Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8

December 8
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 8, 2023.

Trivial extension
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 16%23Trivial extension

Planked boat
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 16%23Planked boat

Man Sudo
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  14:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Man Sudo → Man page (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Two potential targets: 1. Man page <- current, but no content on sudo 2. sudo <-no man page info This combined redirect is currently useless, and likely gets in the way of a reader. Better off deleting. Widefox ; talk 21:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:37, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget Sudo: If it were I'd rather retarget it as  can be used from a unix terminal to get info on the sudo command. I think the search term is significantly less likely as  as  wouldn't get you to the correct man page from a terminal; however, I think the man prefix generally meaning describe the command after it gives this just enough to not be WP:XY. Having said that, seeing it targetted currently to man page means others might not think like myself, so it's a pretty weak !vote. TartarTorte 20:55, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: Too ambiguous and unlikely a search term to allow us to decide for the reader which target page we think they should go. Just delete it and allow Wikipedia's searching take control. (pls ping me in replies) Aaron Liu (talk) 02:18, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:XY and WP:NOT Wikipedia is not an instruction manual -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 05:21, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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House of Bhonslefgt
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete (WP:G6)  . Deleted by  with rationale "Obviously created in error" (non-admin closure) TartarTorte 23:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)


 * House of Bhonslefgt → House of Bhonsle (Royal House) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

a mistake that I created SKAG123 (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Tagged for speedy deletion per criterion WP:G7 since the author has requested deletion. CycloneYoris talk! 22:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Cunt slobbering
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  23:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Cunt slobbering → Cunnilingus (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Seems like an unlikely search term Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep as an R from non-neutral name. It’s been allowed to exist since 2004, which (while not quite ‘old history’ for the purpose of that rcat) is still long enough that I would worry about the possibility of breaking external links (per K4). While it may be an unlikely search term, it has been getting some pageviews over the course of its life, and I can’t see it being particularly harmful - I can’t imagine that anyone searching for cunt slobbering would be shocked to end up at the article for Cunnilingus. In the absence of harm, redirects are generally cheap in my opinion. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  09:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, unmentioned slang. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per : "Unmentioned" = "readers either will not find the information they are attempting to locate when searching this term and/or have no idea why they were redirected to the target article when searching the term." Also, the existence of page views does not automatically mean the redirect is correct, or even helpful for that matter. Steel1943  (talk) 15:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. To me this would be ambiguous between cunnilingus, female ejaculation and vaginal discharge. As there are no reliable sources (and few other sources) for any of these meanings and it's not mentioned at any of these articles, a disambiguation page is not viable. Thryduulf (talk) 15:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Commenting For Better Reach
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 16%23Commenting For Better Reach

