Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 14

August 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 14, 2023.

Caroline of Nassau
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  .  Jay  💬 07:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Caroline of Nassau → Prince Frederick of Hesse-Kassel (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Dabify - Ambiguity between Princess Caroline of Nassau-Usingen and Princess Carolina of Orange-Nassau, among others. estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:02, 7 August 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Princess Caroline of Nassau-Usingen . Caroline and Carolina are different, but if you think there's scope for confusion use a redirect-distinguish hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:02, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * My comment withdrawn in light of Celia below. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Dabify. Apart from Caroline Polyxena of Nassau-Usingen and Carolina of Nassau-Weilburg, there's also Caroline of Nassau-Saarbrücken and Caroline Felizitas of Nassau-Usingen. Celia Homeford (talk) 11:54, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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Prince Maurice of Battenberg, KCVO
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 21%23Prince Maurice of Battenberg, KCVO

Stolen election conspiracy theories
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . After two relists, editors remain evenly divided amid various alternatives. signed,Rosguill talk 05:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Stolen election conspiracy theories → Conspiracy theory (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Similar rationale to my deletion request for "Election denial" and similar, although I am more on the fence as to whether this should be a redirect to Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election. Not sure if this redirect would be too WP:RECENTIST or U.S.-centric, but it is likely the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for someone searching for this - and much more helpful than the current redirect, which links to a section of the page that no longer exists. GnocchiFan (talk) 16:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Redirect, delete, or create a list? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 17:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election. While there may possibly be other potential targets, this is clearly the most likely intended one, and there is no obvious single-article alternative target. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment That's a rather U.S. centric view of things. Supporters of Bolsonaro would also qualify, and then there's the actual conspiracies that stole elections such as for Tsikhanouskaya in Belarus -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 04:25, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or create a list article for these things. -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 04:26, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment if this is kept as a redirect, it should target Electoral fraud, where conspiracies are mentioned -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 04:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The only conspiracy theory explicitly mentioned there is the so-called voting pencil conspiracy theory, which is pretty niche and of its time, even for British politics watchers. Although it definitely could be expanded to include other notable conspiracy theories. GnocchiFan (talk) 16:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The target articles specifically refers to elections, and contains the analysis "Such theories tend to get more traction among election losers in society...". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:11, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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To do the needful
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Editors are split between keep, retargeting to consolidate wiktionary redirects, and deleting. This close is without prejudice to attempts to consolidate the wiktionary redirect as a WP:BOLD edit, as it is not clear that keep !voting editorrs necessarily oppose this. signed,Rosguill talk 05:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * To do the needful → wiktionary:do the needful (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, per WP:SSRT: "Please keep in mind that only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects. We don't need a soft redirect for every possible word or phrase to be included in Wikipedia." Fram (talk) 12:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 20:12, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: totally harmless, redirects are cheap. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:16, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See below ; my comment also applies here (and these two RFDs could probably be merged). Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  13:48, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. It appears to meet the criteria at Template:Wiktionary redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:15, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep – it's a bad idea to have loads of wiktionary redirects, but I think this one crosses the bar of "useful phrase with helpful Wiktionary entry".  J947  † edits 00:15, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Do the needful, which is also a soft redirect to Wiktionary. We don't need multiple Wiktionary redirects for the same term. - Eureka Lott 18:44, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete due to my belief that redirects to Wiktionary should be 1:1. An entry does not exist at wikt:to do the needful. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:43, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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Doing the needful
