Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 13

December 13
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 13, 2023.

Fifth Arab–Israeli War
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 21%23Fifth Arab–Israeli War

M2102J20SG (vayu)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 21%23M2102J20SG (vayu)

Tupinology
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 20%23Tupinology

209 Woodland Drive
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 07:04, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * 209 Woodland Drive → Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter House (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A street address by itself is too vague to be a useful search term and too vague for a redirect to one single article. Drdpw (talk) 22:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC) Withdraw proposed deletion; clearly this is a useful redirect that ought not be deleted. Drdpw (talk) 04:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Why would it be too vague? Are there other notable properties with this address? This was the article title for a couple years, from creation until just last month. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, it is common practice to keep former titles as redirects. Especially long-term former titles. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: The only mention of said address on wikipedia is in reference to the Carter family. TartarTorte 23:21, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per all above. Thryduulf (talk) 23:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. The address name may be very common, but it is quite clearly well-associated with this property; the first results for "209 Woodland Drive" in Google are all sources that mention this house. Regardless, there are no mentions of a 209 Woodland Drive on Wikipedia that do not refer to this home. It also seems like a much more likely search term and wikilinking shorthand than typing out "Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter House".  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 03:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Monument station (MBTA)
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  Pond Street, delete the rest.  ✗  plicit  14:44, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no mention of a Monument station at the target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:45, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Monument station (MBTA) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Monument (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Relisted as a bundle with:
 * Saint Rose Street station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Child Street station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Carolina Avenue station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Seaverns Avenue station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pond Street station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Lakeville Road station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Robinwood Avenue station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Moraine Street station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Perkins Street station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Evergreen Street station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * VA Medical Center station (MBTA) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Bynner Street station → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

and with these variations:


 * VA Medical Center (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Seaverns Avenue (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Saint Rose Street (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Robinwood Avenue (MBTA station)">Robinwood Avenue (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pond Street (MBTA station)">Pond Street (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Perkins Street (MBTA station)">Perkins Street (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Moraine Street (MBTA station)">Moraine Street (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Lakeville Road (MBTA station)">Lakeville Road (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Evergreen Street (MBTA station)">Evergreen Street (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Child Street (MBTA station)">Child Street (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Carolina Avenue (MBTA station)">Carolina Avenue (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Bynner Street (MBTA station)">Bynner Street (MBTA station) → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Seaverns Avenue → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Saint Rose Street → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Robinwood Avenue → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pond Street → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Perkins Street → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Moraine Street → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Lakeville Road → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Child Street → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Carolina Avenue → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Bynner Street → Green Line E branch (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: relisted so that other redirects can be bundled, in accordance with editors' advice above. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete for lack of apparent mention anywhere. A couple of unreliable (user generated) sources indicate that the station was located at Monument Square in Jamaica Plain, but it it isn't mentioned there. Thryduulf (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Discuss as a group per below. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Discuss as a group. This redirect was the result of Articles for deletion/Bynner Street station, and all of those redirects should be discussed together. It was an odd situation where the stop names only ever appeared on a single map showing a planned restoration of service (which never happened), and it's unclear whether the same stops were used when the service previously ran. It's tricky because the map is still floating around, making these plausible search terms, but they're unlikely to appear in the article. I'm ambivalent whether the redirects are kept or deleted, but it should be consistent for all of them. If the decision is delete, note also that most of the redirects have several variants that can be found at Special:WhatLinksHere/Green Line E branch. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you up for making a nomination for all the redirects together? In which case you may close this as an involved close, and make the new nomination. Also pinging in case he wants to take this up, either by enhancing the current nomination and bundling, or as a new one.  Jay  💬 02:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jay: I don't have strong feelings either way, as I indicated above, so I might not be the best person to start the discussion. I can provide a list of all the relevant redirects if someone else wants to start the discussion. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Other redirects now added to discuss as a group, per and . Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all using the rationale at Articles for deletion/Bynner Street station, noting that without a mention at the current target, these redirects are confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ...less Pond Street, see below. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:14, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate Pond Street as there is Pond Street, Hampstead, Pond Street, Essex (mentioned at List of United Kingdom locations: Po-Poz) and Pond Street School. No comment on others. I will draft a DAB.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:17, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Or alternatively just move the Hampstead one to the base name.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that disambiguation page at Pond Street is useful, thank you . Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:14, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak delete all per my comment above, save for Pond Street per Crouch, Swale. While they're theoretically possible search terms, the uncertainty over whether there were ever stops by these names – and the resulting lack of mention of them at the redirect target – mean we're probably better off without these. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Two-dimensional space
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 * The result of the discussion was improper nomination  . WP:RFD is not a board for notifications regarding discussions occurring on WikiProject talk pages. It also is unhelpful to promote the potential for discussion to occur at two different venues per WP:DISCUSSFORK, even though the nominator clearly stated that was not their intent: Opening a discussion on any WP:XFD forum is literally opening a new discussion by their very nature. In addition, it's not clear if listing this on WP:RFD promoted any additional discussion due to readers seeing the nomination. If there is a determination that WP:RFD will be the only place to discuss this redirect, the redirect can be renominated without prejudice. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 23:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Two-dimensional space → Plane (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Formalizing ongoing discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics. Please discuss it there, not here -- thanks! (Clarifying the nomination is for redirect "Two-dimensional space" to be retargetted to dab page Two-dimensional space (disambiguation).) fgnievinski (talk) 03:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra (talk) 13:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * NOTE 2-space / 2-dimensional space redirects have different targets from this one and are now also on RfD -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 06:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Endemic flower of Azerbaijan- Khari-bulbul
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 12:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Endemic flower of Azerbaijan- Khari-bulbul → Ophrys sphegodes subsp. taurica (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete: the plant is not endemic to Azerbaijan and there is already a redirect at the vernacular name Khari-bulbul. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete given that Khari-bulbul exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:47, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above; also an unlikely search term. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 18:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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Samsung Galaxy A22
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 18:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Samsung Galaxy A22 → Samsung Galaxy A series (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