List of mass shootings in the United States in 2024
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per WP:G7 by . -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * List of mass shootings in the United States in 2024 → List of mass shootings in the United States (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I call for the deletion of this redirect to foster article creation. Notice how the convention (at least since 2018) is to have one list per year for American mass shootings (e.g. List of mass shootings in the United States in 2018), so it is probably better to have 2024 redlinked for now. Silcox (talk) 19:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and/or WP:TOOSOON. Thryduulf (talk) 20:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: A rather macabre example of WP:CRYSTAL. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 20:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Appears to have been G7 deleted. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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Romani people in Central Asia
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Romani diaspora. (non-admin closure)  Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 22:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Romani people in Central Asia → Lyuli (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a recently created redirect, and reading the target article it does not seem appropriate. The target article includes "Russian Roma emphasize that the Lyuli are distinct from them and not part of the Romani society and culture", "confused with European Romani". It quotes a source as saying "Uzbeks refer to them, often with contempt, as Lyuli or Gypsies, though there is scant genetic evidence linking them to the world's Roma diaspora". There is a possible link referred to regarding Turkish Roma, but the abstract of the source cited suggests that "gypsy" was used for groups that were not Roma as well, which seems in line with the article text and quoted source. CMD (talk) 05:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 17:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Romani diaspora. Jay  💬 07:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Leaning Retarget to Romani diaspora as what (on its face) appears to be a better target, though I’m also interested in the nominator’s and other !voter’s opinion of the suggestion - pinging, . Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  10:50, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If the redirect is kept, the retarget is a much better option. CMD (talk) 13:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to retarget. :) Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:31, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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Island subpage redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 02:31, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Unnecessary subpage redirect which the articles haven't been at since September 2002. In the case of the Small Isles one though its existed since July 2002 its always been a redirect. While camel case redirects are kept I don't think this is with subpage redirects.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * <span id="Orkney Islands/Hoy">Orkney Islands/Hoy → Hoy, Orkney (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Small Isles/Soay">Small Isles/Soay → Soay, Inner Hebrides (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Orkney Islands/Rousay">Orkney Islands/Rousay → Rousay (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Keep as redirects with old history - R from subpage categorises mainspace redirects into, and WP:R states that old subpage links should be kept. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  17:48, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per A smart kitten. These date from 2002 and in at least the first and last cases are also a . Thryduulf (talk) 17:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:R as very old redirects with history that are R from subpage and/or R from move. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 16:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as outlined above. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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LGBTQ+ Production of Family
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 * The result of the discussion was restore article  . Articles for deletion/LGBTQ+ Production of Family has been opened. (non-admin closure)  Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 02:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="LGBTQ+ Production of Family">LGBTQ+ Production of Family → LGBT reproduction (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Speedy deletion as a recently created, implausible redirect was denied. Unlikely search term, and the pre-redirect contents don't seem to have been used to merge anything, so no need to retain them. Fram (talk) 14:00, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Useless, name of the redirect makes no sense. "LGBTQ+ Production of Family" sounds like Family is something you can mine/farm. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as simply implausible. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 14:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Revert and send to AfD. When seeing the title I expected this to be about a theatre production or something like that. There is far too much old article content to delete it here though - that absolutely needs discussion at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 18:00, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Revert & AfD per Thryduulf. I agree that there’s too much old content here to delete at RfD. In my opinion, whether or not the historical content should be deleted is much more suited to a discussion/assessment at AfD than here - as the action to create the redirect was a WP:BLAR, there hasn’t yet been a consensus decision on the previous content. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  18:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)


 * If people insist on AfD, so be it. However, let's not exaggerate the "far too much old article content" please. The article was moved to mainspace on 4 December, with text copied (without attribution) from other articles, e.g. whole sections from Artificial insemination. Fram (talk) 18:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Wiki table
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . -- Tavix  ( talk ) 20:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Wiki table → Wikipedia:Tables (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect was targeting mainspace for the last decade since its creation, but was retargeted to the meta page today. The retarget was done by the closer of the RfD for wikitable, and the intent may have been to make this consistent with the 2-year old wikitable (without the space) redirect. wikitable had earlier been deleted as an cross-namespaced orphan, and the recent RfD ended with no consensus.

If there is no good target that covers tables associated with wikis or wiki software (which only has a one-word mention of tables), I would suggest deletion than targeting to a cross-namespace Wikipedia page. Jay 💬 10:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * How do you see Wiki table as different from Wikitable, given that Wikitable has already been discussed? -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:11, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Apart from the space, I see this RfD as different from the earlier because it was a combined discussion of wikitable and Wikipedia Tables there. Jay  💬 14:48, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is very bad. Mainspace pages on Wikipedia should not link to project pages.  The correct redirect for "wikitable" or "wiki table" is to "wikisoftware" or "wiki software".  Searching mainspace is for encyclopedic content about wikitables, wikimarkup, and wikisoftware, and not for project-specific help pages about wikitables as used on Wikipedia.  Using the space or not does not change the meaning.  Nicole Sharp (talk) 17:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 19:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 13:00, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete This does not warrant a cross-namespace redirect and isn't discussed with sufficient substance at the mainspace target. Wikitable should also have been deleted IMO. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the dab page at Table. Those searching for Wikipedia's content about tables of any kind will find the link there, those searching for information about tables on Wikipedia will find a link to the project space page there. Thryduulf (talk) 20:15, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete They may be looking for an actual topic, like which is not what the disambiguation page would cover, since "Wiki table" is not just "table" -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 05:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems very unlikley that that is notable and so is irrelevant to our decision here. In the event that it is, then it can be added to the disambiguation page when content is written. Thryduulf (talk) 20:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete - cross-namespace redirect from reader-facing content to project content; no suitable reader-facing target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Garnier fruits
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 15%23Garnier fruits