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . No consensus between the status quo and slight changes in target that from a reader's perspective would barely differ from the status quo. This close is without prejudice to someone cleaning up the chain of targets that the redirect points to, as it has not been discussed exhaustively. signed,Rosguill talk 05:17, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Doing the needful → wiktionary:do the needful (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, per WP:SSRT: "Please keep in mind that only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects. We don't need a soft redirect for every possible word or phrase to be included in Wikipedia." Fram (talk) 12:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 20:12, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: totally harmless, redirects are cheap. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:16, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This got a request at WP:AFC/RC, and it was a proper target, which is my usual base for accepting (the request is enough evidence of use in most cases). I may need to be stricter on soft redirects per WP:SSRT, then? (Good to know, for all the time I spend around redirects I think this is the first time I've created a soft redirect; semi-related question, can a redirect target a soft redirect, since you get stopped on the soft redirect page anyway?) Anyway, this was originally a request to redirect to Indian English, which the parent redirect of Do the needful originally targeted, but I figured the wiktionary page was more useful for readers. I also based this off the recent RFD including Swiping left and Swiping right, which were inflected forms that got turned into redirects. I'll abstain from this discussion for now. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  13:48, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. It appears to meet the criteria at Template:Wiktionary redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:15, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep – it's a bad idea to have loads of wiktionary redirects, but I think this one crosses the bar of "useful phrase with helpful Wiktionary entry".  J947  † edits 00:15, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Do the needful, which is also a soft redirect to Wiktionary. We don't need multiple Wiktionary redirects for the same term. - Eureka Lott 18:45, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If not deleted, retarget to doing the needful. I'm ambivalent otherwise, I don't really see much use for it. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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Extractive industry
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Natural resource.  Jay  💬 07:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Extractive industry → Extractivism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect currently sends searchers for the general term "extractive industry" to the article for "extractivism", a specific academic conception of extractive industry (and in some cases other industry as well), analagous to terms such as "prison-industrial complex". In my view the redirect is clearly inappropriate, but I am uncertain on what the solution should be and would appreciate thoughts. Eldomtom2 (talk) 19:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I think as a stand it its good for now -- we could add the Template:Redirect with possibilities to signal if there is a more diverse meaning. But if we needed to I could see a lightly referenced listical/dab page, like we did for: Triple planetary crisis -- where its a cited stub, mostly intended to redirect people to a bunch of related articles (i.e. extractivism, industrial agriculture, mining, etc -- the challenge is that a well done list like that, requires a fair amount of nuance, and most of the content is not set up to describe those industries as extractive (part of the reason I didn't chose another redirect), Sadads (talk) 21:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Natural resource and tag as Template:R avoided double redirect to Natural resource extraction. Both Extractive industry and Natural resource extraction were articles in the past, and I could see Natural resource extraction being an article in the future. I think given what the nom has said about the article Extractivism, the hatnote at Natural resource should perhaps be changed to a "see also". A7V2 (talk) 01:26, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this option makes the most sense.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 17:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget per A7V2 and nom. signed,Rosguill talk 05:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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FAUK
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete  by  per WP:G7. (non-admin closure) <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 21:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * FAUK → PewDiePie (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target, but from what I understand, it's typically a way to bypass censors that filter out the word "fuck". Hey man im josh (talk) 18:08, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. FAUK is apparently his initials, but I find this redirect not particularly useful. 〜 Askarion   ✉  19:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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Maison Hauer-King
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Maison Hauer-King → Jan Kaplický (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I cannot find an Enligsh Language source that calls the Hauer-King House the Maison Hauer-King and with the house being designed by a Czech architect and its location being England, I do not see a natural affinity to the French language, therefore I am proposing this be deleted under WP:RLOTE. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 17:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It was made by accident and didn't notice the link was Maison Hauer-King instead of Hauer-King House. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cladeal832 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Eopharyngia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Eopharyngia → Trichozoa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Another circular link that does no-one any good. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 17:35, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. A7V2 (talk) 01:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Vincian
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 21%23Vincian

Petroleum & Mining Engineering
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 15:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Petroleum & Mining Engineering">Petroleum & Mining Engineering → Petroleum engineering (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This appears to be a WP:XY issue where this could target either Petroleum engineering and Mining engineering. While Petroleum engineering mentions Recruitment to the industry has historically been from the disciplines of physics, mechanical engineering, chemical engineering and mining engineering but that's the only mention of mining engineering on that page other than within the name of a society. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. A7V2 (talk) 01:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Lisa Simpson giving head
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 22%23Lisa Simpson giving head

