Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 9

August 9
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 9, 2023.

Rules as written and intended
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Rules as Intended
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Rules as Written
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 17%23Rules as Written

Velocitas 1897
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was moot/convert to article.  The redirect has been made into an article. A7V2 (talk) 04:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Velocitas 1897 → Groningen (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

disclaimer I know I'm doing this all wrong, but since there is no redirect page in this case (I think) and I can't figure out what to do, I thought it best to leave the info here. I hope you guys can work with this. When I typed "Velocitas 1897" (A footballclub in the Dutch city of Groningen) in the searchbox, it showed as bolded. However when I clicked on it, it linked to the sport section of the city of Groningen where this club isn't even mentioned. Deleting the redirect seems best IMO. --Dutchy45 (talk) 19:35, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I have corrected this nomination for and the redirect itself. This doesn't imply any opinion from myself at this time. Skynxnex (talk) 21:13, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks you Skynxnex for fixing this. Dutchy45 (talk) 01:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Dutchy45. This is a former professional club that returned to amateur soccer. It also won the national cup. Very notable. I will try to create an entry in the weekend. Meantime, please keep this nomination open as you're doing everything fine! Skynxnex, thanks for fixing this nomination. gidonb (talk) 21:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep as an article. I just created it. Dutchy45: I hope you can withdraw and help expand. Kudos for your work on the Dutch Eerste Klasse! gidonb (talk) 09:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Law & Order: New York
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 22:21, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Law & Order: New York → Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Law & Order (franchise) - This is not the only Law & Order series to take place in New York. Plain Law & Order arguably has a better claim anyway. estar8806 (talk) ★ 22:32, 5 July 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:20, 13 July 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the talk of the suggested targets. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 11:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems to be an alternate German name for SVU. I also found a usage in a 2010 Vulture article announcing the cancellation of original Law & Order, albeit somewhat informally. I suppose I could see this as a retronym for the New York-set series, which would support targeting the franchise, though most of them are still set in New York, so it doesn't seem like a very useful term. Deletion may be our best option. --BDD (talk) 14:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom, to the franchise article. The original series was referred to as L&O:NY when L&O:LA was launched. The revival series L&O is referred to as L&O:NY to distinguish it from the original run. -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 00:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Create new dab if there are only 3 specific parts of the larger franchise known by this name but the current redirect is now inappropriate. — Llywelyn II   18:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment except for L&O:LA, the other fiction shows and specials were set in NYC of the primary franchise; Of the remakes, there's on in Toronto, Paris, London, Moscow; so more than 3 are set in NYC -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 02:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Retarget? Disambiguate? Delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 19:30, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the franchise, per the above comments this seems like the most helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 13:17, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not a helpful redirect, as none of the series are actually named that. The whole original (not foreign remake) franchise save the short-lived Law & Order: LA has been set in (and filmed in) New York. It's non-descriptive and meaningless to have this redirect. oknazevad (talk) 13:28, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete - stats show that the title has not been searched even once in at least 90 days prior to the nomination. It's not useful, and potentially confusing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as all proposed alternative actions are possibly-wrong guesswork and, per Ivanvector above, there is no clear need for this to exist. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:42, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * At the time the redirect was created in 2006, the target had a table that said the German version on the RTL II channel that premiered on April 28, 2005 was called "Law & Order: New York". A year later, removed the table with comment deleting extensive list per WP:DIRECTORY. Either retarget per nom by tagging R without mention or delete for now and recreate later if we bring back a mention at some article.  Jay  💬 07:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Ambiguous and implausible. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 16:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

2015–16 Bangladesh Championship League