deletion to replace it with an actual article about the said phone — Preceding unsigned comment added by RM12 (talk • contribs)
 * You can just write an article (there's no need to delete it here). Blank the page, and go ahead. Cheers, Cremastra (talk) 13:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I moreso think the nominator wants there to be a WP:REDLINK to encourage article creation. The nominator does not have article writing experience. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. Not a valid deletion rationale. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 23:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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PESO Model™
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="PESO Model™">PESO Model™ → PESO model (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No-one is going to type in PESO Model superscript TM Tagishsimon (talk) 09:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Tagishsimon Agree. Mcrumbine (talk) 10:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is an R from move, but the article was at this title for 5 minutes: move 1, move 2. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  10:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Anyone searching for the model is likely to type the name and will get a search result before they go for the TM character. Plus common usage is without the trademark symbol (except, of course, on its creator's website). Oblivy (talk) 14:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Speedy delete. The page move was less than a month ago and was only there for ~5 minutes. I don't love tagging pages with a CSD template while an XfD is underway but I think it'd be fine. Per nom and the page mover. Skynxnex (talk) 14:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC) 14:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What criterion do you think this matches? It certainly isn't R3 as while this may or may not be useful it isn't implausible. Thryduulf (talk) 23:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I was thinking WP:G6/Db-error since the person who moved the page moved it 5 minutes later and if at that time they had tagged it with that, my impression is that an admin would delete it. Skynxnex (talk) 15:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If the person moving the page had tagged it for G6, then it would likely have been deleted, as it would be unquestionably a mistake. However the edit summaries do not unambiguously support it being moved to this title in error. Thryduulf (talk) 22:51, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes, I can see that looking again. I'll amend my !vote to delete, partly since the original page mover agrees with the nom and I don't think we really want redirects with ™ to proliferate as a general rule. Skynxnex (talk) 14:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Libry
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 05:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Libry → Library (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Mm... unsure about this one. I can imagine that library is definitely a tricky word to spell, and unlike "hoard", typos I can see being common and therefore it would be good to account for those.

