Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 22

December 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 22, 2023.

Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God!
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) 🎄Cremastra 🎄 (talk) 14:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! Oh Man! Oh God! → Tough Guys Don't Dance (film) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The phrase of "Oh Man! Oh God!" is mentioned once in this article, and appears with the description that "it was famous for the repetition of this phrase". I find it to be implausible that someone would write all ten sentences to reach this destination. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I would have said to delete as this redirect seems implausible and is also unhelpful, but it has regularly been getting pageviews (averaging around 1 per day) for some unknown reason. I would appreciate if someone discovered the reason and whether it makes this redirect worth keeping. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 19:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If I had to guess, it's people searching "Oh Man Oh God", since this is the only result in the searchbar. I would assume having Oh Man! Oh God! would work just as well, though I can't say for sure. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  16:32, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per previous discussions. Redirects of trivial quotes are unhelpful to readers. And it's way too long for anyone to plausibly type in the search bar anyway. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:18, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above on being a trivial quote and excessively long (and maybe send this title to WP:DAFT if this gets deleted). Xeroctic (talk) 16:37, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Just silly. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm all for deleting redirects from quotes that are never mentioned, but this is mentioned, and redirects are cheap, and while this is a long quote it doesn't seem absurd that someone might type it out, never mind the question of whether there are any off-wiki backlinks to it. The occasional pageview spikes suggest that something is driving traffic to this redirect for one reason or another. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 21:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * FYI, ahrefs pulls no backlinks. SkarmoryAlt (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Empirically, it got a spike of usage unrelated to this RfD. Maybe it was posted in a group-chat somewhere. Maybe it was e-mailed around. We don't really need to figure out who's used it and why. Per WP:R and 5 there is a strong presumption of keeping redirects that people have found useful (which we know is the case) and that are linked elsewhere (which may well have been the case). There are some reasons we still might delete such a redirect, but no strong reasons have been given here. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 05:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's an accurate rendition of the line in the film, and likely to be unique given the length. It also gets some level of usage and gets readers to where they want to get to. Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep on the condition that we elaborate upon it/source it – the line in the article in which this is mentioned is currently uncited (which is concerning), but some research does in fact prove that this line is quite infamous: Far Out Magazine (an RS) has an entire article on it; Vanyaland (source looks good) mentions it; Know Your Meme (though not an RS per se) has an entry on it; Justin Bozung in Norman Mailer in Context (ISBN 9781108477666) by Cambridge University Press (page 98) says: "The film's Tim Madden experiences a psychological reality in the much lampooned "Oh God, Oh man" sequence - the scene is the apex of Mailer's cinema"; and many more. As for the concerns that this is too long or implausible, compare redirects like Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night. (6 valid page views) and A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti (8 page views). This does appear to be a valid search term/"copypasta", and having this redirect is good SEO to help people typing this into the search bar to find this film's Wikipedia article.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Genderphobia
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12%23Genderphobia

Bedrock Detroit
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 30%23Bedrock Detroit

Gumby "Fun Special" redirects
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 12%23Gumby "Fun Special" redirects

