Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 4

August 4
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 4, 2023.

Martian Congressional Republic.
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Martian Congressional Republic. → Mars in fiction (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Incorrect title (stray period at the end of it). It was moved to the correct title Martian Congressional Republic one minute after creation by the creator, leaving this redirect behind. WP:CSD declined.

The reason this and the correct title redirect to different pages is that I refined the target for the correct title from a page that doesn't mention the term to one that does before noticing the existence of this redirect, and I didn't bother fixing the target of this redirect since it was obviously created accidentally. TompaDompa (talk) 22:47, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Obviously bad typo redirect. Not at all a likely search term. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:42, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * To add to that: even if someone did search for this, they would have to type the entirety of the correct title Martian Congressional Republic before adding the incorrect period at the end. TompaDompa (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:37, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:28, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Sean Flynn (actor)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 19%23Sean Flynn (actor)

Live performance (primary topic)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Live performance (primary topic) → Live performance (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible and unhelpful. Created initially as a stub article by a now blocked sock. CycloneYoris talk! 21:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete What even is that trash? QuicoleJR (talk) 14:43, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Possibly it should be a broad-concept article as was probably intended but otherwise delete as confusing as it targets a DAB without a primary topic.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 16:29, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete since "primary topic" is unnecessary. 64andtim   (chat)  18:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: not a likely or helpful search term. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:40, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete not useful. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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Cedric Martinez
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (season 1). (non-admin closure) Duckmather (talk) 00:10, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Cedric Martinez → The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Cedric Martinez is not mentioned in The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills article GoingBatty (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (season 1) and remove circular redirect there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:43, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (season 1) per Shhhnotsoloud -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:25, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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Stellantis Europe
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Duckmather (talk) 00:14, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Stellantis Europe → Stellantis Italy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect title could also be referring to Stellantis Poland or Fiat Ireland. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment An IP recently changed the prose in the article to denote the company as "Stellantis Europe." Not sure why it just wasn't moved. I can't find any source to verify this but will keep looking. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:34, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per A7V2. I've also found an independent source to verify the change, which I will add to the article. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - It seems as though the Italian branch has indeed been renamed (see, ctrl+F "formerly"). Whether the common name has changed is not a matter to be determined here, but given a lack of reporting about this name change as far as I can find, it probably hasn't. A7V2 (talk) 01:01, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Not alive
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . G7, no other edits.  Star   Mississippi  19:42, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Not alive → Death (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely search term. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * delete it then Sebbog13 (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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Google Forums
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 06:51, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Google Forums → Google Forms (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Forums and forms are not the same thing, though I understand the creator made the redirect with a misspelling in mind. Google Groups features forums and Google also has a Google Play community forum, Google cloud learning forum, and a support forum. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:26, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete i thought it was called Forums but when i looked at wikipedia it was called forms so i made that redirect, but just delete it then if it does fit or whatever Sebbog13 (talk) 18:28, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * or maybe disambiguate if so many things have forums in google Sebbog13 (talk) 18:28, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as overly vague. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 19:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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Ric Heitzman
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 * The result of the discussion was restore  . Multiple participants supported an article on the topic, so I will restore the soft-deleted article per Jay's suggestion. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 23:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Ric Heitzman → Pee-wee's Playhouse (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect is for an artist of substantial merit, Ric Heitzman, that deserves a page of their own. It is redirecting to a production that has many aspects, mostly unrelated to Heitzman and a project that was one of many projects of Heitzman. &mdash;Danorton (talk) 18:13, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFD/WP:REDYES. A7V2 (talk) 01:03, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ric Heitzman did have an article of his own, which was deleted in 2020 because of . It was a soft delete, so if you are willing to expand on it, I can restore it to replace the redirect, or I can restore it to draftspace and this redirect can remain redlinked until the draft looks good. Jay  💬 07:06, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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Christmas family murder
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . Essentially a G7 with creator commenting here and agreeing.  Star   Mississippi  19:41, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Christmas family murder → Murder of the Lawson family (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Christmas familicide → Murder of the Lawson family (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous title. I'm finding a number of different murders that have taken place on Christmas when searching. Seems like a redirect that should be best left as a red link. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:11, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * delete it then Sebbog13 (talk) 18:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * please just delete it i dont want these talk messages about stupid shit i make getting deleted Sebbog13 (talk) 18:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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Emily Binx (Hocus Pocus (1993 film) character)
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 * The result of the discussion was move without redirect  to Emily Binx. I was the one that mass deleted 's redirects. This is a good way to clean-up afterwards as well as resolve the R with history. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 23:42, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Emily Binx (Hocus Pocus (1993 film) character)">Emily Binx (Hocus Pocus (1993 film) character) → Hocus Pocus (1993 film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redundant redirect. There is also a redirect simply titled Emily Binx. I'm not sure we need either, but we for sure don't need both. Bgsu98  (Talk)  16:48, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The page was BLAR'd by in 2016 and I have just tagged it with R with history.  Jay  💬 07:14, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Move without redirect to Emily Binx, which was just mass deleted. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  21:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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B.A.
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 12%23B.A.