Operation Z (2022)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Withdrawn by nominator with no views expressed by others that were not keep (WP:WITHDRAWN) (non-admin closure) <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Operation Z (2022)">Operation Z (2022) → Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This name is not used for the war, and in fact feels like pro-Russian mocking. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep:, . Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 11:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's fair. I guess it can be kept. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Super Dromaeosaurus I believe that you can withdraw this RfD if you want per WP:WITHDRAWN. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 15:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, consider it withdrawn. Someone can close this discussion now. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:03, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep as a name used by the ABC, Radio Free Europe, the Royal United Services Institute, and a full-length book by a Swiss former intelligence officer, all pro-Ukrainian. A web search finds multiple uses in pro-Russian/fake news sites too (demonstrating that both sides use this name for the full-scale war), but linking to them here would help spread disinformation. Glades12 (talk) 13:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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2022 Russian specal operation in Ukraine
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete  by  per WP:G7 (non-admin closure) <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * 2022 Russian specal operation in Ukraine → Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I could understand it if it was "special" but this redirect isn't going to be helpful to anyone. It had a grand total of zero views in the last 30 days. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, a "special operation" or "special military operation" is what Russian media calls the invasion, and it happened in 2022, and the misspelling seems plausible... so weak keep, I guess. (A source biased towards the Russian government calling it a "special operation", a neutral source calling it that in quotes. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 11:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I really dislike the extreme inclusionism that takes place in RfD. It's a misspelling in the middle of a sentence with five words and four numbers. It's not plausible to get that particular misspelling often, and we don't have redirects for all other "plausible" misspellings that can take place in that sentence. We don't have 2022 ussian special operation in Ukraine or 2022 Russian special operation in Ukrine. The redirect has had zero views in 30 days. Nobody has needed it in over a month. In fact, this whole year it received nine views . Let's just delete it, we don't need the clutter. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I've A7 tagged the redirect, as creator. Based on the rcat I added (alternative name, not misspelling), I don't believe I realized there was a typo in the redirect at the time. I believe I probably found a red link and created the redirect believing it to be appropriate. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:03, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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Human trait
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  07:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Human trait → Psychology (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Once again, feels too broad for this one redirect to target, and the specific phrase only gets a hit in a citation in the article. The redirect was created in 2006 with the edit summary being temp redir, and there have been no edits since. I dove in a little – Personality seems like a good target, but I'm not well-versed enough in the area to be too sure about it. Trait is a DAB page and seems a bit iffy for this claim (someone who's searching human trait now needs to understand enough biology to pick the correct article). If anyone has more specific targets, those will probably be better. FYI, The talk page of Psychology has been notified about this discussion. Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  06:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Several sections in the Human article talk about traits, Human and Human, especially. This is a really vague search term, and I'm not sure how useful it can be as a redirect. &#8213; Synpath 01:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:43, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Trump Crime Family
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete  by 331dot as WP:G10. (non-admin closure) Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 10:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Trump Crime Family → Family of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect seems very POINTY and reflects a political POV. Also as only Donald Trump has been indicted, and not other family members, it seems inaccurate. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:55, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I saw this redirect in the Move log and was not aware of the existence of Biden Crime Family and its nomination here when I posted this. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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Number transformation
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 03:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Number transformation → Mathematics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target is far too broad, though I have no idea what this should be targeted to (it also may very well be another WP:R). It may be an existing concept (I'm not good with google and lacking in math knowledge), but certainly not a well-known one, so a redirect is probably justified if there's content to support it... though the only existing article with the string Number transformation is Stirling number, which uses it in the compound "Stirling number transformation". FYI, the target page Mathematics has been notified. Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  03:43, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete – this name is too vague/generic to clearly describe a particular transformation, and as far as I can tell not a common term in and of itself. Redirecting it to 'mathematics' is not useful to anyone. –jacobolus (t) 08:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete – per Jacobulus. I am unable to guess which mathemaical concept is intended by this phrase. D.Lazard (talk) 10:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete – This is possibly a term invented by the creator, which they used in their draft for the article to describe mathematics. Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 23:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak retarget to Function Function (mathematics) . I am guessing that the phrase "number transformation" refers to something that takes in a number as input and produces a number as output (the google search results are very certainly unhelpful and scattered in this regard, but I don't think they are a strong indicator against this belief). To be fair, this isn't an exact match, because a "function" can have arbitrary input and output types, whereas a "number transformation" is only restricted to numbers. Still, since most examples of functions that people care about do deal with numbers, I think this is likely the best match we've got. Duckmather (talk) 03:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC) ; amended 04:05, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, Function is a disambiguation page, so I'm refining my !vote to the article about mathematical functions. Duckmather (talk) 04:05, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * comments I noticed some drafts redirected to the Mathematics. Would you like to delete these as well ? --SilverMatsu (talk) 16:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft:Marvin L. Bittinger (Mathematics)
 * Draft:Mathematics of all Kinds
 * Draft:Maths Formulas
 * Draft:High-speed mathematics
 * I would say no – they're harmless, and have edit histories (though Maths Formulas may fall under G11, so I have no objections there). I could also get behind an R#D10 on High-speed mathematics, as there's a book by that title that may be notable eventually, and having a redirect in draftspace as opposed to a red link could be confusing. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  21:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, I forgot about G13. No objections, though I wouldn't bundle it here given that the only things shared are the target. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  21:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comment. As for when this list meets the criteria for WP:G13, I will ask WT:AFC. --SilverMatsu (talk) 00:51, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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Nantucket ferry
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Nantucket. signed,Rosguill talk 19:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Nantucket ferry → Steamship Authority (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There are plenty of other Nantucket ferries besides this one. Interstellarity (talk) 01:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes; they are mentioned at Steamship Authority. They are also mentioned at Nantucket if you think that would be a better target. -- Beland (talk) 01:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Redirecting to what, for reasons of balance, can only ever be a small section in Nantucket wouldn't help readers much. As noted the regulatory role of the Steamship Authority is already mentioned in Steamship Authority. If that section was expanded in relation to the regulated operators, the Steamship Authority article would provide a good "main article" for the section in the Nantucket one.  Davidships (talk) 23:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I would support redirecting this to Nantucket since there are other ferry operators that offer ferry service to Nantucket such as Hy-Line, Freedom, and Seastreak. If this were the only ferry service on Nantucket, I would support keeping the redirect. Other than that, I think the target that Beland mentioned is the better one. Interstellarity (talk) 00:52, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:11, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Nantucket which has the broadest coverage. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:30, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Nantucket, there are many transportation providers. WWGB (talk) 03:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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List of deepwater ports
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 21%23List of deepwater ports

