throwing into Mt Doom :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Throw it with the ring. This was the only page created in mainspace by someone with 2 edits, and doesn't seem useful. @ CLYDE  FRANKLIN  18:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete this is an accurate summary, but not a useful search term (and if it was it should be in sentence case as it is a description not title of the work). Thryduulf (talk) 10:30, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: While I would very much find funny redirects such as or, but they aren't particularly probably search terms and keeping this would absolutely set an example that the (non-existent) redirects I listed could be created. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 13:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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P:W
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * P:W → Portal:World (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous, and previously deleted per Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 May 11. I'd tag as G4, but the redirect has existed since 2021 and Portal:World is probably a better target then Portal:Wales. @ CLYDE  FRANKLIN  16:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete this cross-namespace redirect per previous discussion. This is almost a speedy G4, but it points to a different target. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:13, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirects with a different target to the one discussed are only G4 candidates if the content of the new target page is essentially the same as the old one (e.g. the page or content was moved). Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment P:W is the fourth most used route into portals but, if there's some compelling reason why it's harmful, then I suppose it will have to go. Certes (talk) 21:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ... which is still only 9 views per month, so not very convincing. Delete per previous discussion. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hôtel
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:56, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Hôtel">Hôtel → Hôtel particulier (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This term just means "hotel" in French, the current target looks too specific. feminist (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep or set up a disam page It's not true that "This term just means "hotel" in French". When used in English it is likely to mean some kind of large town house - ie a Hôtel particulier - that "inn" French usage for "hotel" came in from English I think, and typically lacks the accent. Bear in mind that the invariable French term for Town hall is Hôtel de ville, but don't try booking a room. A disam page might be an idea. The Hôtel-Dieu, Paris is a historic hospital and another one a theatre, while the Hôtel Matignon is the official residence of the Prime Minister of France, and so on. Johnbod (talk) 16:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Too specific target, Hotel would be a better target but the French word isn't relevant. @ CLYDE  FRANKLIN  18:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per everyone else. Sorry for my ignorance. @ CLYDE  FRANKLIN  23:54, 18 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: Hôtel pariculier essentially covers what a WP:DAB for Hôtel would cover. It covers Hôtel de Ville and Hôtel-Dieu, which are two of the more common times people would common across hôtel. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:57, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Nominator is mistaken. In English hôtel usually refers to hôtel particulier not hotel. --Robert.Allen (talk) 22:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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Λυκάνθρωπος
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:55, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Λυκάνθρωπος">Λυκάνθρωπος → Werewolf (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Is this needed on the English encyclopedia? Of course, there are alternate spellings for different languages, but this one uses the Greek letters, and as such is of no use to anyone using keyboard's based on English letters. Delete? TNstingray (talk) 16:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Refine to Werewolf, where slightly more context for the usage of the Greek term is given. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: Name is mentioned in the lead. There is a specific affinity from Greek to werewolf with the alternative name lycanthrope (λυκάνθρωπος). <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 18:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. Although Greek has no special affinity with "werewolf" it does have affinity with "lycanthrope" (and its shorter derivative "lycan"), a synonym for "werewolf" common in some contexts such as fantasy fiction, including some prominent films/franchises. The first sentence opens by naming both "werewolf" and "lycanthrope" as the subject of the article. Accordingly the target of the redirect is related to this language via the latter subject. – Scyrme (talk) 17:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
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Winged Draco
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 23%23Winged Draco

Leurozancla
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 23%23Leurozancla

