Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 16

August 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 16, 2023.

21st century music
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to 21st century. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 00:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * 21st century music → 21st-century classical music (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"Music" and "classical music" are not the same thing. Delete unless a better target can be found. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:27, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - Definitely seems like this could (and should) be some kind of overview article in a similar vein to 20th-century music. There is the potential target of 21st century but I'm only neutral on targeting there as it isn't very detailed, and deletion per WP:REDYES may be better. A7V2 (talk) 04:52, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete – I'd be very surprised if there was a good alternative. Deletion makes the most sense –  Aza24  (talk)   05:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK there might be a future page there just like 20th-century music -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See also Contemporary music.  J947  † edits 09:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to 21st century, I think what's there is better than nothing. I've added a link to Category:21st century in music so there's a path to 21st-century classical music. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm also fine with this retarget proposal. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:13, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to 21st century per Tavix. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 20:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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Braces
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 22:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Braces → Brace (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I would argue that the primary topic of "braces" (in the plural) is dental braces. A Google search corroborates this. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 22:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose, not a clear primary topic over Braces (clothing). Given the nom does not propose that braces be the title of dental braces, the bar for primary topic increases further.  J947  † edits 23:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Dental braces consistently has higher views than suspenders, which braces are only an alternative name of (i.e., not all readers of the article "susupenders" call them "braces". |Braces_(clothing)|Suspenders|Dental_braces Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The bar for a PTOPIC is very high. Perhaps 4 out of 5 people are searching for dental braces. But as I understand that's a far cry from a primary topic.  J947  † edits 05:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If 4/5 are searching for braces meaning dental braces, that fulfills WP:PT1 as per much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined, at least in my view, but I could be misunderstand WP:PTOPIC in this instance. TartarTorte 12:45, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Dental braces is more popular than Suspenders |Suspenders but there are too many other things that could be plural at Brace . The stats are skewed by incorrect piping on the disambiguation page  which I have corrected. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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MSW XP
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) C LYDE  TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 01:12, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * MSW XP → Windows XP (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Yes, the abbreviation does stand for Microsoft Windows XP but two other redirects that I created before with the same abbrevation but different spacing, MS WXP and MSWXP, got deleted for being "implausible redirects", so shouldn't this one be deleted too? Colgatepony234 (talk) 20:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Is this overly implausible? Microsoft Windows is listed on MSW. Further, this has existed since 2004 and is unambiguous, so I don't think deletion should be done without good reason, and WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a good reason. Note also that the two mentioned redirects were apparently deleted out of process by as WP:CFSD does not (and did not at the time ) apply to "implausible redirects" in general, but only to implausible typos. A7V2 (talk) 05:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You do make some good points there. Yeah those two being deleted in 2019 was the reason why I asked if the same should happen to that too. Those two redirects were from when I was my bizarre redirect making self from back in 2019 (which I am not anymore, and I haven't made any for the 4 years since as I've learnt from that experience). Colgatepony234 (talk) 16:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per A7V2. No point in comparing two recently created redirects with one that has existed since 2004, and since it's causing no harm then deletion is unwarranted. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 22:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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Hussein de Jordanie
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hussein de Jordanie → Hussein of Jordan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per WP:UE. French is not an official language of Jordan. He has seemingly no connection to France. estar8806 (talk) ★ 16:10, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:31, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, but WP:UE pertains to article titles, not redirects. WP:RFOREIGN is the relevant guidance for redirects. The only connection I could think of is the Sykes–Picot Agreement between France and Britain, but Transjordan was under British influence, not French. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete – French Wikipedia claims (without sources) that he has been given medals from French-speaking countries, such as the Legion of Honour, Order of Leopold, and National Order of Merit, though I doubt this is enough to establish a connection to the French language. Randi🦋Talk<sub style="margin-left:-20q;">Contribs 13:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Abdullah bin Hussein
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 23%23Abdullah bin Hussein

List of cities in the United States lacking inter-city rail service
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 23%23List of cities in the United States lacking inter-city rail service

806.4616.0110
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * 806.4616.0110 → Earth (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Very unlikely search term for someone looking for Earth, not mentioned at the target (in fact, there's no mentions of it anywhere on Wikipedia). The creation edit summary was:

ID used to describe our planet in Carl Sagan Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, Encyclopaedia Galactica episode

If this is a redirect worth keeping, it should target one of those linked articles, not Earth, but I fail to see how this would be useful even then. Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  09:56, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: For consideration of Matthiaspaul's proposal. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. 806.4616.0110 is also a music piece by Dave Nichols composed for the TV series Parallax, but Nichols doesn't have his own page either so I find this search term unlikely. 〜 Askarion   ✉  11:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 22:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: very unlikely search term that could mean more than one thing. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 12:25, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - possibly ambiguous with several targets, however none actually have information on this string of numbers. In this case it would be better to show readers that we don't have any information, rather than guessing what they're looking for and then still showing them nothing useful. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I do not know this series, but if this numerical ID was actually used to refer to Earth in Carl Sagan Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, Encyclopaedia Galactica episode, it should be changed to point there or kept as is, not deleted. Ideally it would be mentioned in the target article, but this is not a requirement. If a user runs into this number mentioned somewhere, enters it into our search box, and get's redirected to one of these targets, s/he will know implicitly that the number must be related to the target. This is already better than coming back blank.
 * The number is obscure enough that a conflict with another page of the same name is unlikely, but if this can be disambiguated via hatnotes. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 23:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. I'm not sure how one would go about adding this code to an article without making it sound like obscure trivia. This doesn't seem like the kind of code that affected popular culture outside of the episode (eg: 42). -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:44, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Demean
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  12:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Demean → wiktionary:demean (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:NOTDIC, no reason to create soft redirects for every normal word, per WP:SSRT. Fram (talk) 08:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Searching the RfD archives show no hits for 'demean' so no reason to keep per WP:POINTWIKT. &#8213; Synpath 17:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as not useful. I didn't find any good targets here at en.wiki -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIC: unnecessary soft redirect. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 20:35, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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TESS
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 23%23TESS

Napster Bad!
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 03:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Napster Bad!">Napster Bad! → Metallica (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The concept (a series of flash animations) is no longer mentioned in the current version of the target article. Delete or does someone care to restore the mention? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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Sar tan se juda (Urdu slogan)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 03:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Sar tan se juda (Urdu slogan)">Sar tan se juda (Urdu slogan) → Beheading in Islam (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Target section was removed in July 2022 as irrelevant and incoherent, and the phrase is no longer mentioned in the article. This is also a dismbiguation without a base title: Sar tan se juda does not exist. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. "Sar tan se juda" appears in enwiki only in the context of "Gustakh-e-Rasul/Nabi ki ek hi saza, sar tan se juda" at Murder of Kanhaiya Lal. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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