0bama
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy keep  . Procedural close, far too soon for another discussion. (non-admin closure) Cremastra (talk) 13:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)


 * 0bama → Barack Obama (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unplausible and unnecessary redirect. We don't have the redirects "Tr0mp" or "B1den" either. Also, "0bama" is never used as a slang, when you search it on Google nothing about it appears. Delete this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthParkFan2006 (talk • contribs) 10:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy close. There was consensus to keep just 2 weeks back. Jay  💬 11:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * (Speedy) Keep per arguments successfully made and consensus found in the previous deletion discussions. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  11:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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2023 Rainbow Bridge loss-of-control Bentley crash resulting in fiery explosion
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per WP:G7 by . -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * 2023 Rainbow Bridge loss-of-control Bentley crash resulting in fiery explosion → 2023 Rainbow Bridge explosion (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Proposing deletion: this redirect title is (in my opinion) too descriptive/includes too many details to be a useful search term. The target section also (at least currently) doesn’t mention the make of car; and the inclusion of loss of control in the title implies that this is what caused the crash, when (as far as I can see) that’s not yet been officially determined. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  10:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I'm usually in favour of keeping weird "alternative names" but this is just absurd. Cremastra (talk) 13:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - wildly unnecessary disambiguation, and WP:CRYSTAL per nom. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. If this wasn't created by someone with so much experience as a Wikipedian I would have assumed it was created to make a WP:POINT. Thryduulf (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Coyote (pool)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . As an unopposed deletion nomination.  Jay  💬 10:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Coyote (pool)">Coyote (pool) → Chicago (pool) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Not mentioned at target article. I have a source or two that can probably demonstrate that this is a variant of the target game, as played in Mexico, but it's unclear whether it is notable enough for its own article, or non-WP:INDISCRIMINATE enough to include in the target article, and it's not in the latter now. It will remain listed at WP:CUEGAMES as a redlink to consider looking into at some point by WP:WikiProject Cue Sports. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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W.O.T.A.N.
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus, retarget  to Wotan (disambiguation) No consensus between retargeting and deleting, consensus against the status quo. Also no consensus on where to target, retargeting to the disambiguation per NCRET In some cases, such as when editors are suggesting multiple retargeting options, it may be best to close the discussion as "no consensus, disambiguate" with the disambiguation page listing the various options as applicable. Since it wasn't really discussed, WOTAN will remain targeted to the status quo, although another editor is free to send it to RfD. (non-admin closure)  Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 06:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * W.O.T.A.N. → Odin (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Highly improbable search term with an utterly bizarre format due to the interspersed periods. No incoming traffic. TNstingray (talk) 22:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Seawolf35 (talk - email) 00:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of Doctor Who villains, to align this with WOTAN. - Eureka Lott 15:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm also fine with this retarget -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:13, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Delete or retarget? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 04:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment the target should have a redirect hatnote for WOTAN/W.O.T.A.N. to indicate the existence of wotan (disambiguation) -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 03:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget as per Eureka Lott. The name is an acronym, so the presence of the full stops shouldn't stop this from being a legitimate search term. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete is my first choice as a Google search doesn't bring anything up for the acronym. If we choose to retarget, I would suggest Wotan (disambiguation), given that the target is unclear. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Same question as last time. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 08:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The War Machines which says that WOTAN is an acronym, and provides the expansion. Hatnoting to the dab needn't be done as there is no other acronym entry at the dab. As a consequence, also retarget WOTAN. Tag as R from acronym. Jay  💬 08:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget (along with WOTAN) to The War Machines, as suggested by Jay, since that article provides more information about the subject that just the name-drop in List of Doctor Who villains. But put at the top of that article. Both acronym formats should definitely go to the same place. PS: Also update the WOTAN entry at Wotan (disambiguation).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:12, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Fast Lane(Bad Meets Evil Song)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:09, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Fast Lane(Bad Meets Evil Song)">Fast Lane(Bad Meets Evil Song) → Fast Lane (Bad Meets Evil song) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Fast Lane (Bad Meets Evil Song), is a redirect that targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely per above.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect that’s existed since 2011 (per K4), as a redirect that’s otherwise - as far as I can see - non-harmful and cheap, and as an R from move (albeit, being an R from move is potentially of less importance here as the page was moved shortly after creation). Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  12:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Over several years, consensus on redirects that have WP:RDAB issues has resulted in "delete" to a point where the WP:RDAB statement was added to the Redirects are costly essay. The following are some recent pages where I nominated multiple such redirects, each discussion which resulted in "delete":