Redirects to Diana Sowle
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:40, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Gerald Kent Laumer → Diana Sowle (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Gerald K. Laumer → Diana Sowle (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Gladys Marie Winninger Laumer → Diana Sowle (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Gladys M. Laumer → Diana Sowle (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Inexplicable redirect. Bgsu98  (Talk)  15:33, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: @Bgsu98: I combined some of these nominations because they had the same target and are related to one another. Note that the target, and Diana Sowle's findagrave, list Gerald Kent Laurmer and Gladys Marie (née Winninger) Laumer as Sowle's parents. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:43, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for streamlining that for me! Bgsu98   (Talk)  15:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment hoping Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents will come up with a better way to deal with these so as not to waste the community's time on bad faith creations. Star   Mississippi  15:51, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Unhelpful. Jay  💬 07:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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Hocus Pocus 3 (disambiguation)
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 * The result of the discussion was Already deleted  (by me). This one was a clear R3 where others weren't, unfortunately.  Star   Mississippi  15:52, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Hocus Pocus 3 (disambiguation)">Hocus Pocus 3 (disambiguation) → Hocus Pocus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible redirect. Bgsu98  (Talk)  15:23, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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MCPHS University
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * MCPHS University → Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Suggesting deletion, as this is an old/obscure name for the university without incoming links. Battlecalm (talk) 15:21, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. There's no policy-based reason to delete here. "MCPHS University" actually appears in the text of the target article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:54, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep It's mentioned as an alternative name in the article. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: R from alternative name. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:25, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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Incriminating evidence
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 12%23Incriminating evidence

Injuries in netball
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 22%23Injuries in netball

