Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 15

August 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 15, 2023.

Gravity (film)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Gravity (disambiguation). (non-admin closure)  J947  † edits 23:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Gravity (film) → Gravity (2013 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Gravity (disambiguation) as incompletely disambiguated. Per WP:PRIMARYFILM, When more than one film needs to be disambiguated, partial disambiguation such as Titanic (film) should be made and redirected back to the main disambiguation page or an appropriate section of it. I'm sending this to RfD rather than doing it boldly because this exact change was previously reverted, but it seems correct. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom, there is also Gravity (2009 film). –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:11, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please use the active voice whenever possible, User:Pppery. For instance, instead of saying "this exact change was previously reverted", say "User:CapnZapp reverted this exact change previously" (or something to that effect). This has the benefit of not appearing as trying to sneak in a change under the previous editor's radar. Thank you for your consideration. CapnZapp (talk) 13:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If I were trying to sneak something under the radar I would have done it myself, not start a discussion. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Nontheless, WP:RFDHOWTO does state "It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect", of which is one, so ideally would have been notified of this discussion. Pinging  for completeness-sake (the other user who has changed the target is indeffed). A7V2 (talk) 05:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Question: It was I who did the previous revert, with the edit comment "2013 film clearly primary topic". This has been uncontested since 2019. Has something changed in the meanwhile that suggests changing circumstances I don't see a problem with this proposal. So has it? Is Gravity (2013 film) no longer the clear primary target for anyone searching for Gravity (film)? Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 13:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As explained above in the nomination incomplete disambiguation redirects for films are verboten. This has nothing to do with being a primary target, but instead is about following proper project-level consensus rather than a local consensus achieved through silence that I have now objected to. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. A7V2 (talk) 05:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. If there's a primary topic then that's a move discussion not an RfD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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Olivia Page
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 23%23Olivia Page

Calvin Jung
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 20:21, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Calvin Jung → RoboCop (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Actor who has appeared in more than just RoboCop. Doesn't make sense to target RoboCop when there are a number of other possible targets as well, such as Lethal Weapon 4. Best left as a redlink for now. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete the only case I could see for redirecting an actor to a fictional character would be if the only thing they are known for and that is not the case here.--65.93.193.235 (talk) 19:58, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete After a thorough review of the actor’s filmography, I regret to say his page should be deleted. Aside from RoboCop and Lethal Weapon 4, he is not very well known or notable in the acting industry like some others. And a cameo on Tim Allen’s Last Man Standing won’t excuse it either. Marino13 (talk) 20:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 22:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:MIXEDCAPS
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Finnish redirects that turn ä into ae
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 14:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Pertti Valkeapaeae → Pertti Valkeapää (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ilkka Mesikaemmen → Ilkka Mesikämmen (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Anssi Melametsae → Anssi Melametsä (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Reijo Leppaenen → Reijo Leppänen (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Henry Leppae → Henry Leppä (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tero Lehterae → Tero Lehterä (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Antti Heikkilae → Antti Heikkilä (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mika Haekkinen → Mika Häkkinen (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