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 28
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 22
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 20
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 16
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 14
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 6
 * ...And here are some links to group discussions I made in 2022, all resulting in "delete":
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 22
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 6
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 24
 * ...And here are some select discussions for this, which occurred between 2017–2020, also all resulting in "delete":
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 15
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 15
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 11
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 July 26
 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 May 25
 * Repeated consensus has found that these redirects are best deleted for reasons that can be read in these various discussions. This goes back to the wording for WP:RDAB being written in October 2016 and the shortcut being added in December 2016. Steel1943  (talk) 18:30, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have read through all the previous discussions you’ve linked, and I can’t see that WP:R has been referred to in any of them (either implicitly or explicitly). WP:RDAB is part of an essay (which - as far as I can see - doesn’t explain why these redirects are costly/harmful to retain), not a guideline; and the reasons I have !voted as I have in the discussions on this page are based on my assessment and balancing of the redirect guideline’s factors for keeping and factors for deleting.I have been on a de facto wikibreak for a little bit, however if I was around more in the last few weeks, I imagine I would have opposed deletion of the previous redirects for the same reason (if they had also existed for some time, as these have).After reading through comments made in previous discussions, I cannot find anything said that (with the redirect guideline in mind) makes me agree that these redirects are best deleted.In addition, any precedent developed by RfD discussions will be a more local consensus than what’s been discussed and added to the redirect guideline - and so can’t take precedent over it/override it. I’m concerned that a local consensus/multiple local consensuses to delete these redirects despite their age may have (unintentionally) been developed, given that I can’t see that K4 has been brought up before, and given it states that Links that have existed for a significant length of time...should be left alone.To address your comments under below, I can’t see how the existence of these redirects would clutter the search function, or make it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine in a way that would engage D1 (I apologise if I’m missing something here). I also can’t see how their existence obfuscates page view results for the correct title - if you’re referring to pageviews.wmcloud.org, from what I can see, all redirects do that, but the tool also contains an option to include the pageviews of redirects when examining pageviews for a target. I’m also unsure of what bots would percieve these redirects as an error, but on the face of it I would be inclined to say that this behaviour would be bugs with the bot(s) that should be fixed, rather than us deleting redirects at RfD for that reason. (Also, to be clear, this was not a premeditated attempt to reverse precedent — I !voted in the discussions on this page before I was aware that any precedent existed.)I apologise if I’ve worded any of this poorly. All the best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user:  A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  00:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC) (text inserted 12:13, 10 December 2023 (UTC))
 * No worries about not knowing this precedent, just as there's no expectation that it has to be followed by anyone, WP:CCC and all. I suppose the point I am making here is that per precedence, in spite of everything that you have just stated, there has been continuous consensus to have these redirects deleted per WP:RDAB. I believe at one pinky there has been discussion to get such redirects speedy deleted per WP:G6, but as this discussion as a good example, can't WP:G6 a page if the deletion of the page can be considered controversial. (Clarify on one point though: the "obfuscates" point, it's because sometimes, the improperly spaced redirect will show up as a choice in search results higher than the properly spaced variant.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:19, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify on that last point — do redirects show up in search results? I wasn’t aware that they do (as far as I was aware, only the target articles appeared); although I may well be missing something/misunderstanding something here. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  18:22, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Long story short, yes, redirects can appear as a selectable option when using Wikipedia's search bar and/or search option. Steel1943  (talk) 03:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * . Huh. Maybe I’m missing something then. I just created User:A smart kitten/Sandbox (disambiguation) and the redirect User:A smart kitten/Sandbox(disambiguation), and searching for the exact title of the latter only brings up the former for me in the search results. I’ll have a look in some talk page archives to see if I can find anything about this. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  08:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It can usually take up to a day for a newly-created page to appear in search results. In the future, if you are looking for a quick way to find any redirect, try any WP:RCAT category, such as Category:Redirects to disambiguation pages. Steel1943  (talk) 15:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for less than an hour in 2011.