Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 14

December 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 14, 2023.

2012 World Series of Poker Online
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  00:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * 2012 World Series of Poker Online → World Series of Poker (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not discussed at target article; there does not seem to be a 2012 online version of this series. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See also Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 11. Thryduulf (talk) 03:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't know whether there was a 2012 event or not, but Wikipedia has no coverage of online World Series of Poker events prior to 2020. Thryduulf (talk) 03:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Subsidence model
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  . CSD G7 Liz Read! Talk! 08:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Subsidence model → Subsidence model of atoll formation (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect created today by me, but other subsidence models are likely in other areas such as sinkholes, nuclear explosions, etc. Facts707 (talk) 22:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If your intention is that this should be deleted, just tag it for WP:G7. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks. Facts707 (talk) 08:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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Naby
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 22%23Naby

Alternatives to Fist Strikes
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 21%23Alternatives to Fist Strikes

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (upcoming video game)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (upcoming video game) → The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (2023 video game) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete in the spirit of WP:UFILM. Subject was released almost 4 months ago, page views are virtually nonexistent. Steel1943 (talk) 20:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:27, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. It appears the redirect got exactly 0 views between late April and this nomination so it is unambiguously no longer required. Thryduulf (talk) 03:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, Lenticel, and Thryduulf. Why would it still be "upcoming" if it's already been released, and the redirect has essentially zero pageviews? Regards, SONIC  678  07:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * In answer to your first question, what happens is the article is created at a title with "upcoming" before the subject has a (confirmed) release date and is moved when release is confirmed/happens. Because not everybody finds out about this immediately and it takes a while for links to be updated, etc. we leave the redirect in place while people are still using it so they can find the content they are looking for. How long that takes varies, with some being abandoned after only a couple of days and others retaining utility for many months (although most are between these extremes). Thryduulf (talk) 10:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above as an 'upcoming'-type redirect which has stopped getting pageviews. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 18:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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OTCA
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep  * Pppery * it has begun...  20:53, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


 * OTCA → Amazon Cooperation Treaty Organization (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This abbreviation is completely in reverse. No reason I can find for this construction this way. Searching it on Google gave no results for this acronym, besides "ACTO" and a number of local results for me that also went by OTCA. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:51, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Further thoughts on hatnoting or disambiguating? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk!</b> 19:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment it's the Spanish (es:Organización del Tratado de Cooperación Amazónica) and Portuguese (pt:Organização do Tratado de Cooperação Amazônica) acronyms for the organisation. Given that most of the signatory states use those two languages, the organisation's website uses the same acronym: https://otca.org/en/ 59.149.117.119 (talk) 10:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per the IP. The organisation is the first hit for me on google, and the only one with a Wikipedia article. The other results on the first page being a non-notable UK company, a school in Greater Manchester, a community association in Oxford and a unit cell (that may or many not be the same sort of unit cell as that article, as I don't understand either). Thryduulf (talk) 12:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm fine with wrapping this up as kept then, as this is a valid case based on this finding. Although, now I'm leaning towards hat-noting or disambiguation, because there's also Over-the-counter analgesics and Ohio High School Athletic Association (Ohio Tennis Coaches Association, but Oklahoma also has one), as well as some other possibilities. My results are mainly local, some of which do have mentions on WP, but aren't as substantial. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Disambiguate I have also encountered the abbreviation OTCA for Life-like cellular automaton. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 03:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I attempted a dab draft at the redirect to get this discussion moving, but not with the examples from this discussion, as I didn't find any of them as valid entries. No opinion on a primary topic, hence this may be a hatnoted as well. Jay  💬 17:10, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I prefer a hatnote, as my searches still fail to find nothing encyclopaedic other than the current target when searching only for the acronym strongly indicating it is the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 21:27, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as is. In my opinion, the other uses are too minor for even a hatnote. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf and Tavix. While other uses of this abbreviation do exist, it seems like a reach even to warrant a hatnote for any of them, and this is clearly the common abbreviation for this organisation in the languages of most of the nations that actually compose it. I have added a Portuguese translation to the intro to more clearly illustrate the use of "OTCA". ~ mazca  talk 16:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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Tenties
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 17:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Tenties → 2010s (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Looks like an entirely made up WP:NEO. While it probably garners some usage as a substitute for "teens" of 10-19 (right below "twenties"), in my mind it couldn't possibly be only referring to the 2010s. Utopes (talk / cont) 09:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Still not entirely clear what should be done with this redirect… Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Contrary to the nominator's speculation, this is used not too infrequently and, in almost all cases, refers to the 2010s. There are occasional uses for the 1910s, which will be best served by a hatnote, and even fewer random uses (such as a non-notable tent manufacturer/retailer/enthusiast group, I can't work out quite what). Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It definitely gets used a lot especially in British English, on about the same level as Noughties And I'm not sure what else it could refer to - tents perhaps? The 1910s get referred to by names such as the "First World War decade".  The terms Nineties and Twenties each refer to both the 1890s and 1990s and the 1920s and 2020s. There are plenty of older sources using terms such as fifities, sixties, seventies and eighties to refer to the relevant decades of the1800s.Romomusicfan (talk) 16:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate for the 1910s, 2010s, and whatever else uses it -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 06:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ... if anyone uses it for 1910s or 1810s or whatever. It definitely gets used for 2010s. Utopes (talk / cont) appears to contend that it is not used at all! As the original poster of the redirect I am disqualified from a counted vote on this but am free to comment. Naturally I stand by that it overwhelmingly refers to the 2010s. There are by all means other decade labels that are actively used at present for more than one decade - the Twenties meaning both now and the "Roaring Twenties", the Nineties still evoking both the 1990s and the Naughty Nineties. The Noughties and Tenties refer exclusively to the first two decades of the 2000s (century), the equivalent decades of the 1900s (century) largely being called other names relating to the British monarch or the World War that predominated each decade. Romomusicfan (talk) 09:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * My earlier research showed that the clear primary topic is the 2010s, a hatnote will be sufficient for any uses of other decades (1910s was the only one I found, but they were very occasional relative to 2010s). Thryduulf (talk) 11:07, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Not common, but as there are a few refs, I've added a couple and included it in the lead and created a Nicknames section. I'm not sure there's any clear consensus about any of the names, but it doesn't do any harm to keep it there, and I can't see any other usage for the term, without digging much deeper at least. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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List of things named after King Faisal
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to King Faisal.  Jay  💬 17:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * List of things named after King Faisal → List of things named after Saudi kings (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Faisal of Saudi Arabia is not the only King Faisal to have had things named after him. In fact, there is a Wikipedia section on things named after King Faisal II of Iraq. Silcox (talk) 06:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Disambiguate or retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 19:47, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig. There is no primary topic for King Faisal so there is exceedingly unlikely to be for this title, we have at least two articles this could refer to so disambiguation seems best. Thryduulf (talk) 12:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to King Faisal. There's no need for a separate disambiguation page. The nom's section has only oone, non-notable, entry. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Retarget to King Faisal, which already disambiguates anything the readers might be looking for, so no need for a separate disambiguation page. Left guide (talk) 04:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
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Meylișah Meleksima Hatun
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete  as a broken redirect.  ✗  plicit  14:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Meylișah Meleksima Hatun">Meylișah Meleksima Hatun → Meylişah Meleksima Hatun (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