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus.  A move request has been opened to swap these titles.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;,  ed.  put'er there 19:21, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="2015–16 Bangladesh Championship League">2015–16 Bangladesh Championship League → 2014–15 Bangladesh Championship League (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Declined speedy deletion, but I'm not sure what to do here. This is a page move redirect - evidently this league's championship which ran from November 2015 to January 2016 is referred to by sources as the 2014-15 league, for reasons which aren't clear to me. The league's following championship, 2016 Bangladesh Championship League, is evidently also known as the 2015-16 league (it ran from October 2016 - January 2017). This shouldn't be deleted because it's a R from move, but I don't know where it should target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:57, 7 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Instead of deleting the redirect please rename the 2016 Bangladesh Championship League article as 2015–16 Bangladesh Championship League since it's the correct name. FNH004 (talk) 05:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the talk of 2016 Bangladesh Championship League. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 10:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Nothing has changed since the last relist, and the one before that... Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 19:29, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - there is clearly something fishy going on with the related articles since the 2014–15 Bangladesh Championship League supposedly ran from November 2015 to January 2016 (one of the sources for the league table describes this as the 2015-16 league, ), and the article 2016 Bangladesh Championship League says it was called the "Bangladesh Championship League 2015–16" but ran from 2016 to 2017. I think this needs to be sorted out before worrying about any redirects. Pinging who appears to have done various pagemoves and histmerges in this topic area. A7V2 (talk) 01:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The official logo clearly states that the league season was called the "2014-15 Bangladesh Championship League". Here are a few more articles referring to the league season by same name: . The source you are referring to is from the RSSSF and they named the season based on its duration, since thats what they normally do with all league seasons. FNH004 (talk) 07:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm having a very hard time understanding how a logo existing for the 2014-15 season means that the season which took place 2015-16 is the 2014-15 season? It seems like this is some kind of error made by a source. A7V2 (talk) 09:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I was trying to process a speedy deletion tag, and when I examined the articles, I found indisputable evidence of a cut and paste move. Trying to use the history merge special page failed because it failed to detect the correct time of the cut and paste move. I therefore manually worked on processing the requested page move and the history merge. The sources looked plausible, so I performed the requested moves. I don't know much more about which page titles are correct beyond what I worked on. I admit that I could possibly be wrong on the article titles, but at least I got the history merge manually performed.
 * Anyways, please scrutinize the articles for signs of cut and paste moves, especially before you perform any more page moves. If you find indisputable evidence of cut and paste moves, perform history merges. Jesse Viviano (talk) 16:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. --BDD (talk) 17:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Nom comment - the only comment here so far suggesting an outcome is to swap this title with the article currently at 2016 Bangladesh Championship League. I'm going to go open a requested move to do just that, and I suggest that this discussion be closed as no consensus since I don't think another relist is going to help after two relists with no new comments. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 60 kg
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 * The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:02, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 60 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 60 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 66 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 66 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 73 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 73 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 81 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 81 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 90 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 90 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 100 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's 100 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's +100 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's +100 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's team">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Men's team → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 48 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 48 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 52 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 52 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 57 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 57 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 63 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 63 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 70 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 70 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 78 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's 78 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's +78 kg">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's +78 kg → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's team">Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games – Women's team → Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete all. These redirects are misleading, as the come from either the target article itself or next to a link to it in another article. CLalgo (talk) 08:49, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep all: These are relevant redirect as they are events at the 2021 Summer World University Games. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:46, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * These events are part of the 2021 Summer World University Games, but the redirects are misleading as they always come next to a link to the Judo at the 2021 Summer World University Games article, the target of the redirect, – or in it. CLalgo (talk) 07:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @CLalgo: Then shouldn't the solution to be to remove the links in the table, not the redirects? Many of the World University Games have their own articles for each individual event so I don't believe these are unlikely search terms. I'm not sure that there is a huge potential for these to be expanded into full articles either, given that the only time subevents have been expanded for Judo was the 2015 games. There's also a number of links to these redirects at Ukraine at the 2021 Summer World University Games. I'd expect more links to these redirects as well if more nations at the 2021 Summer World University Games are created. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:30, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See my earlier response. The links may be removed from the main article, but the redirects are misleading in and of themselves. CLalgo (talk) 15:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all: not sure about misleading, but they all seem redundant given the existing rather detailed target article title. Unless any of them are noteworthy enough to merit their own article at some point, which seems unlikely.  Lithopsian (talk) 14:34, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lithopsian: Category:Judo at the 2015 Summer Universiade shows that these events have sometimes turned into their own articles (though those articles are not substantial). Other events at these games do commonly have their own breakoff articles for the specific events, such as those in the sub categories of Category:Athletics at the Summer Universiade, Category:Football at the Summer Universiade, and Category:Tennis at the Summer Universiade. So in my opinion, it's not unheard of for someone to be searching for a specific event at the World University Games. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Great example. There are two sub-articles in Category:Judo at the 2015 Summer Universiade: Judo at the 2015 Summer Universiade – Men's light heavyweight & Judo at the 2015 Summer Universiade – Men's heavyweight. In every single article linking to these article, there is a link to Judo at the 2015 Summer Universiade right next to that link. The only way for a common reader to know about their existence, in contrast for example to Judo at the 2015 Summer Universiade – Women's featherweight that is also linked to from Romania at the 2015 Summer Universiade, is to have them NOT redirect to the main article. That is exactly why these redirects are misleading. They mask the existence of articles on the one hand, or send the reader into a self loop on the other. CLalgo (talk) 15:50, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @CLalgo: I'd argue that Romania at the 2015 Summer Universiade shows why these redirects could be considered useful. Just to be clear, do you believe these redirects are not useful, or just that there's an issue in that the redirects are linked from the target article and redirect back to itself? If so, I do believe that removing the link from the target article would be a better remedy than removing what could be considered a useful search term. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Both. See the table from Romania at the 2015 Summer Universiade § Medalists:
 * {| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size:95%"

! Medal ! Name ! Sport ! Event ! Date
 * || Laura Ilie || Shooting || Women's 50 m rifle 3 positions || 9 July
 * || Larisa Florian || Judo || Women's -52 kg || 6 July
 * || Andrei Gag || Athletics || Men's shot put || 8 July
 * || Nicolae Soare || Athletics || Men's 10,000 m || 9 July
 * || Vlăduț Simionescu || Judo || Men's open weight || 4 July
 * || Vlăduț Simionescu || Judo || Men's +100 kg || 7 July
 * || Bernadette Szőcs || Table tennis || Women's Singles || 13 July
 * }
 * The reader can clearly see that the Men's +100 kg article exists while the Women's -52 kg doesn't. That ability will disappear if the red links will be turned into redirects. CLalgo (talk) 16:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @CLalgo: I've suggested that these redirects can be removed from the target article, so I'll focus on the validity of the redirects. Sticking to specifically Judo, if we look at Category:Judo at the Summer Universiade, we can see that only two event articles have been created for Judo at the Summer World University Games (those 2015 ones mentioned). I believe this is a situation where articles are unlikely to be created, so creating a redirect to a relevant article with some relevant information on the subject makes more sense than leaving it permanently red. Though I respect that you may disagree. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But keeping the redirects just make no sense. When ever they are used, they are always adjacent to a link to the target article. MOS:DUPLINK states that Generally, a link should appear only once in an article and continues to state but it may be repeated if helpful for readers such as in infoboxes, tables. In our case, the opposite is correct. This duplicate link not only doesn't help, but break MOS:OVERLINK An article is said to be overlinked if it contains an excessive number of links, making it difficult to identify those likely to aid a reader's understanding.. And please, pay attention to WP:REDLINK: It may be possible to turn the red link into a redirect to an article section where the subject is covered as part of a broader topic (see Notability – Whether to create standalone pages). But please do not "kill" red links by redirect because their red color (annoying to some readers) seems to scream for a fix. It is easy to turn any red link blue by creating a redirect, but valid red links exist for a reason, and they are the "buds" from which new Wikipedia articles grow.. CLalgo (talk) 16:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @CLalgo: I agree that overlinking is an issue in this case at the target article. While your example with the medal table would include a DUPLINK, I think there are a number of use cases where DUPLINK isn't an issue. As an example, Andrei Gag's infobox includes a medal table with links to the general events (2015 Summer Universiade) and then the specific event they medaled in (Athletics at the 2015 Summer Universiade – Men's shot put). Redlink also states "Add red links to articles to indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable." – I'd argue that while there is a possibility that standalone event articles could be created and considered notable, I believe it's unlikely in this situation. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The example you've given is exactly why we shouldn't use the redirect. See Vlăduț Simionescu's Universiade medals. While both "2015 Gwangju" links target is Judo at the 2015 Summer Universiade, we can see that there is a sub-article for +100 kg but there isn't one for Open. If a redirect was made, this distinction would have been gone. CLalgo (talk) 19:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * || Bernadette Szőcs || Table tennis || Women's Singles || 13 July
 * }
 * The reader can clearly see that the Men's +100 kg article exists while the Women's -52 kg doesn't. That ability will disappear if the red links will be turned into redirects. CLalgo (talk) 16:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @CLalgo: I've suggested that these redirects can be removed from the target article, so I'll focus on the validity of the redirects. Sticking to specifically Judo, if we look at Category:Judo at the Summer Universiade, we can see that only two event articles have been created for Judo at the Summer World University Games (those 2015 ones mentioned). I believe this is a situation where articles are unlikely to be created, so creating a redirect to a relevant article with some relevant information on the subject makes more sense than leaving it permanently red. Though I respect that you may disagree. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But keeping the redirects just make no sense. When ever they are used, they are always adjacent to a link to the target article. MOS:DUPLINK states that Generally, a link should appear only once in an article and continues to state but it may be repeated if helpful for readers such as in infoboxes, tables. In our case, the opposite is correct. This duplicate link not only doesn't help, but break MOS:OVERLINK An article is said to be overlinked if it contains an excessive number of links, making it difficult to identify those likely to aid a reader's understanding.. And please, pay attention to WP:REDLINK: It may be possible to turn the red link into a redirect to an article section where the subject is covered as part of a broader topic (see Notability – Whether to create standalone pages). But please do not "kill" red links by redirect because their red color (annoying to some readers) seems to scream for a fix. It is easy to turn any red link blue by creating a redirect, but valid red links exist for a reason, and they are the "buds" from which new Wikipedia articles grow.. CLalgo (talk) 16:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @CLalgo: I agree that overlinking is an issue in this case at the target article. While your example with the medal table would include a DUPLINK, I think there are a number of use cases where DUPLINK isn't an issue. As an example, Andrei Gag's infobox includes a medal table with links to the general events (2015 Summer Universiade) and then the specific event they medaled in (Athletics at the 2015 Summer Universiade – Men's shot put). Redlink also states "Add red links to articles to indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable." – I'd argue that while there is a possibility that standalone event articles could be created and considered notable, I believe it's unlikely in this situation. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The example you've given is exactly why we shouldn't use the redirect. See Vlăduț Simionescu's Universiade medals. While both "2015 Gwangju" links target is Judo at the 2015 Summer Universiade, we can see that there is a sub-article for +100 kg but there isn't one for Open. If a redirect was made, this distinction would have been gone. CLalgo (talk) 19:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete all per WP:RFD/WP:REDYES. Definitely the presence of these redirects can mislead readers into thinking we have separate articles for each event. A7V2 (talk) 01:41, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: WP:INVOLVED relist to close old log day Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 19:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all: unhelpful and misleading. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 17:40, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Broom King (Kirby)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Broom King (Kirby)">Broom King (Kirby) → List of Kirby: Right Back at Ya! episodes (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:45, 23 July 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:42, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to List of Kirby: Right Back at Ya! episodes, where I have added an invisible anchor. Ca talk to me! 13:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems like it may have been intended as a comment in the above discussion? FWIW, both "Broom king" and "Dedede" stone are briefly mentioned at the current target. signed,Rosguill talk 14:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * was it a miss from your side? Jay  💬 06:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that before the relist, "above discussion" meant WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 30. Also, QuicoleJR has responded for both discussions at the "above discussion" with  Jay  💬 06:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Consensus is unclear because everybody was confused. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 19:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of Kirby: Right Back at Ya! episodes per above. Keep at List of Kirby: Right Back at Ya! episodes but without any anchor. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you make the same mistake as ? The Broom King discussion is different from the Dedede stone discussion. Jay  💬 07:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Whoops, apparently I did, and should've noticed that Ca's comment was misplaced. Thanks for letting me know. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 14:37, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Rosguill's finding, and the nom's statement which I quoted above. As the relister says, everybody was confused. Jay  💬 06:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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NYPD FC