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 20:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Altrincham and Sale(UK Parliament constituency)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Altrincham and Sale(UK Parliament constituency)">Altrincham and Sale(UK Parliament constituency) → Altrincham and Sale (UK Parliament constituency) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Altrincham and Sale (UK Parliament constituency), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect that’s existed since 2010 (per K4), as a redirect that’s otherwise - as far as I can see - non-harmful and cheap, and as an R from move (albeit, being an R from move is potentially of less importance here as the page was moved shortly after creation). Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  12:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for a few hours in 2010.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:57, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 20:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Shashank(director)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Shashank(director)">Shashank(director) → Shashank (director) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Shashank (director), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect that’s existed since 2010 (per K4), as a redirect that’s otherwise - as far as I can see - non-harmful and cheap, and as an R from move (albeit, being an R from move is potentially of less importance here as the page was moved shortly after creation). Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  12:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for around 9 minutes in 2010.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 20:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Star(Mika Nakashima album)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Star(Mika Nakashima album)">Star(Mika Nakashima album) → Star (Mika Nakashima album) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Star (Mika Nakashima album), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect that’s existed since 2010 (per K4), as a redirect that’s otherwise - as far as I can see - non-harmful and cheap, and as an R from move (albeit, being an R from move is potentially of less importance here as the page was moved shortly after creation). In addition, this redirect has consistently getting pageviews (last 3 years’ pageviews, pageviews since 2015), so also keep as being useful/in use (per K5). Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  12:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was at this title for less than a day in 2010.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 20:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Third Army(Ottoman Empire)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Third Army(Ottoman Empire)">Third Army(Ottoman Empire) → Third Army (Ottoman Empire) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Third Army (Ottoman Empire), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:10, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect that’s existed since 2009 (per K4), and as a redirect that’s otherwise - as far as I can see - non-harmful and cheap. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  13:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete although its existed since 2009 its always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:09, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Newton(unit)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Newton(unit)">Newton(unit) → Newton (unit) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Newton (unit), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect that’s existed since 2009 (per K4), and as a redirect that’s otherwise - as far as I can see - non-harmful and cheap. In addition, this redirect received a spike in traffic in November 2018, suggesting that it may have been linked from an external site - also making it worth keeping (per K4) in my opinion, in the absence of any potential harm. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  13:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete although its existed since 2009 its always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:10, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Process(business)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Process(business)">Process(business) → Business process (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Process (business), is a redirect that targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 07:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect that’s existed since 2006 (per K4), and as a redirect that’s otherwise - as far as I can see - non-harmful and cheap. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  13:48, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete although its existed since 2006 its pretty much always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:11, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Data(Star Trek)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Data(Star Trek)">Data(Star Trek) → Data (Star Trek) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The version of the title with proper spacing is the target page. Steel1943 (talk) 06:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect that’s existed since 2007 (per K4), and as a redirect that’s otherwise - as far as I can see - non-harmful and cheap. In addition, this redirect received a spike in traffic in July 2016, suggesting that it may have been linked from an external site - also making it worth keeping (per K4) in my opinion, in the absence of any potential harm. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  13:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete although its existed since 2007 its always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:13, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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List of things named after King Abdullah
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to King Abdullah.  Jay  💬 10:00, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * List of things named after King Abdullah → List of things named after Saudi kings (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no primary topic for "King Abdullah". Also, there are things named after Abdullah of Pahang, Malaysia's present Yang di-Pertuan Agong (monarch). Moreover, there is also a stub list regarding things named after King Abdullah II of Jordan (which should probably be merged into our main article on the King). Either way, it is debatable whether things named after King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia should be the primary topic for the redirect. Silcox (talk) 05:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Disambig per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 18:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to King Abdullah which now includes those lists: there's no need for a separate dab page. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:22, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to King Abdullah: per SNSL. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Université station