From what I have researched, it very much does not seem that ä → ae is a substitution that happens in Finnish in the same way it happens in German, therefore it seems these redirects should be deleted. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 20:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment if this is a substition that happens in German, then wouldn't that make these redirects likely search entries for these drivers (for readers who are familiar with the German substitute). These should therefore be kept and tagged as r from misspelling?   SSSB (talk) 09:58, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per SSSB. Rlendog (talk) 15:01, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Created in error... but helpful? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have notified WP:FINLAND about this discussion <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 16:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: On the one hand, User:TartarTorte is entirely correct. It is a grammatical mistake in Finnish to replace "ä" with "ae" or "ö" with "oe". This can even introduce semantical changes - for example "eläinkoe" means "animal test" but "eläinkö" is a question phrase meaning "animal?". On the other hand, this seems to be acceptable in German, and many users of the English Wikipedia are probably unaware of the difference, and as users with an English/American keyboard layout might not be able to type the letters "ä" or "ö" at all, these redirects are helpful, as long as the correct spelling is used on the actual articles. J I P  &#124; Talk 09:36, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per G6 as a bot error. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Clearly not eligible for G6 as this would not be an uncontroversial deletion, given users above have advocated keeping. A7V2 (talk) 00:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per SSSB and JIP. While incorrect, these redirects seem like logical attempts for users to spell these individuals' names on keyboards that lack characters with umlauts. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. It seems the appropriate substitution for ä and ö, when those characters are not supported, are a and o. I'm not Finnish and am pulling that from domain naming recommendations from this page at the Finnish Transport and Communications Agency. (It's in English!) Also, if substituting with ae were common (thus helpful to have) we would expect to see regular use of (a formula one championship winner), but we do not. Rather,  sees plenty of use. The harm in these redirects is pretty minimal, as they might create an incorrect notion that these are appropriate character substitutions. Maybe clarifying in a  template is good enough.  &#8213; Synpath 00:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I second the suggestion to tag as R from misspelling. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:26, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep It's genuinely interesting that this type of substitution can change the meanings of Finnish words, and it's a reason to keep an eye on these in case there are similarly named people (though this seems less likely when we're considering proper nouns). In the meantime, as discussed above, it's quite plausible that an English speaker without ready access to the diacritics would try such a substitution. By all means, tag with R from misspelling. --BDD (talk) 16:13, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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DeCODEme
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn  . by nominator. signed,Rosguill talk 05:22, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * DeCODEme → DeCODE genetics (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Clashes with DecodeME, differing only in capitalization, so maybe we should delete it. I also created decodeme as a disambiguation page. The Quirky Kitty (talk) 09:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep/unrefine per WP:DIFFCAPS (the section linked in the redirect no longer exists). DecodeME and deCODE genetics already have hatnotes pointing to one another. - Eureka Lott 17:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep as the nominator. I listed this here because I didn't know how to handle this situation, after searching for relevant policies but not finding any. @EurekaLott helpfully pointed out WP:DIFFCAPS, which explains that we can keep both. The Quirky Kitty (talk) 21:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Would you like to then withdraw and close your nomination? Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 22:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead and close it. The Quirky Kitty (talk) 08:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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Baa Baa
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Sheep. Sheep#Vocalisations is clearly the preferred target by consensus after this relist, with Baa, Baa, Black Sheep deemed a less helpful target as a partial title match. (non-admin closure)  Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  08:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Baa Baa → Dwight York (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There's no indication of why this redirects here. I suggest a retarget to Baa, Baa, Black Sheep. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:00, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Clear consensus to retarget, but is Sheep or Baa, Baa, Black Sheep a better target? Pretty split right now. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  04:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: it does seem somewhat random to say the least. although it was 12 years ago, can you shed light on why this was created? Otherwise the suggested retarget seems credible enough. Bungle (talk • contribs) 12:56, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Dwight York is a man with a thousand pseudonyms. "Baa Baa" was at the time one of the ones I noticed in his strange sect's literature when I was researching Nuwaubianism ("Baba Bassa Afrika" and "Bawaba Bassa Afriqa" were two others in the same phonetic neighborhood). I don't think "Baa Baa" was a particularly prominent example, and I would have no objection to changing the redirect to something more prominent. Moorlock (talk) 13:29, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If it was one of his stage names it should be mentioned in the article and probably this title disambiguated otherwise retarget to Baa, Baa, Black Sheep.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 16:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * retarget to Baa, Baa, Black Sheep, seems to be the primary article. No prejudice on making a hatnote pointing back to the original article if a cite supports the Baa Baa in said article. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Baa, Baa, Black Sheep because it is more likely that readers are looking for the retarget suggestion than some relatively obscure stage name. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 18:16, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I wondered if this would be used for a sheep vocalization. Moo (sound) and Oink (sound) both redirect to List of animal sounds, though only "bleat" is listed for sheep, and that's probably more a case for Baa (sound). --BDD (talk) 20:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sheep as I think it is more likely someone searching for information about "baaing" that the song (I don't think the song is commonly referred to without the "black sheep"). A7V2 (talk) 00:53, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. We could put a hatnote at Baa, Baa, Black Sheep: . Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:13, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sheep per A7V2. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 18:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sheep, tentatively.  J947  † edits 08:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: Baa, Baa, Black Sheep lookssuperficially like a good target, but these partial title matches don't help anyone. Anyone looking up "Baa Baa" is not looking for the nursery rhyme, in the same way that anyone searching "Lincolnshire" is not looking for The Lincolnshire Poacher. It is extremely unlikely, in my view, that the nursery rhyme would be known by this shortened name, so a retarget to Sheep is more likely to actually help the reader. A hatnote could be added to the section header, but I don't really think it's necessary. When I type in "Baa Baa" in the search bar, "Baa, Baa, Black Sheep" is the third suggestion, after Baa Baa Black Sheep (TV series)", and, of course, this redirect. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sheep per Edward-Woodrow. WP:PTM would seem to advise against the other proposed target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Sheep per Presidentman, no one will benefit from such a surprising target. ( Roundish  ⋆  t ) 23:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm also fine with Retarget to Sheep provided there's a hatnote pointing back to Baa Baa Blacksheep -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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OZA (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy keep  as WP:WITHDRAWN. (non-admin closure) <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 17:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="OZA (disambiguation)">OZA (disambiguation) → Oza (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While the top of the DAB page mentions OZA, there are only matches for Oza. It seems that unless there's anything that uses an acronym/initialism on that page that this redirect should be deleted (and the words or OZA removed). <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 03:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Both of the transport uses are OZA (airport and airline codes). --BDD (talk) 16:29, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ope, those must've been added after I nominated. Withdrawing as speedy keep as there is now no reason for deletion. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 17:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Erlenmeyer rule
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 22%23Erlenmeyer rule