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  .  Jay  💬 08:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * NYPD FC → Soccer in the New York metropolitan area (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pretty useless redirect since no normal article redirects here, the only one that does is the target page which only lists it once in a list Michael H (talk) 15:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 16:13, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CHEAP. Redirects aren't just for incoming links but also to help as search aids. Since it is mentioned at target and it's, as far as I known, unambiguous. If Cosmopolitan Soccer League (the original target of this redirect) is updated with all the current teams to include NYPD FC, I'd suggest retargeting there since it is more specific. Skynxnex (talk) 15:28, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * nypd fc wouldnt pass notability critieria imo so its not helpful not have as it can confuss people more than help them Michael H (talk) 17:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Skynxnex. Mentioned in article. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * mentions in articles are not by itself a reaoson for a page/redirect Michael H (talk) 17:00, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * They are based on my reading of WP:RFD. Being mentioned in an article is also a fairly common justification for keeping a redirect. This is established precedence. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:16, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per spirit of WP:REDYES/WP:RFD. There is virtually nothing about this club in the current target, and requires the reader to use "ctrl+F" to find it (or they would have to read the entire article). Better to let search handle it so the context of the mention is clearer. A7V2 (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk) 17:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - the only information Wikipedia has on this amateur club is found at the current target; it's a useful search term. Difficulty finding it within the article is not a reason for deletion. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ivanvector. GiantSnowman 13:35, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I think it's telling that no other club names redirect to this article. The extent of information about this club is what league they play in and what grounds; either of those places might also be a suitable target, the league in particular. However, neither of those articles mention the club. Thus, I find it very likely that a reader using this search term already knows at least as much as we could tell them. --BDD (talk) 16:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per BDD. Just because a page mentions the title of a redirect doesn’t mean it’s a good target. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep / refine to Soccer in the New York metropolitan area and delink there. Better than search results.  J947  † edits 10:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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Ticket to Bollywood
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . More than happy to restore if anyone wants to shepherd a draft. --BDD (talk) 15:42, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Ticket to Bollywood → Anand Tiwari (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Ticket to Bollywood (film)">Ticket to Bollywood (film) → Anand Tiwari (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Film title to director redirects for a title not named in the target article. These were created in 2014 as articles, then got redirected to the director in 2019 as there was still no reliably sourced evidence that this film had ever actually been released or even gone into production at all, and as of 2023 that evidence is still lacking. There's simply no point in hanging onto redirects for a film that's so dead that even the director's article doesn't deign to mention it at all anymore. If it ever does get completed and released, then we can start a new article when that happens. Bearcat (talk) 13:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * I'm hesitant to delete something like this at RFD where there's an article in the history, but this wouldn't survive AFD. Ticket to Bollywood (TV series) should take the PTOPIC, whatever happens here – I'm slightly inclined to restore and AFD the current Ticket to Bollywood because of the history, while Ticket to Bollywood (film) has no good target and no history, and should probably be deleted as such. Swapping the TV series and undisambiguated articles could be done, but then we end up with a redirect with history that is completely unrelated, and that seems subpar. (Ticket to bollywood should be redirected to the TV series after this as well, that should be uncontroversial after everything, so I don't think it needs to be bundled.) Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  06:36, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Ticket to Bollywood (film) per Skarmory, old title of Ticket to Bollywood. Un-BLAR and Move Ticket to Bollywood to Draft:Ticket to Bollywood (film) where it will be deleted after 6 months if there are no updates. Move Ticket to Bollywood (TV series) to Ticket to Bollywood, and retarget Ticket to bollywood to Ticket to Bollywood per Skarmory. Jay  💬 08:48, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all, and move Ticket to Bollywood (TV series) to the PTOPIC, without prejudice to a REFUND request for the draft in the history. I fail to see the point in draftifying, since that just ensures a G13 deletion months down the line, and my usual rule for past article history is to pretend that the BLAR-er had PRODed instead, which would have worked since nobody has supported the existence of the article in over 3 years. Does this work for you? * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...  19:02, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I assumed the film is being worked upon in which case there could be regular updates. Now I tried looking for information and while I found nothing new, I found reports dating from 2015. If draftified, I would be interested to add Production information related to the previous cast and director. Jay  💬 05:38, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