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to List of university stations.  Jay  💬 07:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Université station">Université station → University station (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect targets a dab page titled "University station", but out of all the stations featured in that dab page, none of them is named "Université". Although there exists several Wikipedia articles that speak of stations that has "Université" in its name (e.g. Nanterre-Université station), they aren't known as "Université" alone. Silcox (talk) 05:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * There are stations with "Université" in the title listed at List of university stations. Retarget there? - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Sorry, my mistake, yes it probably should be retargeted per Presidentman. I was involved relatively heavily in editing both University station and List of university stations — probably got the two mixed up. Fork99 (talk) 21:49, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of university stations: per PM. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:07, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Cunt butter
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 07:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Cunt butter → Smegma (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not in the article. ~WikiOriginal-9~ ( talk ) 04:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, I couldn't find much about the term in the internet and Wiktionary doesn't have an entry on it too. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 07:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as just seems like an unlikely search term. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:48, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, unmentioned (and unencyclopedic) slang. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:NEO, not mentioned in target. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Process(OS)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 07:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Process(OS)">Process(OS) → Process (computing) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the extra space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Process (OS), does not exist. Steel1943 (talk) 03:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 16:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:49, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or move to Process (OS). Although its existed since 2006 its always been a redirect. Note that the full Process (operating system) exists but the acronym redirect may or may not be useful.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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Process (information system development)
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Process(isd)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 07:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Process(isd)">Process(isd) → Process (computing) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the las of space between the title and the disambiguator. Its properly-spaced variant doesn't not exist, but it probably should not anyways; per tracing through how this redirect was created, history here was moved to Process (information system development), however the subject most likely mentioned in the aforementioned redirect's disambiguator does not exist: Information system development has never existed, but Information systems development has but was deleted in 2005 for a reason that is not really clear. Steel1943 (talk) 03:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Information systems development never had any meaningful content - see . Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  11:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RDAB as an unlikely redirect. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 16:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. This redirect was created in 2006, which engages WP:R due to the amount of time it’s existed for. However, I can’t be completely sure that the redirect is harmless, due to the unclear disambiguator - as ISD could potentially stand for quite a few things as well as information system development. Having said that, though, I’m leaning towards keeping the redirect due to (a) the fact it’s existed for close to 18 years, and (b) not having much evidence/information regarding (and not having been able to determine how much, if any) potential confusion the disambiguator initialism could cause to those using the redirect. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  17:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete it was only at this title for a few days in 2006.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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Process(computing)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . Hey man im josh (talk) 13:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Process(computing)">Process(computing) → Process (computing) (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to lack of space between the title and the disambiguator. The proper title and spacing is present in the redirect's target. Steel1943 (talk) 03:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 13:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect that’s existed since 2006 (per K4), and as a redirect that’s otherwise - as far as I can see - non-harmful and cheap. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  14:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as seems harmless. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Not harmless. Linking/searching this title causes search result clutter with Wikipedia's search function, obfuscates page view results for the correct title, and is perceived as an error by some bots. (Wow, this attempt to perform WP:CCC, which I assume is unintentional here, may result in me having to create bundled nominations again after keeping them separate was the better option for a while.) Steel1943  (talk) 21:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Responded under above. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user:  A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  00:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete although its existed since 2006 its always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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2000 South Korean Census
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 16%232000 South Korean Census