Peter Baker (Neighbours)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Peter Baker (Neighbours) → List of Neighbours characters (2001) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete: there is no content on Wikipedia regarding this minor character, who appeared in 1993, not 2001. There is no 1993 list of Neighbours characters article to move the redirect target to. U-Mos (talk) 22:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator's rationale.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Dark Orange Line (New Jersey Transit)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Dark Orange Line (New Jersey Transit)">Dark Orange Line (New Jersey Transit) → Montclair-Boonton Line (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The Montclair-Boonton Line's color is pink, not orange. Also per rationales below. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 21:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Its color is not pink, it's maroon, as a reference to the livery of the Erie Lackawanna that previously operated the line (all of NJT's line colors are based on the history of the respective line). Regardless Delete for the same reason as below: implausible redirect created by indeffed sock of LTA user. oknazevad (talk) 23:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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Dark Yellow Line (Metra)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Dark Yellow Line (Metra)">Dark Yellow Line (Metra) → Milwaukee District West Line (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per rationales below. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 21:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for the same reason as below: implausible redirect created by indeffed sock of LTA user. oknazevad (talk) 23:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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Dark Orange Line (Metra)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Dark Orange Line (Metra)">Dark Orange Line (Metra) → Milwaukee District North Line (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per rationale for "Dark Green Line" below. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 21:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete for the same reason as below: implausible redirect created by indeffed sock of LTA user. oknazevad (talk) 23:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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Dark Green Line (Metra)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Dark Green Line (Metra)">Dark Green Line (Metra) → Union Pacific North Line (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This seems implausible. While tourists and those unfamiliar with the system may definitely search for train routes using the colors depicted on timetables and maps, I can't imagine anyone using the qualifiers in their search queries. People will search for just "Green Line", "Green Line Chicago", or some variant thereof. Nobody would specifically type "Dark Green Line" into the search box, because people don't speak that way either. Regardless of the shade of the color, it's still the same color, especially when referring to the subject by color is technically incorrect anyway. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 21:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete implausible redirect created by indeffed sock of LTA user. oknazevad (talk) 23:49, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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📗
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Green Book. The discovery of analogues emoji redirects for Orange Book and Blue Book has swayed !votes in favor of color-coding despite an early lead for keeping this redirect generic. signed,Rosguill talk 14:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * <span id="📗">📗 → Book (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(WP:BRD) This emoji has the Unicode name "Green Book" (see Emojipedia), so Green Book would be the more precise target. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Green book per nom. I don't understand the reason why this is controversial at all. Thryduulf (talk) 04:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * KeepThe point is that Green book" is a disambiguation page. Due to the use of this Unicode character in templates, you get a whole new series of troubles. I have no problems with retargetting to "book" again, as it was before colleague Feminist decided to change it to "Green book". To solve the issues with templates, I changed the target to "Green Book (Unicode character)", what is rather factual. That was not appreciated and the redirect was reverted to the original "Book". Why this was followed by a deletion nomination is unclear to me. An issue with toes? Point is that the change to "Green book" was undiscussed. I prefer retargetting to "Green Book (Unicode character)" but I can live with the present target to "Book". The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 12:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a nomination to retarget not to delete. As neither Green Book (Unicode character) nor Green book (Unicode character) exist, they are unsuitable as redirect targets. I don't understand what "troubles" redirecting a unicode character to a disambiguation you are referring to - such redirects are not uncommon. Thryduulf (talk) 13:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Maintenance bots asking for links to disambiguation pages to be fixed (i.e. changed to normal articles) The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 13:40, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We should always fix bots to deal with the encyclopaedia as it exists, rather than fix the encyclopaedia to make life easier for bots and/or their operators. In this case the disambiguation page is clearly the better target for readers wanting information about what the emoji is/represents, if that upsets a bot then so be it. Thryduulf (talk) 13:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * But that disambiguation page gives no information about the unicode character. It is effectively a link into nothing. The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 15:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a book that is green, it's not a Green Book (ie: one of the specific titles listed at the disambiguation page). Therefore, book is a related topic for the emoji, but Green Book is not. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Tavix. Cremastra (talk) 13:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Even for such a straightforward one, this illustrates my general frustration with emoji redirects. This is obviously a book, yes, but it's also a green book. It could be a diary. It could be a novel. It could be a ledger. (And hey, from a certain point of view, this is not a book.) But as long as we're going to cater to emoji redirects, this one is pointing where it should. --BDD (talk) 21:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Green Book per nom. The emoji is named "Green Book emoji". Enix150 (talk) 03:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tavix. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I would like to mention Orange Book (📙) and Blue Book (📘) and also posit that these redirects could potentially be helpful to colourblind viewers. Enix150 (talk) 12:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Those emoji redirect to Orange Book and Blue book respectively. Thryduulf (talk) 12:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom & Thryduulf, and per the existence of emoji-books of different colours (as mentioned by Enix150). Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  12:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Still no consensus between keeping and retargeting. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:59, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to disambiguation page Green Book consistent with 📙 and 📘, notwithstanding any future RfD to bundle them together. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to Green Book. Steel1943  (talk) 21:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * In addition, for what it's worth, on my browser, the nominated redirect's image also has "Vol 2" stamped on it. And ... the blue book has "Vol 3" stamped on it and the orange book has "Vol 4" stamped on it. What's the deal? Steel1943  (talk) 21:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * According to emojipedia it's an "Easter egg (computing)" by Apple, with the red book being vol. 1, all by "John Appleseed" (not to be confused with Johnny Appleseed), which apparently was a pseudonym created by an Apple II developer for use as a placeholder name. Why the specific colour order it doesn't say. Thryduulf (talk) 21:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also ... the redirect 📕 exists. To me, that looks like a "red book" with "Vol 1" stamped on it, but Emojipedia calls it "Closed book". Steel1943  (talk) 21:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to disambiguation page Green Book per above + as this is the standard format that we use for most other emoji redirects.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Josh Wright(footballer)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Josh Wright(footballer)">Josh Wright(footballer) → Joshua Wright (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Josh Wright (footballer), is a redirect that targets the same page as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB as an unhelpful typo. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, non-controversial.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for less than an hour in 2007.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Shut It Down(song)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:46, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Shut It Down(song)">Shut It Down(song) → Shut It Down (song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Shut It Down (song), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 20:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB as an unhelpful typo. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, non-controversial.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for a few days in 2009.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Himalia(moon)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:46, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Himalia(moon)">Himalia(moon) → Himalia (moon) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Himalia (moon), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 20:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB as an unhelpful typo. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, non-controversial.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete although its existed since 2005 its always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Princeton(haircut)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 20:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Princeton(haircut)">Princeton(haircut) → Ivy League (haircut) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Princeton (haircut), is a redirect that targets the same page as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 20:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB as an unlikely typo. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, non-controversial.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete although its existed since 2013 its always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Murder of the Smith brothers
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Killing of Joseph Smith. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Murder of the Smith brothers → Susan Smith (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Far too vague a title. I believe I created a more appropriate redirect page titled Murders of Michael and Alexander Smith. This redirect was also created by a banned sock. Inexpiable (talk) 20:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Killing of Joseph Smith. When you look at the actual evidence, this event in the history of the Mormon church is by far the primary topic for this search term, and it's not an uncommon one either. A hatnote (to a disambiguation page) can be added to link any other notable crimes referred to by this title. Thryduulf (talk) 21:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Killing of Joseph Smith per above—that is a good point. A Google search produces said article as the first URL (in my browser) and there are many RS referring to this event as such, including JSTOR, the Religious Studies Center and several newspapers.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Lido(swimming pool)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Lido(swimming pool)">Lido(swimming pool) → Lido (swimming pool) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Lido (swimming pool), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Improbable typo. – Novem Linguae (talk) 21:29, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 06:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for about a minute in 2006.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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2014themovie
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 20:10, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * 2014themovie → Apollo Theatre (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else. The relationship between this title and the theatre is not clear. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 18:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator's rationale; hmm.. a very strange redirect indeed.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:33, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Pico SI Prefix
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  (non-admin closure)  Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 19:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Pico SI Prefix → Metric prefix (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Pointless implicit proliferation of redirects (we should not put in every imagined possible search for everything); that someone would think to enter this particular description but not "pico-" seems too rare to be helpful. —Quondum 01:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  05:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. If someone is looking for information about the pico SI prefix, it is plausible that they will type "Pico SI prefix". Redirects are cheap, and the potential "Pandora" situation here—comparable redirects for all other SI prefixes—isn't much of a Pandora's box at all. We should also create a sentence-case version, lowercasing the "p" in "prefix". -- Tamzin  &#91;<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>&#93; (they&#124;xe&#124;she) 04:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep. This is a completely logical search term for information that can be found at the target. WP:PANDORA is misleading nonsense - the existence or non-existence of one redirect does not make any difference on whether a different redirect should or should not exist and/or will or will not be created. Thryduulf (talk) 11:07, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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Socking
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 29%23Socking