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🛋️
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Transport and Map Symbols. Nominally no consensus, but a plurality of editors would appear to agree on this solution in the overlap between "keep with no problem redirecting somewhere else" and outright retarget !votes, as well as at least partially addressing the deletion concerns that find the current target inappropriate. signed,Rosguill talk 19:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="🛋️">🛋️ → Living room (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="🛋">🛋 → Living room (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The emoji represents a couch and a lamp. I don't think the character has a clear and definite meaning matching the target, as plenty of other rooms in a home or other space may have a couch and lamp. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 00:08, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I had the same thought, but the corresponding "🛋" character already redirected to Living room, so I went with the preexisting redirect. Enix150 (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware of that redirect. I've added it to the nomination, as the outcome is relevant to both redirects. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep with no problem redirecting to someplace else. Emojis are valid redirects and should not be kept just because the current target is incorrect. Worse case, redirect to the emoji block. Gonnym (talk) 06:14, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Gonnym: Do you have a suggestion on where to redirect these emojis? WP:REMOJI mentions that glyphs without a clear meaning are typically deleted, and I don't see a clear meaning in this case. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Emoji is still a valid option. Gonnym (talk) 21:49, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 16:10, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Furniture. There is no clear meaning in the emote (comfort/rest/relaxation/home/furniture), but it at least clearly depicts furniture. For the record, both redirects listed look identical for my system. &#8213; Synpath 21:00, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * see below. &#8213; Synpath 22:48, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as ambiguous and a very unlikely search term. Somebody searching this up on the enwiki search engine would only be doing so to find out what they get, not in any seriousness. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 17:47, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete per Edward-Woodrow. Unlikely search term. WP:REMOJI says that redirects like these are usually deleted if the glpyh is unclear or its meaning difficult to determine, which I believe 🛋️ and 🛋 qualify as. 〜 Askarion   ✉  13:21, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I read that too, but in practice every emoji currently has a redirect on Wikipedia. Enix150 (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But this one is clearly ambiguous. Just because every emoji has a redirect doesn't mean it should stay that way. Frankly, all redirects from emojis annoy me, because I feel that anyone searching them on enwiki is either a) doing it for fun to see what they get, or b) trying to find information about the emoji (like at 🙂). Either way, redirects like these aren't helping them. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:50, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per Askarion. --BDD (talk) 17:44, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep with no problem redirecting to someplace else. I believe that deleting this page would make it the only emoji without a redirect on Wikipedia. Enix150 (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So? Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Transport and Map Symbols, where the first glyph is listed, since what it signifies is ambiguous. I can't tell what's going on with the second one, when I search for it it shows me results for the first one. Retarget both, I guess. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the Transport and Map Symbols Unicode block as Ivanvector suggests. Getting info on the Unicode character and others grouped with it is better than nothing. &#8213; Synpath 22:48, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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Suimono
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 18%23Suimono

Rebecca Bettencourt
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 17%23Rebecca Bettencourt

806.4616.0110
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 16%23806.4616.0110

Mycroft Project
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Features of Firefox. (non-admin closure)  casualdejekyll  19:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Mycroft Project → Browser extension (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:47, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Never heard of Mycroft Project before. Since it's an unofficial repo for various browsers, and all the major browsers require extension signing by default (meaning have to install them from the official repos), I don't think it would be appropriate to add an exteranl link to it in the Browser extension article. So I would just Delete it. -Pmffl (talk) 15:59, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Features of Firefox . Did you even Google or WP search for this? seems OTT to list here. User:Pmffl - see that target, it was (don't know about now), an official part of Firefox.