Academic study
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Research. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 15:09, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Academic study → Higher education (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I find it strange this redirects to higher education. "Academic publication" redirects to Academic publishing so that's no good. Would the section "Scholarly articles" in Academic journal be a better target? If not, this may be better as a disambiguation page. : 3 F4U (they/it) 02:42, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget. Academic research targets Research, and Academic study could do the same. However, a study implies publication in my view, so targeting either of Academic journals or Academic publishing is fine. &#8213; Synpath 03:03, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is ambiguous and confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:03, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Research to match Academic research, which is the closest synonym IMO. "Study" doesn't necessarily mean publication to me as an academic. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:40, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Research which seems to be the most appropriate target. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:23, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Research per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:39, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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Talk:Zelle (financial service)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Talk:Zelle. Speedy retarget; syncing to the redirect page it is a talk page of. Deleting functional recently-created talk redirects has no community support, and would affect far more pages than just these. (non-admin closure)  Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  10:08, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Talk:Zelle (financial service)">Talk:Zelle (financial service) → Talk:Zelle (payment service) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No incoming links to make this redirect worthwhile. Bsherr (talk) 02:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This page and the one below are harmless and there's no need for discussions. Just replace the redirects with talk page of redirect and move on. - Eureka Lott 02:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy retarget to Talk:Zelle. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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Talk:Zelle (payment service)
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Talk:Zelle. Speedy retarget; syncing to the redirect page it is a talk page of. Deleting functional recently-created talk redirects has no community support, and would affect far more pages than just these. (non-admin closure)  Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  10:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Talk:Zelle (payment service)">Talk:Zelle (payment service) → Talk:Zelle (payment service) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No substantive links to this talk page to make redirect worthwhile. Bsherr (talk) 02:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment I created this redirect as part of a requested move. Before it was recently moved, the page was Talk:Zelle and its original target page was Talk:Zelle (disambiguation) until it was moved and its redirect target was changed. So, although I received notification about this discussion, this is neither the page nor the redirect target that I handled earlier today. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:08, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy retarget to Talk:Zelle. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:08, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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Mancession
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 * The result of the discussion was soft redirect  to mancession. There's general agreement that there aren't any particularly good options to retarget this to in our mainspace. It's worth noting that the Wiktionary article has links to our articles Unemployment and 2007–2008 financial crisis. (non-admin closure)  casualdejekyll  17:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Mancession → Unemployment (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Mentioned in the target article and has a reference, but not in a way that adequately defines the term and thus may be WP:NEO. Per the target article, the best target for this redirect may be Great Recession (the target of redirect 2008–2012 global recession); however, this redirect is not currently mentioned in Great Recession. Steel1943 (talk) 20:43, 26 June 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 23:44, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Great recession, alternative name used in multiple reliable sources . However, it can also be loosely applied to recessions that significantly affect men more than women (, etc.), hence a weak retarget. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 21:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Procedural relist for closing an old log and to seek further input. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete unless mentioned at the target. A term like this seems likely to end up being applied to other recessions as well and could cause confusion if not addressed in the article. signed,Rosguill talk 05:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Search results provide better context to the term than a redirect can. Jay  💬 07:12, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * They do? A search for "Mancession" (no quotation marks) on the enwiki search engine gets:
 * Collaborator (film)
 * Helen Mayer Hacker
 * Andrea Doucet
 * Michèle Tertilt
 * Effects of the Great Recession
 * Women in Italy
 * Unemployment
 * Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had seen the same results. So does the tick represent that two of the results are relevant and others are not? Jay  💬 17:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Why? Jay  💬 08:09, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I still feel that this could be a common search term, and deletion feels wrong. How about a soft redirect to wiktionary? Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary could be ok, although in this case I don't think that its plausibility as a search term really points us towards or away from any option; ultimately the problem is the lack of a suitable unambiguous target inside en.wiki, despite the presence of some relevant information. signed,Rosguill talk 20:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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First-person adventure
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 * The result of the discussion was restore  .  Jay  💬 05:16, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * First-person adventure → Adventure game (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * First Person Adventure → Adventure game (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * First-Person Adventure → Adventure game (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * First person adventure → Adventure game (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. In addition, First-person adventure was formerly an article (See here) that was merged via nominated for WP:AFD in 2007 (Articles for deletion/First-person adventure); per that revision, the subject of these redirects is "a hybrid genre of first person shooters and action-adventures", which neither represents the target section nor the target article at all. Steel1943 (talk) 15:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 2NumForIce  (<sup style="color:#55a7db">speak  &#124; edits) 21:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Further opinions on restoring? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J947  † edits 05:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - Firstly, this is sort of mentioned in the target: "Some games will utilize a first-person or third-person perspective". I see no evidence that any merge took place, it would be in the history of Graphic adventure game (due to various moves). Further the merge was not the result of AfD, the closure of that was "no consensus" (Articles for deletion/First-person adventure), but a later discussion which can be found on Talk:First-person adventure (which I just restored). So I think best to restore since there was no consensus to delete the original article, nor was a merge performed as discussed. A7V2 (talk) 04:26, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can't read. Corrected. Steel1943  (talk) 23:11, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to First-person (video games) or simply delete as overly vague. It should definitely not redirect to graphic adventure games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:48, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore and send to AfD, I guess, since I have no refutation to A7V2's argument, even though I don't really like that process. IMO Zxcvbnm's proposed target has too little substance to warrant a redirect, with "adventure" being only mentioned once in passing there. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think commenters above may be too used to defining "first person" in terms of first person shooter. See also First-person (video games). - jc37 19:04, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * How is first-person in terms of "first person shooter" different than the general term for video games? "First person" in both cases refers to the fact that your viewpoint is the perspective of your character. : 3 F4U (they/it) 05:33, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore and send to AfD – the content may not be particularly-well sourced, but I see at least one usable source in the old article and it seems like it was just BLAR'd, not merged. In fact, the article was actually improved after the AfD (it was unsourced at the time of it closing), and I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion that two person talk page discussion came to that the majority of participants wouldn't be opposed to a redirect/merge. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  04:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment - I like the restore option, but I don't see a reason to immediately send a page to AfD that had a result of "no consensus" years ago. Let's give people a chance to work on the page first. - jc37 05:35, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with that. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  08:42, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: mentioned at target (also per jc37) Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).