Early European population statistics and censuses
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 16%23Early European population statistics and censuses

Early European population
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Track Cycling(sport)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Track Cycling(sport)">Track Cycling(sport) → Track cycling (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to lack of space between title and disambiguator. However, neither variant with proper spacing and/or capitalization changes, Track Cycling (sport) or Track cycling (sport), exist. Steel1943 (talk) 01:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This has received exactly two hits this year, so it's not helping anyone by its existence. Either of the correctly spaced alternatives would be fine if someone wants to create them, but that someone isn't going to be me (we don't need redirects from every possible title with unnecessary disambiguation, and I can't think of anything it could be ambiguous with). Thryduulf (talk) 01:40, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There is no other use for Track Cycling so a dab in not needed. Paulpat99 (talk) 03:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely, per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as an unlikely search term. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 13:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Leaning keep, due to the length of time it’s existed for (since 2012), per WP:R. It may not serve much function (as others have noted), but redirects are generally cheap, and I can’t see how the existence of this redirect would be harmful. Best, <sup style="letter-spacing:-.1em;color:#737373;font-family:monospace">user: A smart kitten <sub style="color:#b842b8;font-family:monospace">meow  13:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See my response to this at Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 8. Steel1943  (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or move to [Track Cycling (sport)]]. Although its existed since 2012 its always been a redirect.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: classic WP:RDAB. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: ROTM WP:RDAB. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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1-over-1
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * 1-over-1 → 5-over-1 (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This doesn't seem to be a particularly used phrase and this is not discussed at the article other than a 3d model of a 1-over-1 condo, but I cannot find usage of the term much in general in this context (however I possibly searched for the wrong things in WP:BEFORE). With the lack of common usage and lack of discussion in the article, this would probably be best deleted. <b style="color: #ea5a5a;">Tartar</b>Torte 01:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Only mentioned in a graphic which probably should be removed. Queen   of   Hearts ❤️  (no relation) 21:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment It should be worth noting that 2-over-1, 3-over-1, and 4-over-1 were all created at the same time, as well as probably others. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  ✗  plicit  03:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * <span id="Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?">Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? → Overwhelming exception (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is an example of a one-liner joke that makes use of this fallacy. The problem, however, is that this phrase is not ever referred to at the target article in any capacity, nor would it be a likely search term... mainly for the aspect of "what would one expect to get from typing this". There are no redirects that are similar to this, and Wikipedia does not seem like the place to type in a punchline into a search bar and have it redirect to the crux of how it works. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I can imagine someone searching for this famous example and looking it up to find out what the type of thing it is is called, so I think it is a plausible search term. However, it isn't mentioned at the target and I'm not completely convinced that it is an example of an overwhelming exception fallacy (i.e. I'm not sure it's the right target). I need to think more on this when I'm more awake. Thryduulf (talk) 01:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * PS: searching for "Mrs. Lincoln" "overwhelming exception" -Wikipedia finds only two hits, a Reddit page that doesn't seem to include either phrase, and which doesn't contain either phrase in the preview available. Thryduulf (talk) 01:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom & Thryduulf.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 14:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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