Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 2

April 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 2, 2023.

Small intestine (better dab)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  01:42, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Small intestine (better dab) → Small intestine (Chinese medicine) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Bot-generated leftover of a seemingly WP:POINTy page move of to Small intestine (better dab, which got deleted in a later RfD. Implausible and confusing search term. Randi Moth TalkContribs 20:58, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete due to unlikely searched modifier -- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No one is going to search this. Carpimaps (talk) 06:06, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Unlikely search modifier. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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Islams
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Islam (disambiguation).  ✗  plicit  01:42, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Islams → Muslims (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is occasionally used to collectively refer to various forms of Islam, but as an unlikely search term to which no articles link, deletion seems best. At the very least, it absolutely must be retargeted. An anonymous username, not my real name 20:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The term seems to be part of theological discussion (1, 2, 3). I'm not knowledgeable enough to give my opinion on the matter so I'm going to notify WP:ISLAM. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Islam (disambiguation) as R from plural, there being at least one topic on the dpage which can be pluralized (ie. given name and surname both can be pluralized). -- 65.92.244.249 (talk) 02:41, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per 65.xx. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 03:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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Dolunay (dab)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . wbm1058 (talk) 21:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Dolunay (dab) → Dolunay (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Appears to be the leftover of a move of to Dolunay. Implausible search term, confusing to an average reader. Randi Moth Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 20:00, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete due to unlikely modifier -- Lenticel ( talk ) 23:58, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Implausible search term and unlikely modifier. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:06, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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Russian mystery deaths
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 16%23Russian mystery deaths

Killer!
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . Evidence of the redirect's relevance has been found. signed,Rosguill talk 23:48, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Killer!">Killer! → This Man Must Die (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, nor does it appear to be a translation of the French title; delete unless a justification can be provided. signed,Rosguill talk 17:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 *  Delete  I can't find good alternative targets in the wiki. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:32, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * According to these sites, Killer! is mentioned as the alternative title for British release.
 * --Namoroka (talk) 13:45, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * See also: Killer! (1969 film) --Namoroka (talk) 19:20, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag as R from alternative name per Namoroka's findings. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:02, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag per above. Skynxnex (talk) 22:06, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Namoroka's findings. -- Lenticel  ( talk ) 23:22, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep and tag as R from alternative name per Namoroka's findings. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:02, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag per above. Skynxnex (talk) 22:06, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Namoroka's findings. -- Lenticel  ( talk ) 23:22, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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Spectator Club
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Harvard Classics.  Jay  💬 18:40, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Spectator Club → Lynbrook High School (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is apparently an essay by Richard Steele and should redirect there. An anonymous username, not my real name 16:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 17:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: There are multiple target suggestions. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 17:15, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Harvard Classics. The actual mention is in a collapsed box. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
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 * Agree with Shhhnotsoloud as nom before this is closed without consensus. An anonymous username, not my real name  01:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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Library database
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Library catalog. (non-admin closure) Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 17:10, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Mentioned in passing, but not really discussed at the target. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:09, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Library database → Database (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Retarget to Library catalog which seems like a more plausible synonym. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:03, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Library catalog per Presidentman. Skynxnex (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Library catalog per Presidentman. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 09:59, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Integrated library system, which also seems like a related topic (and is probably closer to the concept of a "library database", since integrated library systems are almost always digital and library catalogs are sometimes not). Duckmather (talk) 23:50, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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Facial plethora
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Plethora (medicine).  Jay  💬 18:36, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Facial plethora → Plethora (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's a redirect to a soft redirect that (obviously) doesn't explain what this means. An anonymous username, not my real name 15:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Facial plethora is the earliest sign of Cushing's disease - shall place there with possibility of expansion there, and redirect to that page. --Iztwoz (talk) 19:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Have included item in new page Plethora (medicine).--Iztwoz (talk) 09:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Plethora (medicine) per Iztowz since it's covered well there now. Skynxnex (talk) 22:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


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Gruppo Finelco
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 * The result of the discussion was procedurally closed  . With no apparent reason for deletion, and the nominator globally locked, there's nothing for us to do here. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 15:11, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Gruppo Finelco → MFE - MediaForEurope (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

not in use, wrong redirect Telco4 (talk) 08:53, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What's wrong about it? * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If it's same as Finelco Group, then it's mentioned as acquired by RCS MediaGroup. Jay  💬 18:33, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
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Noam Chomsky/Colorless green ideas sleep furiously
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 9%23Noam Chomsky/Colorless green ideas sleep furiously

