Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 18

February 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 18, 2023.

Eclipse of God
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 27%23Eclipse of God

Radical theology
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 26%23Radical theology

Nietzsche is dead
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 26%23Nietzsche is dead

Zarathustra (fictional philosopher)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 26%23Zarathustra (fictional philosopher)

TSZ
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 * The result of the discussion was deleted by creator  . (non-admin closure) Carpimaps (talk) 14:14, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * TSZ → Thus Spoke Zarathustra (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a common abbreviation. Also, Tsz seems to be used in many Chinese topics (e.g., Tsz Shan Monastery, Tsz Wan Shan, Tin Tsz). Therefore, I propose deletion. Veverve (talk) 21:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete lots of partial title matches in en.wiki. I suggest letting search do its thing instead -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not mentioned, and inhibiting Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: the creator has deleted it (see ). Veverve (talk) 10:15, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Sam Tai Tsz
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 26%23Sam Tai Tsz

Saracen Empire
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Saracen. (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 21:32, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Saracen Empire → Arab empire (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Saracen empire → Arab empire (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I am not sure if the current target is really good.

Here is what Saracen says. On the one hand, it is used to refer to Arabs, whatever their religion may be. On another hand: " The Roman Catholic Church and European Christian leaders used the term during the Middle Ages to refer to Muslims—usually Arabs, Turks, and Iranians"; so not exclusive to Arabs, but exclusive to all Muslims.

So, I do not know what to propose. Maybe those could be retargetted to Saracen, or simply be deleted. Veverve (talk) 21:30, 18 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree, redirect them to the article discussing the same peculiar term. The list at "Arab empire" also has no captions, so it's extra bad. --Joy (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Saracen. Although the term "Saracen Empire" is as likely to refer to the Seljuk Empire as the Arab Empire. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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Zoroastrianism:
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 * The result of the discussion was deleted  by . (non-admin closure)  CycloneYoris talk! 21:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Zoroastrianism: → Zoroastrianism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The ":" at the end makes this redirect unhelpful. I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:AFFINITY. It makes no more sense to have this redirect than it would to have Christianity:, Buddhism:, or Baháʼí Faith:. This title would also be a nonsensical pseudo-namespace. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 12:54, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:31, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete no plausible reason to have a redirect here. The Wordsmith Talk to me 02:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete due to implausible typo -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fad Ariff (talk) 13:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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Guebres
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Gabr. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:29, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Guebres → Zoroastrianism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at the target. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Veverve (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 *  Weak Retarget to Gabr. Geubre seems to be a synoynm but I'm not sure if geubres is a valid plural form for the word. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:49, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Changed to Retarget per Uanfala's findings -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Gabr, the OED has examples in the plural. – Uanfala (talk) 13:19, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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Pendar
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 2%23Pendar

Magianism
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 25%23Magianism

Gheber
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Gabr. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:28, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Gheber → Zoroastrianism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at the target. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Veverve (talk) 21:10, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , looking at a redirect's history can often give you clues about what it's supposed to mean. This one was created in 2006 with the edit summary mk redirect according to Webster's 1913 ed. and Richard Burton. English dictionaries  define "gheber" as denoting (modern day) followers of the religion, but I'm not sure this term is neutral, so it seems best to retarget to Gabr, of which this is clearly a variant. – Uanfala (talk) 13:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I agreee with User:Uanfala's suggestion to retarget to Gabr. It's a more direct and relevant target. --Slashme (talk) 09:27, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Majosism
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Majus. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:27, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Majosism → Zoroastrianism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mention at the target. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Veverve (talk) 21:09, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This was created as an article in 2012, and managed to exist for a day. Its content was Majosism or Majosi (Arabic: مجوسی /مجوسیت )is Arabic name for Zoroastrianism.And this name is given by Holy Quran.. The redirect should probably be retargeted to Majus, the article about the term. – Uanfala (talk) 13:36, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Majus per Uanfala. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:12, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Lauren Bernat
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . If someone really wants to restore and take it to AfD, we can do that, but it seems unlikely to lead to a different result (per Uanfala). Legoktm (talk) 23:21, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Lauren Bernat → List of Internet phenomena (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Wii Fit Girl → List of Internet phenomena (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned at the target, because the relevant paragraph was removed in 2015. See also Articles for deletion/Lauren Bernat. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 05:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 09:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 21:09, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Can be recreated if the relevant part is re-added and is appropriate. A7V2 (talk) 05:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Potentially the article in the history of Wii Fit Girl could be restored and then Lauren Bernat redirected to it, but I don't think that would be necessary, depending on whether or not WP:G4 applies. But I don't object to restoring, anyway. A7V2 (talk) 05:58, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Whether or not WP:G4 applies, I doubt the article is worth restoring. The concerns at AfD were per WP:BLP1E, which still seems to apply even if the article has been completely rewritten. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 22:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete The nomination statement makes sense, and given the BLP1E arguments present I doubt it would need to be restored. The Wordsmith Talk to me 02:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore Wii Fit Girl and let the Afd decide. If there is content that can be merged, it should be done. The deletion review that happened was for Lauren Bernat, but using the then freshly created Wii Fit Girl as an argument. The (incorrect) DRV was actually an argument to keep the vastly expanded Wii Fit Girl, rather than reversing the deletion of Lauren Bernat. Jay  💬 07:03, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Technically, the AFD/DRV results don't apply here: a BLP1E biography may be non-notable, but the event itself can have notability. However, in the linked discussions, I don't see anyone other than the page creator arguing for that. Given the time frame (the article existed for less than a day 13 years ago) and the nature of the topic (an apparently now long-forgotten viral video), I doubt anyone would argue now that the article should exist. – Uanfala (talk) 14:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
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Aryaee
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 25%23Aryaee