ș is a Romanian diacritic, and ş is the Turkish one. This is a Turkish biography. This redirect is inappropriate. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 18:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: given they look so similar, its a plausible misspelling to make. In any case, it's harmless. Cremastra (talk) 21:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Socking
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 22%23Socking

26th Century Fox
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:54, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * 26th Century Fox → Alita: Battle Angel (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A logo variation used for this film changes the 20th Century Fox logo to 26th Century Fox to indicate the setting of the film, but this is not mentioned at the target article and is not plot related at all. I am RedoStone (talk) 14:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is far from the only time variations of this sort of have been done (I've seen it at least twice, and I haven't seen this film. I want to say Futurama did it, but that's a guess). If we have any content discussing variations of the logo then this would make a good redirect to it, but I haven't found anything relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This redirect was created following a request and discussion here. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  23:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Terror Twins
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 21%23Terror Twins

Amery railway station
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  .  Jay  💬 10:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Amery railway station → Winnipeg–Churchill train (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention in the target article Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This has history as an article, with that content now in the history of Amery station which was BLARed to the target article. However the content should have been merged rather than simply redirected. Thryduulf (talk) 10:37, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep now content has been added per Mackensen below. Thryduulf (talk) 14:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've added a list of stations to the article, including Amery. Mackensen (talk) 12:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you for that. I suggest changing the target to Winnipeg–Churchill train for clarity. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God!
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 22%23Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God!

Fictional history
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate  . I've used the terms suggested by OlifanofmrTennant. --  Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 07:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Fictional history → Historical fiction (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This does not always mean "historical fiction". I think this should just be deleted as vague, but if not, it ought to be disambiguated. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. The current target is definitely wrong, but I'm not sure what would be better. My first thought was possibly backstory but that feels incomplete. Origin story also exists, but that's a subtopic of backstory so definitely too specific. Thryduulf (talk) 05:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 06:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate I think that all the potential meanings that it should be disambiguated. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Disambiguate with the terms Alternate history, Counterfactual history, Pseudohistory, Origin story, and Backstory. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate per InfiniteNexus. I initially though alternate history stories. Cremastra (talk) 21:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Anthuriumacaule
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . --  Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 07:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Anthuriumacaule → Anthurium acaule (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Missing a space, not a very plausible search term. Created as a draft and moved from draft space to article space by a blocked editor. Plantdrew (talk) 05:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom.
 * Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:46, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom. Tom Radulovich (talk) 03:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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AlliumPyrenaicum
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:13, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * AlliumPyrenaicum → Allium pyrenaicum (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Missing a space and miscapitalized. Plantdrew (talk) 03:11, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom.
 * Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:45, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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