Mob theft
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 23%23Mob theft

Biden Crime Family
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete  by 331dot as WP:G10 (non-admin closure) Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 10:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Biden Crime Family → Family of Joe Biden (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Per WP:RNEUTRAL, a redirect from a non-neutral term should be kept if it represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources. The way to do that would be by identifying and explaining the non-neutral term at the target, with references to reliable sources. "Biden Crime Family" is not even mentioned in the article, so it has not been established. From what I can tell, this looks to be a Trumpism so perhaps if kept it can be added to List of nicknames used by Donald Trump? -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:23, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * See the original redirect request. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 00:32, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's how I found this redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Trump Crime Family should also be nominated or bundled as such, given it's the same exact circumstances. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  03:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Speedy Delete – Yes, this term is used by a few politicians to smear the entire family of an opponent by using a Mafiaso term. There is no recognized “Biden Crime Family”. Just as there is no recognized “Trump Crime Family” and we do not do the bidding of partisan politicians by legitimizing a smear in an encyclopedia. WP:G3 I'm OK with mention in the list of Trump nicknames article. O3000, Ret. (talk) 01:03, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Slanderous expression used by Biden opponents. WWGB (talk) 02:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete. This should have been a quick and easy Speedy Delete. G10 would seem to apply. Bgsu98   (Talk)  03:29, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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