Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 19

February 19
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 19, 2023.

Scandal sheet
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep  and refine, with a hatnote on the target page. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Scandal sheet → Tabloid journalism (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Suggested new target: Scandal sheet (disambiguation). Please see the discussion below, which was begun on the talkpage of the redirect page. Eric talk 01:35, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello all. I picked you as my victims for this question as I saw your names appearing frequently in the history for Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation. I ran into some confusion when (after learning of the 1952 film Scandal Sheet), I ran a wp search on the string (all lowercase) "scandal sheet", which led me (via a redirect on "Scandal sheet") to Tabloid journalism. At first I wrongly concluded, with surprise, that we somehow did not have an entry for the film. When I tentatively stuck my toe in the waters of creating a new disambiguation page at Scandal sheet (disambiguation), I discovered the page already exists, and that it redirects to the disambiguation page Scandal Sheet, which lists four films by that name. Am I right in thinking that maybe Scandal sheet should redirect to Scandal sheet (disambiguation), and that that disambig page should list the tabloid journalism article, the films, and maybe to the Wiktionary entry as well (scandal sheet)? I considered trying to bring this about, but quickly concluded that I was more likely to commit a blunder than make an improvement. Any thoughts? Eric talk 04:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Gud catch! I've seen this type of problem before; it's not uncommon. Either (1) everything should be on the DAB page, or (2) there should be a hatnote on tabloid journalism. It's a question of whether the lowercase version is not or is a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT; a matter for WP:CONSENSUS. My feeling is that it is, because none of the films is well-known; so count me as !voting for option (2).
 * The Wiktionary link should indeed be added somewhere; another good catch. I'd suggest at the top of the DAB page as per MOS:WTLINK.
 * On a procedural note, I checked the links to lowercase, and they're all OK. Narky Blert (talk) 07:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with most of the above. However, I don't think many readers will seek the Tabloid journalism article by searching for "scandal sheet", so I'd be inclined to make Scandal sheet a redirect to the dab ("Scandal sheet" and "scandal sheet" are the same page: as configured here, the wiki software doesn't distinguish capitalisation for the first character of a page title). I wouldn't add a Wiktionary link: the topic is covered here on Wikipedia, so there's no need to send people elsewhere. I'm not sure about the exact meaning of the term "scandal sheet": if it's just a synonym for tabloid (as is stated in the tabloid journalism article), then we can just link to that article. If, on the the contrary, it has a different shade of meaning (as seems to be implied by the Wiktionary entry), then we can rework the information from Wiktionary into the description of the dab entry (in that case, it would be acceptable to ignore MOS:DABBLUE and have links in the description to Sensationalism and possibly Celebrity). – Uanfala (talk) 11:06, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your input! I was sure something wasn't quite right. I would say that the term "scandal sheet" is in much less common use now than it was during the era the first three movies were made, and so I might speculate that the majority of searchers on that term would not necessarily have term definition as their primary goal. Eric talk 14:41, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , good catch, and good comments. The only thing I'd add, is to consider raising this issue at WP:Redirects for discussion, where you'd get a wider audience. If you do, you could top it with a Discussion moved from template linking this page, and add a Discussion moved to below, linking the new one. Mathglot (talk) 01:15, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hatnote it. Scandal sheets (tabloid journalism) are the primary topic of lower-case "scandal sheet". — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:55, 10 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 16:32, 22 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Regards, SONIC 678 16:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. How is the primary topic determined? See my last comment in the initial discussion above. Eric talk 22:56, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Procedural relist to clear an old RfD log page. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure about this. Most of the Google news results are for the journalism term, an indication that it is still in use, but results on the first page of web search are all for the 1952 film, and book search results are mixed. The 1952 film has most page views of anything with this title, but there seems to be no correlation with the views for the lowercase term.(https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=last-year&pages=Scandal_Sheet_(1952_film)|Scandal_Sheet_(1931_film)|Scandal_Sheet_(1939_film)|Scandal_Sheet_(1985_film)|Scandal_sheet|Scandal_Sheet). Scandal sheet and tabloid journalism are not identical topics (a scandal sheet contains tabloid journalism), so I created a redirect Scandal sheet (journalism). Possibly redirect Scandal sheet to the disambiguation page for now. Peter James (talk) 18:51, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and use a hatnote to the disambiguation page Scandal Sheet. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:19, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Refine and move hatnote to Tabloid journalism. Jay  💬 11:50, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Bigun
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 * The result of the discussion was Soft redirect to Wiktionary  . The late side discussion about the Big'uns and Big 'Uns redirects could continue as a separate discussion if need be. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Bigun → Lord of the Flies (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Biguns → Lord of the Flies (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article. Seems like a plot point in target article's subject, but without definition in the target article, readers could be scratching their heads wondering why they were redirected here. In addition, search results for the term "Bigun" (Search results) return quite a few articles using this term that are not related to the target article. (Apparently, "Bigun" is a surname for several people.) In addition, the Wiktionary page bigun exists. Steel1943 (talk) 20:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 04:50, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Delete or soft redirect? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 21:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, while it is the surname of quite a few different people none of them have any signficant mention in an article as far as I can tell. Thryduulf (talk) 15:33, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no objection at all to a soft redirect to Wiktionary although it is, very slightly, my second preference to deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 19:00, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak Soft Redirect to bigun, although deleting is also a good option. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 18:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Soft Redirect to bigun, seems to be the best option per above's discussion. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:13, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: biguns exists as well. Steel1943  (talk) 17:28, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm fine if "Biguns" redirects there -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:41, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 23:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that we also have Big'uns which is a redirect to Al Bundy. Big 'Uns is also a photographic work of Dayna Danger. So if either of those is made a dab, biguns can retarget to it, and the dab can have the wikt entry as well. Jay  💬 16:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I just created redirect Big 'Uns. I struck off my above vote as I don't think the Al Bundy redirect is required. Just one minor mention of Big'uns as a (fictional?) magazine of a fictional character. I would prefer Big'uns to share the same fate of Biguns. Jay  💬 14:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate per Jay signed,Rosguill talk 03:38, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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Imal Liyanage (cricketer, born 1977)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 28%23Imal Liyanage (cricketer, born 1977)