...but out of all of those, libry? I feel like anyone familiar with the word could at least get a bit more letters than that. At this point, it can be argued that "Libry" is closer in size, letters, AND sound to Lbry instead of Library. For such a short word, missing two of the 7 letters is dooming to reach a longer target. (If two letters off of a 12 letter word, that's more understandable and forgiving.) Utopes (talk / cont) 07:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Delete or retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to LBRY, "Libry" sounds more similar to LBRY than Library. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 14:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to LBRY per SouthParkFan2006 -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:17, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete potential misspelling of multiple things (e.g. libri in addition to everything else mentioned); correct spelling of nothing notable. Showing search results also means that the Wiktionary entry appears in the sidebar, so searchers can find the correct spelling of the word library if needed. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 01:14, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete since this is evidently ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as a WP:XY typo. I'll also throw in Libru as being easily typo'd with y being next to u on a standard QWERTY keyboard, even though it's quite unlikely given the amount of views it gets. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  20:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Skarmory.  141 Pr  {contribs} 16:49, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or retarget to LBRY. Even though LBRY is based on libraries it seems a more sensible target than a misspelling.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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Poopposting
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . The nomination itself is mostly reasonable, but the "Delete" comments have either been refuted or made vague "per above" references. (non-admin closure) Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 02:28, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Poopposting → Shitposting (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Moved to this page undiscussed for 30 minutes before quickly reverting back. While it may make sense to equate "shit" to "poop" in the title as equal words, there is no indication that "poopposting" is a real phrase and not made up one day through means of social media tags alone. Wikipedia is not censored, yet I have a hard time that believing if it WAS, people still wouldn't be using this made-up phrase that appears nowhere in this article (or much anywhere on the internet for that matter) to get to the target they intend. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * support deletion per "who calls it that?"  cogsan (give me attention)  (see my deeds) 11:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, term doesn't exist. Not even Wiktionary has an entry on "Poopposting". SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 14:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a real word. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per all above. Toadette  (Happy holiday!) 18:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * (Strong) Keep as harmless. Some people might expect Wikipedia to be censored. Or they might habitually censor themselves. Regardless, it is an innocent r from incorrect name. Cremastra (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm the one who undid the move by User:Silencelikeacancergrows, and I warned them for having made it. The redirect is a result of vandalism and should be deleted. Meters (talk) 03:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cremastra; I don't think any of the other commenters here bothered to do their homework. It's pretty standard these days to self-censor on many websites because of aggressive algorithmic censorship, and just plain old harassment; c.f. seggs, unalive, and so on. Just substituting letters with similar characters in your swear words doesn't cut it any more, and some very popular websites are known for banning and/or removing accounts for single infractions. Wikipedia doesn't of course, it's patently absurd, but I understand why someone would not want to take the chance. Replacing "shit" with "poop" , or doing so intentionally because of the aforementioned censorship, is absolutely a plausible "error", and while the move shouldn't have been done without discussion it was a long way from vandalism. See also Urban Dictionary and Reddit. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:44, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree. While the redirect itself may not be vandalism, moving the original article to the virtually unknown term "shitposting" was indeed an unconstructive edit. Meters (talk) 21:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * And I fundamentally disagree with you. It was ill-advised but there is a world of difference between being a bit too WP:BOLD and vandalism. Thryduulf (talk) 22:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The circumstances under which the redirect were created, as Skarmory said below, don't matter. Cremastra (talk) 21:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ivanvector. In addition to their excellent comment, someone may see the term on a website that does censor and look it up here wanting to know what it is. Such a person may or may not be familiar with shitposting either as a thing or as a term. Thryduulf (talk) 19:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Cremastra, Ivanvector & Thryduulf as an R from incorrect name. A useful, plausible, search term that engages K3. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  09:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a harmless R from incorrect name, per the self-censoring reasons given above. Can't say much about the circumstances it was created under, but they're irrelevant now. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  20:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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Team room
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus, disambiguate  . No consensus between deleting and dabbing, consensus against keeping. (non-admin closure)  Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 16:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Team room → Changing room (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at target. Was previously a disambiguation page that was rightly deleted as G14 as none of the entries there mentioned the term either. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 06:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Just a descriptive phrase used in various walks of life and having no notability. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 11:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate, has multiple meanings, such as Microsoft teams rooms, Changing rooms...etc. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 14:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete generic term for a room for a team. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 06:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Dabify to

-- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:39, 12 December 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Delete or disambiguate? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 07:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * A type of Office workspace
 * A part of a Field house
 * An Engineering military term
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 * Delete: use Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per Lenticel (but also include locker room). Search results will not help readers find the content they are looking for: Results for team room are completely irrelevant, mostly just articles that happen to include both words somewhere in them, searching for "team room" is only trivially better - Office is the 9th result, everything else is articles about specific buildings or institutions that have a team room or in one case a room where a notable member of the US Skiing team lived as an undergraduate. Thryduulf (talk) 00:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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LIst of FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship qualifications (AVC)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 20%23LIst of FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship qualifications (AVC)