Naby
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus  . Editors are divided between keep and disambiguation, with one editor opining that this discussion would be better handled as a WP:Requested move signed,Rosguill talk 13:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Naby → Naby Keïta (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not particularly convinced that any first name should redirect to a person, except for people of exceptional notability compared to the rareness of their name, such as Barack. In recent years we all think of the same man when we think "Donald", but that doesn't overwhelm the legacy of Donald Bradman, Donald Campbell, Donald Rumsfeld and Donald Duck. Naby seems to be quite a common name in West Africa per Naby (disambiguation). However, Google Books gives more results for Eden Naby, a scholar of the Assyrian people. Eden Naby appears to have decades of notability, even if the hoi polloi will recognise a fairly unremarkable footballer more. Google Books also shows "Naby" being used in other contexts as an alternative spelling for "Nabi", a fairly common Arab or Muslim name or title referring to a prophet. My suggestion is to delete this redirect and rename Naby (disambiguation) as purely Naby. The justification appears weak that this word is overwhelmingly likely to refer to Naby Keita. 5.151.105.236 (talk) 21:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Any further thoughts? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate, replace with disambiguation page -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 19:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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 * Keep, as seen |Naby_Sarr|Eden_Naby|Naby_Camara|Naby_Damba|Naby_Diarso|Naby_Soumah|Naby_Twimumu|Naby_Yattara here, the current target comprises 690 of the 735 daily page views for all the "Naby" entries combined, or 93.88%, so WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT applies. Left guide (talk) 04:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak disambiguate: Keita is PTOPIC by WP:PT1 but Edin is WP:PT2. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 18:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Procedural close. A RM may started for the move. Jay  💬 14:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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Robear
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 29%23Robear

Doko Demo Issho
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Doko Demo Issyo  per WP:SNOW now that the article has been created. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 02:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Doko Demo Issho → Sony Interactive Entertainment (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Does not appear in target article. ... disco spinster   talk  01:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: there's actually ongoing discussion at Articles for deletion/Toro Inoue of the possibility of turning Doko Demo Issyo (alternate spelling of the same game that is currently a redirect to the same target) into a standalone article. I'd assume if such an article is created, then Doko Demo Issho would redirect to Doko Demo Issyo. Left guide (talk) 05:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Change redirect to Doko Demo Issyo I just created the article. "Issho" is a valid alternate transliteration, so it's a valid redirect. TarkusAB talk / contrib 18:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Change redirect to Doko Demo Issyo per above.  ツ LunaEatsTuna  (💬)— 18:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Yurkey
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 30%23Yurkey