Dinosavr
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Dinosavr → Dinosaur (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Improbable typo. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 16:27, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - Searching dinosavr on Google and looking past the first page brings up a number of results in Slavic languages, particularly Russian where the word for "dinosaur" is динозавр dinozavr; although a direct 1:1 transliteration would have a Z not an S, evidently some people prefer to transcribe it with an S. Russian often converts an intervocalic S into a Z (eg. physics <-> физика fizika) in loanwords, and the inverse is sometimes done in transcription. The Cyrillic is also the word for "dinosaur" in an number of other languages which write in Cyrillic, such as Kazakh, but the results I found for the transcription were mostly Russian.
 * Since the word "dinosaur" and the study of dinosaurs don't have any particular affinity for languages written in Cyrillic this should be deleted. Additionally, dinosavr also brought up results for apps called DinosaVR and DinoSAVR; they don't have Wikipedia articles, afaik, but it might be best not to pollute the search results for people looking for them. – Scyrme (talk) 18:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:ARCHIVES
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Help:Archiving a talk page. I also created WP:ARCHIVERFC which points to the previous target as suggested per nom. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 20:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * ARCHIVES → Wikipedia:Archival sources (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The current redirect is for a failed proposal from 2006. I would think it's more beneficial to have WP:ARCHIVE and WP:ARCHIVES point to the same page Help:Archiving a talk page. Therefore, I propose the following . – The Grid  ( talk )  14:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:ARCHIVES → Help:Archiving a talk page
 * WP:ARCHIVERFC → Archival sources
 * Retarget per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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Tattooing in China
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Tattooing in China → History of tattooing (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is misleading, as the target has a section about history of tattooing in China, but the main topic (covering history and modern customs, as for example present in Tattooing in South Korea), is missing. A red link here will serve better to indicate the topic is needed. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: to encourage article creation (WP:REDYES). <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 19:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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Chupacabras (Legend and Failures)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * <span id="Chupacabras (Legend and Failures)">Chupacabras (Legend and Failures) → Chupacabra (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary redirect. Seems like some user made their own chupacabra page back in 2011 and it was cleared and redirected to the actual page. It is an improbable search entry. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 12:31, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Odd formatting, not a plausible search term. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:15, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Really, really not needed. Bishonen &#124; tålk 07:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC).
 * Delete as nonsensical. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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Locless monster
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Locless monster → Loch Ness Monster (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a name for the cryptid. May just be nonsense. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 12:26, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; online search results are mostly for a product named "Lockless Monster". Was a duplicate article when created but that appears to have been at least partly a copyvio. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:29, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as one of the more ridiculous redirects. Come on, people! Bishonen &#124; tålk 07:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC).
 * Delete Seems to be a portmanteau for Loch Ness monster.-- Auric   talk  23:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Barias
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Barias → Banias (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is not marked R from misspelling but I suspect that's what it's for, but it is ambiguous and potentially misleading. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I found that spelling in a source, but to trace the source right now will be difficult. JMK (talk) 12:27, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Potentially misleading. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 20:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
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Bigfoot the bigfooted
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Bigfoot the bigfooted → Bigfoot (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Really a nonsense redirect. No one refers to the cryptid as such. Delete. TNstingray (talk) 12:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; can't find any usage of this term online. Was a duplicate article when created but did not contain any significant content. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete yeah, silly. Bon courage (talk) 07:21, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, nonsense. Bishonen &#124; tålk 07:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC).
 * Delete as patent nonsense. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:50, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete not a plausible search term.-- Auric   talk  23:03, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Barden booger
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 23%23Barden booger

The masked being
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 23%23The masked being

Thought of Thomas Aquinas Part I
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thought of Thomas Aquinas Part I → Thomism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A very poor title, dating back to when Wikipedia was still a bit shacky. The article was moved to Thought of Thomas Aquinas in 2008, so there is nothing to worry about attribution. The name is very unlikely to be typed, and is archaic. Therefore, I propose this redirect be deleted. Veverve (talk) 02:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: The AfD of Thought of Thomas Aquinas was relisted today. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 04:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Thought of Thomas Aquinas is currently at AfD, it was relisted with a comment saying there is consensus to merge but no consensus about whether the destination should be Thomism or Thomas Aquinas. If this is kept it should target the same place, whatever it is. Thryduulf (talk) 08:38, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Extremely janky title. It is actually misleading because it reads as if this is some singular philosophical concept developed by Aquinas. TNstingray (talk) 12:06, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: In a similar vein to TNstingray, this reads to me as it would be about a Part I of a book called "Thought of Thomas Aquinas". I can't imagine anyone using this as a search term. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 12:40, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There is also no meaningful article history. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 12:40, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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P500
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 26%23P500

Kill yourself
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 24%23Kill yourself

Metro-1
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Line 1.  Jay  💬 18:10, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Metro-1 → Moscow Metro (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This was recently made into a disambiguation page (see ) which I PROD-ed with the rationale "The term "Metro-1" isn't used in the articles Moscow Metro or Metro 2033 and there are no pages linking to Metro-1 so there seems to be no need for this disambiguation page". That has been reverted to the initial redirect to Moscow Metro but the problem remains that the target page does not mention "Metro-1". Pichpich (talk) 22:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Metro Line M1 (Budapest Metro), where the lead bolds "Metro 1" as an alternative name (the only article I've found that does so), alternatively we could retarget to Line 1, a dab page listing 88 systems with Metro in the name that have a line 1 (Google finds a couple of results related to Paris Metro's line 1 on the first page). Thryduulf (talk) 00:38, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sort of reluctant to retarget to Metro Line M1 (Budapest Metro) because I suspect (can't prove) that other metro lines in various cities are sometimes known as Metro 1. I still favour deletion but my second choice is to retarget to Line 1. Pichpich (talk) 16:33, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to Line 1. There doesn't appear to be a primary topic here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:00, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Retarget to line 1 per Presidentman -- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 04:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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