Category:2020 World Para Athletics European Championships
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 05:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * [[Category:2020 World Para Athletics European Championships]] → Category:2021 World Para Athletics European Championships (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary redirect; not an R from category navigation; impedes category navigation on both sides, creating duplicate links  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  23:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: (Vote changed: see conversation below) The event was originally supposed to take place in 2020 and this seemed to have not been moved because category moves are restricted far more than page moves. It seems like it's largely harmless and I can see more benefit than drawback from this, especially in the future if someone is navigating the World Para Athletics European Championships categories as from 2012 the event was biennial, until the 2020 COVID postponement.  <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 02:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * yes, article redirects from 2020 -> 2021 make sense, but the category redirect does not. If someone is navigating the categories from the articles, there are no links to the 2020 category anyway, and once they do get to the categories, they'll find strange links to 2020 on 2018 and 2021 that do not, and will not ever, correspond to any articles contained in that year:


 * ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 15:22, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I saw your response a bit ago and started doing research but forgot to reply. It would be rather nice if there was a way to indicate somehow that Category:2020 World Para Athletics European Championships could be excluded from the csn, but from my recollection of my research last week, I could not find a way for that to be possible. With that, I reluctantly support deletion as messing up the nav is worse than the benefits that could come from the few people who are trying to type in "Category:2020 World Para Athletics European Championships" into the search bar to try to find Category:2021 World Para Athletics European Championships. I'll strike my vote above and change to delete. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 14:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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List of Commonly Used Queer Acronyms
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 * The result of the discussion was draftify old content  . This is a slightly unusual close, but I think it follows logically from what's been said below. There is unanimous consensus that this redirect is not suitable. At the same time, Thryduulf objects to deletion of the old content, and a single person's objection is enough to get a page restored when it was deleted non-controversially. Rather than delete here and have this draftified at REFUND, I'm cutting out the middle man. From Draft:List of Commonly Used Queer Acronyms, Thryduulf and any other users will have the opportunity to improve the content and find a more appropriate title. Or if someone wants to move it straight back to mainspace, they can do that too; this should be treated like a contested PROD in that case, with AfD as the next step. --  Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 05:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * List of Commonly Used Queer Acronyms → LGBT (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

While there are queer acronyms discussed at the target page, to my understanding there is no quote unquote list as described by this redirect's title. This was originally a standalone article before being BLAR'd into this page, although I don't know whether this redirect is useful to begin with, as I don't think this is an exact title that would be sought for on Wikipedia, and pointing at the general LGBT article with no modification I feel would be less than helpful if the search term was this specific. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Revert as a contested BLAR. Questions about whether the content is useful and if so what the title should be are not matters for RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've looked at the content that was blanked to make the redirect and it's no good at all. Even if we wanted a List of Commonly Used Queer Acronyms this would not be where we would start. I think I can see the logic behind the redirect, i.e. to match the redirect on LGBT (acronym), but it would probably have been better deleted than redirected. If anybody thinks that it is worth saving then a revert and an AfD would be the way to go but I don't see that ending in anything other than deletion so let's just cut that corner and get rid of it. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The point is that cutting corners is contrary to policy which states that articles to be deleted (which don't meet a speedy deletion criterion) are discussed at AfD. RfD is not AfD and should not be used to delete article content. Whether you would personally start with this content is irrelevant. Thryduulf (talk) 20:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete, agreeing with DanielRigal. WP:BLAR stipulates that AfD should be used if editors cannot agree on the blank-and-redirect itself. There is no such disagreement in this instance—there has been no one that has made an argument for keeping the article content—thus no contested BLAR. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Nobody has been given the opportunity to comment on the article content, but since you insist on making things explicit: I support keeping the article content, at least until it has been discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 00:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Editors have been given over a week so far to comment on the edit history and decide it's keepworthiness. For example, DanielRigal and myself have done just that. (Also, anyone could have challenged the BLAR since it was actioned several months ago.) You have not made an argument for keeping the article content, your argument is simply to send it to AfD—that's not the same thing. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Editors have been invited to discus the redirect, they have not been made aware there is content to evaluate unless they come to this discussion about the redirect. Anyone could have challenged the BLAR... if they knew about it, which they most likely did not. Just because you disagree with my reasons for keeping the article content does not mean I have not made an argument for keeping it. The deletion policy does not permit us to delete article content at RfD, and we should not be doing so. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * From the very beginning of this discussion, editors have been aware of the edit history and they can make their own recommendations about what they feel should happen to it. Because this is a redirect, should there be consensus to delete it at 'redirects for discussion', it can and should be deleted here. There's no need to bring AfD into this unless there is actually disagreement on the article content. And no, you have not made an argument for why this content should be kept. -- Tavix ( talk ) 12:55, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Only those who have chosen to look at this discussion about a redirect are aware that content is being discussed - nowhere is that advertised. Also, there is disagreement on the article content: I believe it should be restored for evaluation in accordance with policy, you don't. What I don't understand is how you can state that I haven't made an argument that the content should be kept when I've explicitly said it should be kept multiple times and explained why on each occasion. Thryduulf (talk) 14:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If you feel the discussion should be advertised elsewhere, you are free to do so. I will point out that the discussion is already being advertised in much the same way as it would if it was at AfD, such as WikiProject Gender studies. The article content already is being evaluated in accordance with policy, given the fact that it is under a redirect and is being discussed at the proper deletion forum for redirects. Please provide a rationale for keeping this list at AfD. You have not done this—your argument is simply for reverting in the interest of an AfD !vote. I do not support 'revert and send to AfD' !votes unless there is actually an argument to keep the article content itself. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as misleading redirect - there is no such list at the target. Also, I see the creation of this list as WP:POINTY, as the creator's earlier Commonly used queer acronyms three months prior, with the same content as this, was similarly BLARd. Editors desirous of restoring the content may want to bring that to AfD instead, and if the outcome is to keep, move it to a proper title such as List of LGBT acronyms. Jay  💬 06:23, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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Patrick Chen
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 20%23Patrick Chen