 * Also Mycroft project. I retargeting it to Features of Firefox. Widefox ; talk 16:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The above solutions for the similar redirects look good. I have fixed the titular article with the same solution. Tks! Ancients and Antiques (talk) 19:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your changes and restored the original target. Please do not make any changes until a consensus is reached here. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I think that it should redirect to Features of Firefox. :) Ancients and Antiques (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
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Redirects ending with extraneous slashes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 08:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="James Allan (computer scientist)/">James Allan (computer scientist)/ → James Allan (computer scientist) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Steve Bentley/">Steve Bentley/ → Steve Bentley (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Bibi McGill/">Bibi McGill/ → Bibi McGill (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary redirects resulting from page moves, where the slashes have no affinity to the people in question. Unlike, for example, Genie (feral child, these redirects serve no navigational purpose and can be safely deleted. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 02:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per nom. These are WP:UNHELPFUL redirects. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:32, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete In general not helpful redirects. They're from page moves but all three existed for effectively no time so safe to delete. Skynxnex (talk) 21:33, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: the slashes make the redirects unhelpful. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 12:24, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all as unhelpful per everyone else. J I P  &#124; Talk 09:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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Coach lastname redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was mass deleted by Zzuuzz per CSD G5  . These pages were all created by the sockpuppet Garralaga. (non-admin closure) Duckmather (talk) 04:21, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Coach Alexander → William Alexander (American football) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Andersen → Gary Andersen (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Brooks → Rich Brooks (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Donovan → Billy Donovan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Foster → Bill Foster (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Fox → John Fox (American football) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Graves → Ray Graves (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Herman → Tom Herman (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Howard → Frank Howard (American football coach) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Jackson → Phil Jackson (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach James → Don James (American football) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Jones → Butch Jones (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Joseph → Vance Joseph (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Knight → Bob Knight (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach McCarthy → Mike McCarthy (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Moore → Joe Moore (American football coach) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Morris → Raheem Morris (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach O'Brien → Bill O'Brien (American football) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Reid → Andy Reid (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Richardson → Nolan Richardson (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Sanders → Deion Sanders (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Coach Scott → Jeff Scott (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous search terms which could refer to a number of different coaches. Based on a search of Category:Coaches by sport, there are these many coaches that this term could apply to:


 * Coach Alexander – 19
 * Coach Andersen – 16
 * Coach Brooks – 16
 * Coach Donovan – 15
 * Coach Foster – 19
 * Coach Fox – 15
 * Coach Graves – 15
 * Coach Herman – 16
 * Coach Howard – 19
 * Coach Jackson – 38
 * Coach James – 19
 * Coach Jones – 73
 * Coach Joseph – 15
 * Coach Knight – 17
 * Coach McCarthy – 19
 * Coach Moore – 38
 * Coach Morris – 20
 * Coach O'Brien – 19
 * Coach Reid – 19
 * Coach Richardson – 26
 * Coach Sanders – 18
 * Coach Scott – 32

I believe they should all be deleted. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all of them per nom. « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 14:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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