Domovideo
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 11%23Domovideo

I took the wok to poland
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  on account of the incorrect capitalisation. There is consensus that the correctly capitalised  is an appropriate redirect despite the absence of a mention at the target. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I took the wok to poland → Poland (song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure how this relates to the song. Perhaps it's a lyric? But if so, it's not mentioned in the article.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 18:25, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 08:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – Fine R from lyric. Per Genius' lyrics, the chorus consists of "I took the Wock' to Poland" being repeated 3 times, so it's very plausible that someone might search for the lyrics (misspelling "Wock" as "Wok" is plausible as well) without knowing the name of the song, such as if they overheard it somewhere such as on radio or in a club. Song lyrics are also not acceptable to paste into Wikipedia articles due to copyright concerns, so "not mentioned in the article" isn't something that can be fixed. Randi Moth (talk) 18:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Neutral – The wrong capitalisation of "Poland" makes it much less plausible as a search term, since already exists. I'm not entirely certain whether it's implausible enough to delete, however. Randi Moth (talk) 19:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete too many errors + not mentioned. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * "Not mentioned" isn't a valid reason to delete a R from lyric since they still serve as aiding the search of someone that might not know the song name without giving an unexpected target, while including the lyrics themselves into the page is commonly not an option due to copyright. Still, implausible to have multiple errors, and I took the wok to Poland's existence means that searching won't be hampered by deletion of this. Randi Moth Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 21:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per Randi. If there is no problem with I took the wok to Poland, this too should be fine as they were created only 10 days apart, and this was created first. Jay  💬 08:21, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jay - people searching in all lowercase is common, and while we don't need to routinely create these sorts of redirects there is no benefit to deleting them after they have been. Tag it as and  of I took the wok to Poland. Thryduulf (talk) 09:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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SHABIR AHMED
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  .  Salvio giuliano 20:15, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * SHABIR AHMED → List of Afghan detainees at Guantanamo Bay (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Without justification as to why the subject of this redirect might have a special affinity toward ALL CAPS, this is ambiguous with the many other Shabir Ahmeds of the en.wp world.  J947  † edits 05:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Weak disambiguate if possible. However, I can see this may be difficult and so I am also fine with deletion. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 19:03, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * DELETE due to being in all-caps. There's already a disambiguation page at Shabbir Ahmed (in fact, I added a large number of people to that page today; there may be duplicates, but without further sourcing it's hard to say). I would also weakly support redirecting to Shabbir Ahmed, although the all caps is kind of unnatural. Duckmather (talk) 03:24, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 April 16 * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Right, that makes sense. Keep as nom.  J947  † edits 02:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
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Leopord from Tarzan
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 14:41, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Leopord from Tarzan → Tarzan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This seems like a pretty contrived vague phrase marred by a typo. Leopard from Tarzan already exists. Page view statistics show negligible reader interest. Originally created by what was apparently an abuser. --Joy (talk) 08:00, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:01, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above: unlikely search term with no pageviews. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 10:00, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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2022–23 Schleswig-Holstein-Liga
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . But retarget to 2022–23 Oberliga as a double-redirect fix.  Jay  💬 14:36, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="2022–23 Schleswig-Holstein-Liga">2022–23 Schleswig-Holstein-Liga → 2022–23 Oberliga Schleswig-Holstein (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete this redirect as anachronistic because the erstwhile Schleswig-Holstein-Liga is now the Oberliga Schleswig-Holstein since the 2017–18 season. Santiago Claudio (talk) 14:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 07:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep but fix the double redirect - the league was known as Schleswig-Holstein-Liga until 2017, it's plausible a reader may look for the article under the former name. However, page views provide little evidence for this actually happening. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Ivanvector, clearly a plausible search term. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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Giant wombat
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  .  Jay  💬 14:23, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Giant wombat → Diprotodon (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Diprotodon is not a wombat. There are genuine giant wombats like Ramsayia and Phascolonus, meaning that this is not an unambiguous redirect. I would say either delete this or make a disambig page. I am neutral as to which option would be best. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate – "Giant wombat" is a real alternate name for the genus, even if it's incorrect, which isn't that uncommon among vernacular animal names, e.g. Velvet ant or Laos brown butterfly. Ramsayia, Phascolonus, and also Sedophascolomys have been discovered after the redirect's creation and are all the three true giant wombat genera as of yet known.. Searching for the giant wombat, it doesn't appear as if there's a primary topic among the four targets now, and the search term is very plausible. Randi Moth Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 10:50, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There was a mistake in the reply: though all coverage I've found of Ramsayia and Phascolonus has been very recent, these genera aren't that recently discovered (though Sedophascolomys was classified in 2015). This doesn't change anything in the substance of the reply, however: the cited source says these three are the only true giant wombat genera, and there doesn't appear to be a primary topic. Randi Moth Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 23:03, 4 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Dabify per Randi Moth. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:00, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate - this is the term I would search for if I forgot the name, and I doubt I am alone in this. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:10, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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Kiwifarms.net
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . No policy-based reason for deletion has been advanced, and it seems unlikely that any exists. If someone wants to make an IAR argument to delete this redirect on moral grounds, they can do so in a subsequent nomination, but they should keep in mind that a redirect simply being unpleasant will usually not merit IAR deletion; rather, they would have to show that its presence harms the encyclopedia.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 02:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Kiwifarms.net → Kiwi Farms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It's a far-right redirect and I don't like it. It should not be on here because it is a redirect to a bad website that is an overall bad place. I have citations for this claim: [1] [2] [3], the sources are reliable so you cannot refute my claim at all. It is a horrible redirect and should be removed because it is far-right in nature. Mizutani The Pokemon (talk) 00:49, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Recommend a speedy Keep as per WP:BEANS. If someone knows the URL already, then sending them to the page is appropriate, but publicising the URL via this RfD and talk page notifications etc is the opposite of the RfC around not linking. Additionally, the cited deletion reason is WP:IDONTLIKEIT which is not a legitimate reason. Closer: please mind my declared COI. Lizthegrey (talk) 01:31, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep on the merits of the redirect but probably speedy keep on procedural grounds. While everything Mizutani says about this disgusting website is true, we have an article about it because it is notably disgusting, as the links provided show. Nobody is suggesting deleting the article and I'm not sure what the objection is specifically to the redirect. I'm not sure that the redirect is particularly helpful or necessary but it also does not seem incorrect for it to exist. It might serve to guide somebody to knowledge of how awful the site is. Anyway, we have redirects to many other articles about awful subjects and that is quite normal. We have 43 redirects pointing at Nazi Party and none of them can be considered endorsements. DanielRigal (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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