File:Annavaram poster.jpg
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 06:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * [[File:Annavaram poster.jpg]] → File:Annavaram film poster.jpg (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Annavaram refers to the town, the film is not the primary topic. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  05:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT. Steel1943  (talk) 07:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT, as an R from move. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  09:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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File:Khaidi poster.jpg
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 06:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * [[File:Khaidi poster.jpg]] → File:Khaidi 1983 poster.jpg (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Ambiguous, as there are other titles listed at Khaidi. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  05:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT. Steel1943  (talk) 07:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT, as an R from move. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  09:02, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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CAT:Ahmadiyya stubs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  14:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * CAT:Ahmadiyya stubs → Category:Ahmadiyya stubs (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The only XNR of this format that points to a particular category of stubs. This fully spelled name more-or-less defeats the purpose of it being a shortcut to begin with. There are zero similar XNRs to this, and no reason to justify the existence of an "CAT" page in article-space for this purpose. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: pointless XNR. Cremastra (talk) 13:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: costly and unnecessary WP:XNR. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 18:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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CAT:LYOKO
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Complex / Rational  14:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Another unnecessary XNR into category space and unlikely to be preferable over searching for the actual category. CAT redirects should typically be reserved for maintenance categories that would benefit from a XNR and otherwise be generally discouraged. In this case, the cat title does not match the category itself, and is the only one in this set that does not refer to a geo topic. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * CAT:LYOKO → Category:Code Lyoko (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Delete looks like a maintenance category.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:25, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as a WP:XNR this redirect is costly and there is no good reason to keep it. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 18:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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CAT:ETHIOPIA etc.
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * CAT:ETHIOPIA → Category:Ethiopia (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * CAT:NAHUATL → Category:Nahuatl (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * CAT:NICARAGUA → Category:Nicaragua (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * CAT:OAXACA → Category:Oaxaca (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * CAT:SOTHO → Category:Sotho (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * CAT:TEGUCIGALPA → Category:Tegucigalpa (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * CAT:TENOCHTITLAN → Category:Tenochtitlan (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * CAT:TSWANA → Category:Tswana (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Another round of unnecessary XNRs into category space and unlikely to be preferable over searching for the actual category. CAT redirects should typically be reserved for maintenance categories that would benefit from a XNR and otherwise be generally discouraged. (Bundling this group per recommendation.) Utopes (talk / cont) 03:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete looks like a maintenance category.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:25, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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AIADMK(OPS)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 06:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="AIADMK(OPS)">AIADMK(OPS) → AIADMK (OPS) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB. Creator has been disruptively attempting to create an article at this title when it already exists at AIADMK (OPS). No reason for this implausibly spaced title to exist. <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 03:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:COSTLY. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as RDAB. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it only existed for a few minutes a few days ago and should have been deleted under A10.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:27, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 18:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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Automotive strategy consultant
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 20%23Automotive strategy consultant