Old timers disease
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 26%23Old timers disease

Intrauterine
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 26%23Intrauterine

Masqued ball
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Masquerade ball. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 14:46, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Masqued ball → Masked Ball (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in this film. Retarget to Masquerade ball since Masked ball redirects to it. 176.88.80.31 (talk) 14:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Masquerade ball consistent with Masked ball. 16:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Masquerade ball per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:45, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
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A list of Visigothic Kings
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was delete  . signed,Rosguill talk 19:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


 * A list of Visigothic Kings → Visigothic Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

We never have "A list of" sort of titles and the redirect List of Visigothic Kings already exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: For an opinion on the content in the page history. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 13:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Srnec (talk) 21:39, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: There are actually quite a few such redirects, many of which are rather bizarre search terms on top of that. Thoughts? An anonymous username, not my real name  16:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Once nominated I'd vote to delete all, in the spirit of the essay WP:COSTLY. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:15, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "quite a few" = ~38 – wbm1058 (talk) 22:04, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keeping redirects with articles infront of it would set a bad precedent for all future redirects Delete Carpimaps (talk) 14:11, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Deaf ethnicity
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 26%23Deaf ethnicity

2701
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget and delete.


 * Retarget 2701 to IBM 270x
 * Retarget 2707 to Boeing 2707
 * Delete 2789
 * Delete 2794
 * Delete 2798
 * Delete 2799
 * Retarget 2800 to 2000 (number) Legoktm (talk) 23:24, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2701 → 3rd millennium (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 2707 → 3rd millennium (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 2789 → 3rd millennium (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 2794 → 3rd millennium (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 2798 → 3rd millennium (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 2799 → 3rd millennium (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 2800 → 3rd millennium (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget 2707 to Boeing 2707 and delete all others. The 28th century section in 3rd millennium contains nothing. 176.88.83.247 (talk) 18:41, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Retarget 2707 to Boeing 2707 and delete the others per nom unless other suitable targets can be found. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 19:26, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Making a clearer !vote below. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:43, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * A7V2 (talk) 05:28, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Making clearer !vote below. A7V2 (talk) 00:18, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget 2707 to Boeing 2707 and possibly 2701 to IBM 270x (I'm not sure if this is related), delete the others.  141 Pr  {{{sup|contribs}}/Best page} 19:25, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: There is a differring opinion for 2701 and 2800. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay  💬 09:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget 2800 to 2000 (number), as the subsections are in groups of 100. HotdogPi 16:32, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Other possibilities: Retarget 2701 to IBM 270x and 2800 to 2000 (number). 176.88.80.31 (talk) 14:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget 2701 to IBM 270x, 2707 to Boeing 2707, 2800 to 2000 (number) (the directly relevant section), and delete the rest unless suitable targets are found (and no prejudice against recreating for such suitable targets). A7V2 (talk) 00:18, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget and delete exactly per A7V2. InterstellarGamer12321 ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 09:43, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Pathaan
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 26%23Pathaan

Landing platform vessel
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 26%23Landing platform vessel

Colonial building
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;"> Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget  to Colonial architecture. (non-admin closure)  <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 00:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Colonial building → American colonial architecture (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Colonial Building; a much more probable intended target for this rather specific search term than a broad style of architecture. An anonymous username, not my real name 00:03, 12 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The current redirect's search case seems to be as 'Colonial' building style, and not as the proper noun landmark, so oppose on those grounds, but support adding hatnote to disambiguate. BhamBoi (talk) 08:23, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Retarget to Colonial architecture or to Colonial Building? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:blue; text-shadow:cyan 0.0em 0.0em 0.1em;">CycloneYoris</b> <b style="color:purple">talk!</b> 01:52, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Colonial architecture as a more broad article on the various colonial building styles. Per WP:SMALLDIFFS, it makes sense to separate the building called "Colonial Building" with the more general colonial building style. Randi Moth (talk) 17:09, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Colonial architecture per Randi Moth and WP:DIFFCAPS, and then add a hatnote to the Colonial architecture article. - Eureka Lott 18:13, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Colonial architecture as proposed. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:37, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Colonial architecture per Randi Moth and add hatnote to Colonial Building. A7V2 (talk) 05:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Colonial Building and let people follow the hatnote I've just put there. Drapetomanic (talk) 18:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Retarget to Colonial architecture with hatnote pointing to Colonial Building. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:41, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Colonial architecture with hatnote pointing to Colonial Building, per others, and noting WP:SMALLDETAILS. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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List of terms for white people in non-Western cultures
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 27%23List of terms for white people in non-Western cultures