Ahriman and Ormuzd
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 25%23Ahriman and Ormuzd

KUTK
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was keep  . (non-admin closure) {  {ping&#124; ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 17:25, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * KUTK → Moscow Sun Yat-sen University (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Acronym doesn't appear on page Rusalkii  (talk) 04:52, 11 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 10:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment – This acronym is from a transliteration of the Russian name for the university. КУТК is used in Russian, but it seems unlikely for KUTK to be used in English. Randi Moth (talk) 07:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – I see some sources that seem to use it. Should probably be added to the article. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 22:39, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - It's a niche academic term but for that scope is used quite commonly in the academic literature, and redirects are WP:CHEAP. -- Rauisuchian (talk) 04:58, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep, mention was added by Rauisuchian. Jay  💬 12:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
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Pingshan railway station (Sichuan)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 25%23Pingshan railway station (Sichuan)

Yogi Adityanath ministry (2017–
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  .  Jay  💬 12:55, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Both are a result of a typo (unclosed parenthesis), have no incoming links and have more proper redirects Yogi Adityanath ministry (2017-) and Yogi Adityanath ministry (2017–). Gonnym (talk) 10:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <span id="Yogi Adityanath ministry (2017–">Yogi Adityanath ministry (2017– → First Yogi Adityanath ministry (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Yogi Adityanath ministry (2017-">Yogi Adityanath ministry (2017- → First Yogi Adityanath ministry (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Delete per nom. Skynxnex (talk) 13:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above: these are unnecessary redirects. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 13:01, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, not a plausible search term or any of the other valid reasons for having a redirect here. The Wordsmith Talk to me 02:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Orange Man Bad
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Donald Trump in popular culture. It's snowing! (non-admin closure) {  {ping&#124; ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 16:11, 24 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Orange Man Bad → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This phrase isn't used to describe Trump himself. The current target is not helpful, and it's unclear whether a better one exists on WP. An anonymous username, not my real name 06:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Donald Trump in popular culture, which is about the phrase. The phrase is also discussed at Public image of Donald Trump, but that section has a "main" hatnote link to the pop culture article. No other substantial treatment of the phrase at other articles. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 06:17, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree. It's a phrase used by his supporters when criticism is leveraged against him, particularly on-line, especially on Reddit. It probably shouldn't be in the Donald Trump article, but rather any of the various Trump criticism articles -- Criticism of Donald Trump 24.51.192.49 (talk) 13:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Firefangledfeathers since that better target exists. If it didn't, it'd be keep since it's a WP:V term people use for the target. Skynxnex (talk) 13:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I'm being overly pedantic in saying this, but it's really not. It's a phrase used to make fun of critics of the target. An anonymous username, not my real name  19:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above suggestion, as that article is where the term is covered. Zaathras (talk) 17:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Donald Trump in popular culture per above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:03, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Donald Trump in popular culture where this is discussed per the above. The nom is correct that the current target is unsuitable since this is not a term used to refer to Trump himself. A7V2 (talk) 00:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above, seems like the obvious solution. The Wordsmith Talk to me 02:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Donald Trump in popular culture per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Jan Huygen van Linschoten, Market of Goa, Itinerario
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 25%23Jan Huygen van Linschoten, Market of Goa, Itinerario